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I'd like it if the phrase vocoder could start from the current song pattern
Ie if I have used up 10 syllables in the 1st pattern in the song, then while I'm editing the 2nd pattern it would start from the 12th
@monzo
Well, the beta-phase 2 party is over,
it costs 10700 * 2 eyeballs to finish the tasks on Ab forum at this moment
the rest depends on Waldorf
A year ago I'd bought this app without a doubt. I guess I have reached a point, with some others, where we begin to be a little more critical towards new apps.
IMO this is a healthy attitude and I think that it only makes apps better in the end.
You have to be careful now, with Apple's new no-refund policy - if you buy an app and it doesn't work as advertised, and you've had a refund in the past for another app they won't give you a refund for the new faulty one (unless you put up a very big fight). The plus side is that you'll see more of an accurate reflection of user feedback on the app store - refunded purchasers comments are removed, so with more customers stuck with problem apps you're going to see the whole story. There's going to be a lot more caution from buyers now, and a lot of fences being sat on.
I was initially very excited by this app - perfect Friday night mucking about fodder - but with basic features missing (such as looping) and disappearing sound (Doug's vid), I think I'd have ended up just getting annoyed with it too and I'm glad I held out.
Yep - they've had a pretty good free bug testing session on here, and been provided with some useful feedback on what's missing, and what would make the app even better. Let's see if they come up with the goods.
I personally think the sound disappearing thing is due to new hands on this app! because too many controls need to take care.
Long sustained notes will always cause problems in a 'pattern based' system.
The line between 'synth' and 'beatbox' is very blurred in Attack as it is very capable of creating other types of sounds besides percussion. (I'm still wishing that some Stroke-Machine-Type features would be implemented with cleaner UI, like custom modulatable synth-wave and flexible modulation routings to just about any parameter).
Considering that Attack can trigger multiple notes per step it would be a natural extension to give each track a proper piano-roll for easier editing.
This new 'Piano-Roll' could also seamlessly view the patterns making it easy to draw and edit notes than span across pattern boundaries. (This is something I've also requested from Korg regarding Gadget, ie. seamless editing across the scenes).
Looks like the new ideas will never stop flowing , maybe I should keep my mind constraned haha
@Samu
http://forum.audiob.us/discussion/comment/139550/#Comment_139550
This is serious problem for me! Can you try it and inform them, please!
I can not play Waldorf Attach anymore, losing my steam!
I got around this a little by halving the tempo and delaying a duplicate track by 50% so effectively having 32 steps or two bars. Longer patterns would be much better than having a work around though as you have to do this for every new pattern.
I had this thought too when I eventually figured out that you could change the pitch. Trouble is the UI is pretty busy/full already.
Hi guys, you better not suggest Waldorf such big engineering tasks! They won't have the time, cost, possibilites to fix this! If that is the case, You just wait and go for Auria Pro, please!
Good trick but at a loss of resolution.
Is that true? I thought they just removed the 2 weeks no questions asked thing.
Not so, the 50% delayed track gives me notes in between. It just means you have to duplicate a track to get that resolution
@Jocphone Sure the UI is crowded, but there is nothing stopping Waldorf from copying how for example stroke-machine does it, when switching to the 'Piano Roll' the grid is simply 'replaced' with the piano-roll.
Also the 'Piano-Roll' could have an option to turn of the grid-snap, this way the 'time' parameter could be edited by moving the step, instead of using the 'arrows'.
@Kaikoo We already have our 'Waldorf' developer here showing a lot of interest in our ides so it doesn't hurt to mention him in the thread where you have ideas and suggestions. I have no more power over what gets implemented than any other person here
I feel that those ideas here that make sense and are not too 'out of this world' will most likely be considered, evaluated and hopefully implemented by @Christian
Smart developers never say a feature is missing not considered or implemented, Instead they just say something in the lines of 'we have considered that and it will be available in the next version(s)'.
We are after all doing 'Brain Storming & Feature Suggestions' for free
Nothing is as important to a developer than customer feedback and suggestions...
