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Ben if you're listening do you have any idea for the time frame on the sample auditioning issue?
I'm listening, but I can't promise a time frame! First, I need to get some bugs taken care of. Hopefully that version (1.0.4) will be up within a month. But I don't know at this point whether all the bugs will be easy or not. Once that's taken care of, I'll figure out the most pressing features to add (sample preview is one, audio export another) and work on those for version 1.1. That's my plan, but things change and sometimes "easy" features take longer than expected. I hope that helps
yes very much so.... and thank you for creating this app.
Greatly appreciated. I don't know where you're located exactly but I'm pretty sure we could figure out a succession of free coffee for you if'n it'd help
First time I put Patterning on an audio track, cubist drum track panned one way, the patterning track on the other side. Sync doesn't waver at all. Just tried it again with Patterning listening to the clock sync, placed on a midi track. Again it syncs perfectly. Didn't really have to do anything. It does take a bar or so to catch up at the start but that can just be a click intro.
Thanks for keeping us updated.
I just had a mini brainwave...
I wish Patterning sent some Midi CCs so I could modulate some params on the drums/sounds i'm sending it's midi to (in Gadget) - but it doesn't.
However - it does send pitched notes per instrument (if you check this in its midi out page).
So (I need to look it up) but that's 127 values there I think... I'd just need to run those note values through something to convert to a MidiCC. That would mean I could turn one (or more) of the 8 instruments into a MIDI cc sender. That could be pretty awesome. Would be totally in sync, I could apply Patterning's probability, random and pendulum settings. Nice!
I could even also get it to modulate the TYPE of effect in Gadget if I gave up another of the 8 instruments to this.
Could be pretty amazing for some interesting percussion patterns, or rhythmic parts. The resolution would obviously be restricted to the number of divisions round the circle patterning allows (128?) so perhaps no good for a really smooth filter sweep - but for more choppy effects it would be great (the same as it's internal automation actually).
I just need to work out what will easily convert MidiNote values to CCs. Anyone know? MidiFlow?
Thanks Jocphone. Could you give me some specifics on how you've got it set up? Is it IAA? Do you have the clock thing set in Patterning's MIDI section?
Thanks.
I think MidiFlow or MidiBridge can both be used @Mat_Fletcher_2000. Also, I think you said you didn't get along with Different Drummer, but if you use the pan wave and set the output to midi only, you can accomplish the same thing, including randomizations. Currently, the number of cc's are limited, but the next version is supposed to open it up.
Yep, it's iAA for both methods (as Audio track or as MIDI track), Patterning is set to receive MIDI clock.
No, this is Rock'n'roll :-)
Thanks. Yep. DD is for another day
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I'm interested in sculpting a beat/rhythmic pattern entirely in Patterning sending the midi to Gadget. If you see what I mean. I just wanna run my fingers around those circles until it sounds good. Including modulation and variation of effects in Gadget.
I realise that patterning sending 'pitch automation' out wouldn't really work because it just sends a possible 2 octaves (12 semi tones either side of what you set the root note to be for the instrument). So that's just 24 values to go off.
However, if MidiFlow or MidiBridge will convert velocity to midi ccs then I'm back in business.
Ok great! Didn't see that you could set patterning to receive clock. Now it shows a midi symbol where the play button was, but when I start playback patterning doesn't play at all.
I think MidiFlow can do it (according to its documentation): http://www.midiflow.com/documentation/#controller-remapping-special-controllers-notes
But I can't test it because I don't have the required IAP and I don't want to buy it now
Did you set Cubasis to send Midi Clock?
Yes.
Also, when I tried it as a midi track, I think I had to go into the sidebar in Cubasis and set it to send MIDI to patterning. I don't have my iPad here so I can't check but I remember it took a little while clicking things to get patterning to play along with a MIDI track.
Brilliant. Thanks. Yes, looks like an IAP.
That's amazing news.
So (i'm dreaming) you could point Patterning at Bilbao in Gadget, 'give up' a few of the patterning 'instruments' to controlling effects and:
have the first 4 Patterning instruments control 4 different samples in Bilbao
with the other 4 instruments (mapping velocity to midi ccs) automate stuff like the start (or end) point of the samples in Bilbao, sample pitch or a Gadget effect value.
you could also use the 24 note values (via the Coarse pitching parameter) to map to the Gadget FX type (there are just 26 different FX) and change that on the fly - or to something like delay amount (or anything else) that you don't mind jumping in big steps
I.e. each instrument gives you potentially 127 velocity values and 24 possible note values to map to 2 different MIDI ccs.
@benkamen - it would be great if in one of you updates you could squeeze the code to have some or all of the different automation wheels on the pen tool send midi ccs out (e.g. pitch, filter etc..) because that would make the whole thing a lot easier (and get rid of the need to route via MidiFlow) - but until then this might be a possible work around (I hope).
