Air 2 or Surface 3

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@kobamoto said:
i certainly don't hate apple, just hate that they're streamlining obstacles over streamlining solutions on ios.

Maybe hate was too strong a word, but I don't like them at the moment. Sure I appreciate the iPad, my iPhone and Macbook Pro - but I don't like the way the company is going regarding treatment of it's customers when they need support. Good support is 50% of the deal for me - without it, and without access to refunds you have to keep your fingers crossed your purchases are going to work as they're supposed to.

@mkell424 said:
I'm not a pro but the music made by the people on this forum sounds professional to me. It's very high quality. I think music app development in iOS is great. Plus I'd rather use a touch screen than being hunched over a keyboard staring into a monitor.

I define 'professional' as someone who makes money from what they do, or has qualifications in a particular activity. That's not to say there are amateurs out there, and on here, that aren't producing better music than those 'in the business'.

So in the context of this thread and my comments, using the term 'professional' means they should invest in the best tools they can. If I was a professional musician I'd have an iPad for sketching ideas (and creating sounds too) and a desktop/laptop setup for recording and live performances.

JohnnyGoodyear

@kobamoto said:
not saying that we shouldn't think about cost, you and me will go down in history as the last people to get cyclops cause of the cost but the fact is that the people considering the other tablets are iPad users just like us so all things being considered the iPads direct competitor is a tablet pc that runs desktop software that cost allot more than iPad apps.

YOU ARE NOT THE ONLY LAST PEOPLES I AM ALSO AND IT BURNS ME SO VERY MUCH IT DOES STILL.

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@JohnnyGoodyear said:
YOU ARE NOT THE ONLY LAST PEOPLES I AM ALSO AND IT BURNS ME SO VERY MUCH IT DOES STILL.

I won't be getting it, not this month at least after my massive Korg splurge. The bug reports cheer me up though.

JohnnyGoodyear

@monzo We need a little club, rocking back and forth in the dark, mumbling. Although I have been consoling myself with Matt's bass trick and the synbase 3 from iM1. Oh, and also by doubling bass tracks through bias and so forth.

All my own fault for thinking of doing some kind of E-dance-rap number for June's SOTMC (Comfort zone? Good morning!), but this was before all the chat in THAT thread made me realize I was surely just a faker.

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@JohnnyGoodyear said:
thinking of doing some kind of E-dance-rap number for June's SOTMC

JohnnyGoodyear

@monzo said:

Brilliant. I've only seen snippets of Mister Lee. Left Blighty long before he was a thing so am untainted as to whether he's thought to be funny, was thought to be funny but became too popular, is too left, too right, too whatever. Just seems funny.

Bang!

OK, you've put me right off. Plan B.

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@JohnnyGoodyear said:
OK, you've put me right off. Plan B.

He's very clever - there's a lot of depth to his stuff. I was trying to find his 'rappers' sketch on the Youtube but they've taken it down. It's about ten minutes long and is an example of his use of repetition. Some wag then took the sketch and looped it for two hours - it took me about 30 minutes before I cottoned on...

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He's known for saying that when people who'd seen him live were asked if he'd been funny, they said 'no, but I agreed the f#ck out of it'

This is my favourite sketch:

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...'shed's a tear as he puts his iPad Air 2 on eBay'.....such a marvel of engineering she is...

firejan82

Why would you do that? There's nothing like Animoog, WerkBench, Samplr, Borderlands or ThumbJam on Surface. How could you give those up?

Carnbot

@monzo said:

He's known for saying that when people who'd seen him live were asked if he'd been funny, they said 'no, but I agreed the f#ck out of it'

This is my favourite sketch:

He's great saw him at the bar at a Wooden Shjips gig once in Kings Cross. His Top gear rant was a good one...

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@firejan82 said:
Why would you do that? There's nothing like Animoog, WerkBench, Samplr, Borderlands or ThumbJam on Surface. How could you give those up?

