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Petition for Korg re gadget?

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  • edited June 2015

    @ChrisG said:

    I’ve survived a couple of years over in Oz when I was a teenager in the ’70s. The street that my relatives out there lived in is almost identical to the street I live in here in London’s docklands, and by all accounts, almost identical to any street anyone else I’ve met lives in, anywhere else in the world. Then again, I was in Melbourne, you know, the civilised part.

  • Congrats on making out alive. I guess being in a big city helps a little. But...nope, not taking any chances. Maybe I'll try my luck when I'm past the 75 year old mark or something tho, we'll see...

  • Where's the poll then??

  • edited June 2015

    I take it @Matt_Fletcher_2000 was going to sort this out ? I would imagine it's a fair bit of work to read through this thread and to come up with the 'big three'.

  • @touchconspiracy and @Igneous1 my idea was to wait until, end of tomorrow for people to post suggestions here.

    Then i'll try to edit as many of them as makes sense into options in the poll.

    There's gonna be a certain degree of editing though - I hope people understand that - cos we're looking for a big 3...

    If one person only has suggested something, not seconded by anyone else - then that probably won't make it in to the shortlist.

  • Cheers for doing this Matt.

    While there's still time I have a last +1 for the Bilbao clicking issue - needing an attack envelope control.

  • Cool, eq per channel is a cert I think

    Not sure what bloody fuss about undo is...there are ways to delete notes, uno automations etc already. So that space could be used for something fancy!

    Anyway, here's me talking like Korg will definatly submit to our needs..they might be coding more gadgets for all we know..

    @Matt_Fletcher_2000 said:
    touchconspiracy and Igneous1 my idea was to wait until, end of tomorrow for people to post suggestions here.

    Then i'll try to edit as many of them as makes sense into options in the poll.

    There's gonna be a certain degree of editing though - I hope people understand that - cos we're looking for a big 3...

    If one person only has suggested something, not seconded by anyone else - then that probably won't make it in to the shortlist.

  • Oh yes, good point- Attack AND reverse in Bilbao..

    @Igneous1 said:
    Cheers for doing this Matt.

    While there's still time I have a last +1 for the Bilbao clicking issue - needing an attack envelope control.

  • Great thread!
    1 audio tracks
    2 AU host
    3 more FX (although no.2 should take care of that, so...)
    3a Undo.

  • Hmm... Could someone make a video with the 'clicking' issues in Bilbao?

    I've not had a single problem with it with any of my 'home-made' samples. Then again I'm extremely picky when I trim and make my samples.(That's why I want sample-accurate editing in every app I use). I do 'automate' the start parameter a lot.

    For the sounds I trim in AudioShare I always use the 0.1ms fade in/out, and those rare times I trim sounds in AudioCopy i also use Fade In/out.

    I do however agree that at least a ASR-Envelope per Pad would be a welcome addition to Bilbao.
    But ultimately I'd rather see a fully featured 'Sampler' in Gadget.(Yes, Including SoundFont support).

  • I wouldn't be surprised if Korg's lawyers block audio tracks and samples longer than 5 seconds for as long as there's a Gadget Cloud.

  • @Samu said:
    Hmm... Could someone make a video with the 'clicking' issues in Bilbao?

    I've not had a single problem with it with any of my 'home-made' samples. Then again I'm extremely picky when I trim and make my samples.(That's why I want sample-accurate editing in every app I use). I do 'automate' the start parameter a lot.

    For the sounds I trim in AudioShare I always use the 0.1ms fade in/out, and those rare times I trim sounds in AudioCopy i also use Fade In/out.

    I do however agree that at least a ASR-Envelope per Pad would be a welcome addition to Bilbao.
    But ultimately I'd rather see a fully featured 'Sampler' in Gadget.(Yes, Including SoundFont support).

    It's not a click when playing the sample once. It;s not to do with the start and end of the sample really. It;s the fact that if you hit the same sample pad very quickly the second play of the sample interrupts the end of the first play of the sample and can produce a click. It's impossible to hear with short closed hi hats - but if you have a long bass sample you'll hear it really clearly if you repeatedly trigger the same sample.

    The work around is just to have 2 identical samples and alternate between them.

    I agree it's a glitch and it should be fixed - but to me (just my opinion) this isn't really "BIG 3" material - since there's a work around. You'll only notice it in certain circumstances anyway.

  • While i think adopting whatever AU protocols turn up in the future is certainly something they should do (who's going to disagree with that) - do we really want to include this in a 'BIG 3 CHANGES' that we're kind of strongly nudging them to do asap. I mean in terms of AU stuff no one knows:

    • when exactly this is coming
    • what exactly it will allow for
    • whether they plan to do this anyway

    Seems to me like it's a bit disconnected from a campaign to try to get them to address 3 core issues now... (?)

  • @Matt_Fletcher_2000 said:
    I agree it's a glitch and it should be fixed - but to me (just my opinion) this isn't really "BIG 3" material - since there's a work around. You'll only notice it in certain circumstances anyway.

    I don't notice it on most drum loops, but do notice it if I try to import a bass loop, guitar chord strums, or melodic synth lines. Every once in a while I'll get lucky and the clicking will be barely noticeable, but more often than not. Should be noted that I often drag the chop markers in Abu to the right so I'm left with my loop cut into only several sections instead of the usual 16...
    I'll try your idea of setting up 2 Abu's with the same sample and alternating - thanks!