... because I see Patterning as the best and most fluid rhythmic midi sequencers on the iPad right now - so I really wanna get it fully powered with midi ccs as well as just sending notes.
@Matt_Fletcher_2000
On what you've been talking about, one of my update requests for this app is the ability to change the base note of all the MIDI out channels via-external MIDI keyboard. That would open up quite a few possibilities.
very out of context to quote Matt after almost a week has passed, I know -- but I wanted to clarify what I meant because I think this is an important feature that could be included in future updates.
to rephrase/remind folks of my original request ( @benkamen -- not to gang up on you, just super excited by the possibilities of ONC's work), I'm wondering if sample start could become a part of the Layer drawing. I love Patterning as a drum sequencer/synth, but I'd really love to be able to load melodic samples in and futz with start points across the circle. What I'm looking for is an easy way to load a single sample and use Patterning's treatment of sample-as-ring to set different sample start points for each step. On-the-fly.
Bilbao lets you mess with the sample start of a single sample on a single pad, like a traditional drum machine. if you want to have multiple instances of a single sample, each with different start points, you need to load the sample multiple times and mess with the sample start. not ideal for on-the-fly, decent for studio.
the closest thing I can find is nanoloop's treatment of samples. Working on a strict 16-step 4x4 grid, you can change sample start for each block by dragging your finger up or down. but nanoloop is an island -- no IAA, no Audiobus. to get it out of my iPad, I really only can export each pattern individually. good for on-the-fly, a nightmare for studio.
but Patterning can do better than both these apps. it already does so much more than a traditional drum machine, because it's truly a drum synth. Being able to load a single sample into a band of the circle and THEN mess with all the parameters like tuning and panning and attack levels for EACH TRIGGER is AMAZING. really incredible stuff. makes for complex soundscapes, rather than just funky rhythms. perfect for on-the-fly, perfect for studio.
hopefully this makes sense and connects with something people may or may not know they'd want out of Patterning. there's nothing on the current app landscape that can do this, as far as i can tell, with the flexibility and stability and exportability. but i think it'd be very satisfying as Patterning becomes more and more ubiquitous as not just a drum synth/sequencer, but a viable option for a true all-in-one experimental studio.
GAH. I LOVE THIS APP. THANK YOU FOR ALL YOUR WORK!
I'm not really a keyboard kind of guy
- but that sounds cool too. Wouldn't you need 8 different Midi Keyboards for the 8 different instruments though? Or have to do a load of fiddling with splitting the keyboard and channels etc.
Is it possible to have Patterning trigger the midi drums in Cubasis?
@dderks
Totally hear you on what you're asking for. I think it would be extremely cool for people using samples within Patterning (not me personally because I use it as a controller only - but I suspect most people are using Patterning that way). It's super interesting to mess (on the fly, on each hit) with the start (and end) point of a longer vocal sample for example (especially with a load of delay added!). The thing I love most about Patterning is that 'messing with' means running your hand round this circle a bit until it sounds great. It's easier than in any other app where often you're drawing in tiny automation points, or have a XY pad that can't be fine tuned.
As a side point - just in case you didn't realise (maybe you did) you could load the sample once into Bilbao on just one pad - then automate the start and stop points on that sample (using the dials or Gadget's automation panel). I.e. you can automate this on one single sample - you don't have to load multiple versions of the sample (unless you want multiple hits with different start points to to occur at the same time I guess). It's more fiddly than Patterning would be though.
It should be. Just point it at Cubasis and give it a go.
I guess when I said "external MIDI keyboard", I was also thinking a sequencer. So you could have notes from a sequencer trigger.
But yeah, if done on a keyboard, it would be splitting or changing the channel on the keyboard itself.
@Musikman4Christ Yes it would, you'd just need to make sure that the channels aligned. Patterning sets up MIDI Note out as each individual sound gets its own channel, so you could have it set that the bass drum goes to channel 1, snare to channel 2, etc. That means that you could either have 8 independent channels for maximum independence, or you could set all the outs in Patterning to the same channel, and have the MIDI in on Cubasis on the same channel.
Yes but you will need to change Patterning's MIDI out note values
@Matt_Fletcher_2000
nice one on the Bilbao tips -- that's a good intermediary between nanoloop's current functionality and what I'm looking for out of Patterning. didn't think of the automation settings on Gadget. that might actually bring that app into my usual arsenal. thank you so much. but yeah, Patterning would make this so much easier.
It would.
And but until then (as i'm mumbling about above) i'm planning to have Patterning control Gadget in doing this. Although it will require a fair bit of Midi geekery.
So wait, is it possible to map one of the Layers' MIDI to control the "sample start" knob of Bilbao??? Thaaaaat would be killer.
Gosh, if I were the dev it would be a very warm feeling to think of the boffins sat in the lunchroom brainstorming my product like this
Good stuff.