Well, after a weekend of fiddling, cussing and getting nothing but 3 samples out of it to import to Bilbao (after those initial 3, for some reason it would no longer export anything) Attack has been deleted.
After years of dealing with Blofeld bugs and 3 of those units dying on me, I only have myself to blame for thinking that Waldorf could ever pull this one off first time around! To all those on the fence, I honestly cannot recommend at this stage.
Where is our @Christian ?
In one sense you can already do this if you use an external midi sequencer with a piano roll (with up to 16 tracks anyway). Each track can then have it's own piano roll if you use with Genome/Pro Midi/Multitrackstudio for example. It would be nice to have the option in app, well maybe one day
Once the midi features become more fully formed with midi learn/sync etc this will open up many different ways of working with Attack, one of the reasons it's got so much potential, so external hardware and software can let you work in different ways.
I'm finding the midi is more developed than it first appears. it seems that in eg MTS in the piano roll at the very bottom from C0 you can trigger all the instruments and then from around C2 you have your selected instrument (if you are on channel 1) spread out across the notes, this then changes for each channel to the next instrument (as Christian mentioned depending on which track you have selected in Attack).
Haven't exported any audio yet so haven't yet experienced that problem above. Hafta say though that haven't had any audio silence problems like Doug and I've been using it for the last 2 days.
Will test exporting next too.....
No - I bought an app (not music) a while back and it didn't work - completely borked, backed up by other customers saying the same thing (I only discovered this by trawling the web afterwards). Spent over three weeks with countless emails, 'problem reports' and support requests but their bottom line was that I'd accepted their terms before downloading, and they don't refund downloaded apps. They seem to apply this rule to EU customers after they've had refunds for an undisclosed number of apps. Since I've only had a few refunds over the past four years despite spending thousands on their store, and those for apps that didn't work, I thought it was a bit unfair in my case.
In the end I asked them to confirm in writing that they were not going to provide me with a refund for an item I'd purchased on their website, that didn't work. They replied saying they'd make an 'exception' in my case and gave me my money back.
My app buying now is probably a fifth of what it was, as I have to be 100% sure I'm buying something that works as advertised.
@monzo That's not right. Good move, asking them to confirm it in writing.
Someone here predicted that this thread would rapidly have a lot of comments when Attack came out. I am guessing they had no idea how many of them would be complaints. Staying on the fence until things look quite a bit better still ,considering the large ammount of displeasure I am seeing not just here but elsewhere on the web as well.
Off Topic:
The refunds I've asked for in the past have all been approved immediately/automatically. I asked for 1 refund since the new policies took place, that one got rejected, had to send a message and got one of those really scary super-duper nice Apple responses, how much I was valued as a customer, they would sacrifice goats in my name, and so on, oh and also got the refund I asked for.
Within 10 day bought 2 music apps, hasn't got any receipt from Apple email. Don't know why!
Sometimes I get the receipts on the same day, sometimes it takes a week or so.
If I want a refund immediately and haven't gotten the receipt, I use iTunes on the PC, click on the purchase and "report a problem"
Hehe, they force us to use pc or mac in such case, what a great design! Ya, I knew, I really don't want PC turned on. Already have enough stress from Waldorf!
That's what I thought. Before they introduced the 2 weeks no questions asked thing I refunded thrice and it went smooth all 3 times. I would think it's the same now as long as I have a valid reason there should be no issues.
so how do you guys compare the sound quality to Seekbeats?
Seekbeats is too limited on sounds. not much you can do with Seekbeats!
Seekbeats's drum sound definitely the best! only drums!
...or Elastic Drums for that matter.Which one makes the thickest kicks for electronic dance music?
of course seekbeats
It was always smooth for me, but now I get the terms acceptance pop-up, and removes my customer rights as soon as I click download. Which is nonsense obviously as you don't know - particularly with a new app and little store feedback - if an app is actually going to work for you until you download it.
Not such an issue now as I'm on an Air 2 -but when I was on the iPad 2 I found a lot of apps didn't work on it - even though it was listed as being supported on the store page.