  • @Matt_Fletcher_2000
    Agreed about AU. Let Korg 'fix' the present first. Then we look at the future :)

  • edited June 2015

    @Matt_Fletcher_2000 said:
    I agree it's a glitch and it should be fixed

    If it's just a bug fix it definitely shouldn't be part of the big 3. Bug fixes are different beasts to actual missing features.

  • edited June 2015

    @Halftone said:
    I'll try your idea of setting up 2 Abu's with the same sample and alternating - thanks!

    Or... if your sample (e.g. 3 guitar plucks) is less than 5 seconds, then you can double it (i.e. repeat it) in an audio editor (e.g. Hoksai) and bring it into 1 Abu instance. You then have the 3 plucks on pads 1, 2 and 3. Then the 3 plucks again on pads 4, 5, and 6... And you can play repeated notes by alternating within the same Gadget / piano roll - which is a lot easier.

    Hope that makes sense.

    I've done it before with 8 notes of an octave - then the 8 notes repeated again. As long as the note sounds are short enough.

  • Are u on soundcloud Samuel. I'm curious to hear your workl

    @Samu said:
    Hmm... Could someone make a video with the 'clicking' issues in Bilbao?

    I've not had a single problem with it with any of my 'home-made' samples. Then again I'm extremely picky when I trim and make my samples.(That's why I want sample-accurate editing in every app I use). I do 'automate' the start parameter a lot.

    For the sounds I trim in AudioShare I always use the 0.1ms fade in/out, and those rare times I trim sounds in AudioCopy i also use Fade In/out.

    I do however agree that at least a ASR-Envelope per Pad would be a welcome addition to Bilbao.
    But ultimately I'd rather see a fully featured 'Sampler' in Gadget.(Yes, Including SoundFont support).

  • Here are my priorities in no particular order:

    Undo

    Full multichannel Midi in/out

    Midi file import

    Track renaming so that when stems are exported you can tell which they are

    Normal pinch/zoom/swipe navigation, not limited to that little timeline strip at the top

    More piano roll and midi editing features, such as humanize (take a look at the proposed midi capabilites of the (some day) upcoming Auria Pro.)

    Loop points, or even just the ability to start anywhere but beat 1 of measure 1

    I may be the only person here that doesn't care about effects or audio In Gadget, because I don't really think of Gadget as a full production studio. I use it more as a spontaneous creative instrumental environment and am (cue clumsy metaphore) more interested in sharpening the chisel rather than adding a srewdriver and wrench to it.

    With all that being said, I'll gladly accept any additions or improvements they choose to make.

  • @touchconspiracy Nothing on sound cloud yet. I'll have to find time to finish something worth uploading which is quite hard since I'm not really a composer (most of the things end up being ~16-bar doodle things). I do like to create sounds and loops and dig deep into apps and honestly I'm mostly interested in the technical & geeky side of things when it comes to sound and sound creation. But rest assured, once I feel something is worth uploading for the public to hear I'll do that...

  • @solador78 said:
    I wouldn't be surprised if Korg's lawyers block audio tracks and samples longer than 5 seconds for as long as there's a Gadget Cloud.

    That's an interesting comment that I'm not sure I understand. Can you expand on that a bit?

  • I've often wondered if the 5 seconds was a legal thing, rather than technical. It's amazing how many little pieces I make which -even with the most stringent cutting- fall into the 6 to 7 second range. Grrrr.

  • I think we need to change this to 3 categories. 1. Bugs. 2. Improvements to the current system(s). 3. New cool stuff. And then set a limit at about 99 things. (I can compile the whole thing after(?!)

  • @mrufino1 said:
    That's an interesting comment that I'm not sure I understand. Can you expand on that a bit?

    Lawyers are paranoid folk who worry about 12 year olds taping the latest Wham single off the radio and "remixing" it in Gadget, before sharing it on the cloud with all of their pirate friends.

  • edited June 2015

    Has someone here mentioned Gadget effects (with ability to route audio from other tracks/Audiobus and best possible file importing options available)?

    What was that quote from Spielberg's masterpiece? "I want to be a real DAW"? Or is "We're gonna need a bigger app" more appropriate?

    I feel like with firmware/app upgrade wishlisticles, I just end up wanting the thing to be as much like Ableton Live (and by extension, Max for Live) as possible, especially when we're talking about an all-in-the-box creature. It comforts me that Gadget already has Ableton project export and Ableton-inspired scene architecture. I could hardly recommend a better template for inventing and implementing new Gadget bits than calling on inspiration from Korg's software/hardware legacy and Ableton.

  • @solador78 said:
    Lawyers are paranoid folk who worry about 12 year olds taping the latest Wham single off the radio and "remixing" it in Gadget, before sharing it on the cloud with all of their pirate friends.

    Ah, gotcha. The new wham single is excellent by the way.

  • @mrufino1 said Wham.

    Nice! I've been thinking about the new Wham single ever since solador78 mentioned it!

  • Hey guys, I misspelled Wham! and it's been bothering me all day!

  • Bow Wow Wow- C30 C60 C90 Go - southampton - the brook 19/4/2012

    Home Taping Is Skill In Music

  • I'm a bit late to the party, but I'd like to see:

    1. Dedicated FX gadgets covering the basic toolset: EQ, dynamics {gate, compressor, limiter}, modulation {chorus, flanger, phaser}, delay, distortion/overdrive/bit-crush/amp sim, reverb and filters would be a good start. These would be independent devices that could patched to the new inserts and sends added to each channel.

    2. Multi-track audio in and out

    3. Micro-fades on sample import

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