My plan is to get an iPad mini further down the road....that's how I managed to convince myself so far...

firejan82

I see. I think even with a Surface Pro I would start missing some of these apps pretty soon.

JohnnyGoodyear

@monzo said:
He's known for saying that when people who'd seen him live were asked if he'd been funny, they said 'no, but I agreed the f#ck out of it'

This is my favourite sketch:

Just spent a very entertaining hour hopping from one Lee YT piece to the next. His eviscerating of Richard Littlejohn was Lenny Bruce mean (good). Sometimes I miss England.

animal

@monzo: thanks for pointing me to Stewart Lee, I didn't know him and am happy to have this changed.

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Apologies for de-threading, non-Stewart Lee fans can skip this post ~

@JohnnyGoodyear said:

I'd recommend the BBC series DVD's, his books are good too.

@animal said:
monzo: thanks for pointing me to Stewart Lee, I didn't know him and am happy to have this changed.

He's a real 'marmite' love him/hate him comic - half if my friends are SL obsessives while the other half can't stand him.

Missed out on a SL gig a friend of mine put on in a tiny village hall in Devon a couple of months ago - he's a mate of SL's so talked him into playing in front of 50 people in between his theatre tour. He reserved tickets for me but I couldn't go as I'd just sold my camper.

@Carnbot said:

Yeah I saw him in Malvern a couple of years ago - cracking show, and he's much angrier than on telly. Like an enraged Jack Duckworth.

kobamoto

so the surface pro gets hot right, so how far can one get with the surface 3?

mkell424

@kobamoto I have to mention iConentivity possibility.

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Just to give you a basic idea of what Surface Pro 3 i5 can run whilst just getting warm...no fan yet..64bit...CPU 20% RAM 35%

Ableton Live
Z3TA+2
Alchemy Player x 2
Fab Filter Pro L x 4 (over sampling x4 / dither 24bits / look ahead 5ms)
Fab Filter Pro C
Fab Filter Pro G (over sampling x 4 / look ahead 10ms)
Fab Filter Timeless

4 Audio tracks with loops

Ableton Fx:
Autopan
Auto filter x 2
Reverb

kobamoto

thanks Dave, I think the pro isn't an option for me as I want a smaller form factor, hence my interest in the surface 3.

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Ahh...just re-read..

This may help if you haven't seen it...

studs1966

This bloke is funny & down to earth. He does good vids

kobamoto

yeah he's good

kobamoto

if it's not one thing it's another right.... seems like I want the power of the pro, but in the size of the non pro.. sigh , I guess we are inching closer and closer though.

studs1966

Definitely the pro is a better. Or wait for when Surface 4 Pro come out? Maybe the S3 Pro will be a bit more cheaper? Mind you, for the money you pay for the Surface, you can get a very powerful Lappie. But this subject is about iPads/windows Surface, nothing else.

Proto

Latency?

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interesting blog...

http://www.bhphotovideo.com/explora/audio/hands-review/audio-mixing-surface-pro-3-tablet

BiancaNeve

Wait for the air3 surface 4 comparison?

Personally I have a 10 inch touchscreen netbook which runs live and cubase elements fine BUT I can't really read anything on the screen terribly well, so till the developers make tablet friendly interfaces it will continue to gather dust. I would have the same problem with the surface so will stick to my trusty IPad for now .........

knewspeak

Thanks @DaveMagoo, always watch Molten Vids, Norfolk 'n' Good!

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@BiancaNeve said:
Wait for the air3 surface 4 comparison?

Personally I have a 10 inch touchscreen netbook which runs live and cubase elements fine BUT I can't really read anything on the screen terribly well, so till the developers make tablet friendly interfaces it will continue to gather dust. I would have the same problem with the surface so will stick to my trusty IPad for now .........

I suppose it depends how close you are to the screen really in terms of what detail you can see...

I do look forward to something with the incredible design of the iPad Air 2 but the power and compatibility of the surface pro....

I hope iPad pro delivers that