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Dats wot I'm sayin' -
I reckon it is.
If you go via MidiFlow.
But it's not one of Patterning's automation layers you'd need to use (sadly they don't send midi ccs - yet - otherwise you could). It's one of its instruments (one of its drums). And you need to map the velocity of those drums into a midi cc instead - that Bilboa will read as being the start point to the sample. Another of Patterning's drums you can use to actually trigger that sample.
Neat, yeah?
Yep - although midi ccs out would make it all about 100 times easier .
This is an insane amount of work to undertake for that result! If anything, I'd recommend sequencing a sequencer to get this. Meaning use something like Genome to trigger CC sequences in MIDI Sequencer (or vice versa) so you can create a kind of random near-Circadian effect.
@calcutta I don't think so at all. Once it's mapped it's mapped. And you put MidiFlow in the background. You can save the midi config with the song in Patterning. And you can save in MidiFlow I think.
Then you have everything controllable from inside patterning - rather than having to use 2 apps (you might as well just use Patterning and Gadget if you are going to use Patterning and another sequencer).
edit:
My goal is to sit in Patterning (with its winderful UI) and noodle up a drumloop or sample based rhythm in terms of both where the beats hit and applying per step effects. Exactly as you can if using Patterning internally - but actually driving and ultimately recording into Gadget instead (with all the benefits that brings me).
I know it sounds like a hassle, but I reckon running the midi through MidiFlow should be pretty quick and easy. It's a straight mapping of velocity into a midi cc too.
would love to have a randomize function for layer parameters. is there a way to do this that i missed?
sorry if that has been discussed already.
speaking of already discussed...about sample previewing and tap recording,
would it be a good idea to have the sample sound play on second and subsequent presses of the sample select circle? and enabling record would add this to the pattern.
I try not to promise things, but some of this is already in the code, just hidden to you with no UI at the moment. I tried to use standard cc values (mod wheel == 1, etc) , though now I'm wondering if I should just make them user assignable. That might ultimately be the best right? And just to temper your expectations, this is at least two updates from now, gotta get bugs first.
Not sure if this has been mentioned yet, but there's a nice article and interview up about Patterning here:
http://www.factmag.com/2015/08/23/patterning-drum-machine-app-ipad/
I like that FACT is checking for iOS musical apps.
That would rock! But, create a default option cause once we mess around with everything its nice to have a default option to get everything back in original specs if needed.
Let's review:
I find it genuinely entertaining to watch the initial "OMG! It sounds brilliant!" reactions inevitably gravitate over the course of a week toward, "But can it send MIDI CCs to both launch and safely land my Arturia/Volca/Electribe Hybrid Drone Flying Sonic Fortress of Doom?" See disclaimer in italics at bottom of post.
Oh, and congrats to Olympia for getting the front page of the App Store, maintaining 5 stars over 60+ reviews, and crediting Sean Garland and the ever effervescent Doug Woods in your blurbs. Class all the way
So, yeah, I scrolled through endless pages of this thread, went to the App Store, went to Ben's site and still couldn't find an answer. @benkamen – or anyone else in the know – is $9.99 a limited time (how limited, can you say, if so?) intro price, or the standard price?
I'm very interested and need to prepare a case for my accountant ...
Man if you could land things via MIDI CC...
esp. with Patterning so it could happen at different places and times!
Yep. "Class" is the word. It's lovely.
Now back to launching my Drone.
"I don't always travel through space and time, but when I do, I prefer it be polyrhythmic."
Cool!
But it's not sending out hidden ccs is it? (If it is, then do let me know and I'll find them!) If not, can't you just switch them on? Or just one of them on (Or is it not that simple?) No 'UI' required surely? I'd have thought you just send the value of the 'pen tool' parametrers out as some midi ccs? Personally I wouldn't want to / need to change them because most apps you send them to have midi learn.
Edit:
User assignable would be nice later, obviously.
But just sending, say, the 'filter' pen tool layer out as midi cc 10 for the kick, 11 snare, etc etc up to 17 (for the eight instruments) would be massively useful for anyone using midi out I think (or at least some of us). If you could do it on the same basis for the delay and reverb pen tools too that would be even more great. Giving each instrument 3 midi ccs to play with.
The cc numbers you choose don't really matter too much IMO since all apps apply them differently and mostly you can midi learn at the other end. (But one day a way to change them would be cool).
+1 for MIDI Learn vs. mapping, if that's even a thing. My MIDI drone looks like Charlie Brown's Halloween costume.
standard price.
@benkamen hi, can Patterning sample live? is there a manual I can read? thanks!
Ha ha... Well it works...
This is horrible (sorry Johnny - I'll take it down shortly) - but as a proof of concept...
ignore the drum beat - it's just there to compare against a beat and is made with a London Gadget - Not driven by patterning.
I'm trigging a single vocal sample in Bilbao from Patternings first "Perc" instrument
I'm also using patterning's second "Perc" instrument to modulate the start position of that same sample in 8th intervals in Bilbao via a midi cc produced by converting the note velocity to cc1. I've set this second Perc instrument's pattern to the URN random mode - so that produces the random start point of the vocal sample you can hear
I'm finally using Patterning's "Tom" instrument to send notes where again I convert velocity to midi cc 13 and modulate the amount of short delay (one of Gadgets stock effects) that you hear being fired off from time to time.
All this is saved in Patterning as a song and in MidiFlow as a patch. So I can now easily use instruments 7 and 8 whenever I want to rhythmically modulate stuff in Gadget in conjunction with firing notes from instruments 1 through to 6 from Patterning.
Time for bed .
That's a fantastic piece in FACT. Brilliant PR.
Congratulations @benkamen
Or this... Made with just one single drum sample in Gadget - with Patterning triggering it and modulating it's pitch and reverb semi randomly in 16ths and quarters respectively. This pattern took me about 1 minute to come up with.
(I stuck a 4:4 kick drum in for fun half way through just to show the timing is good).
I promise I'll stop now. I really will. I'm just a bit blown away by the possibilities with this type of thing and it's been one of those days .
Got it working, Thanks!
@Matt_Fletcher_2000 I am in touch with counsel who are suggesting sewage (technical term).
Sorry. I'll take it down pronto. It was what I had to hand.
You should follow the standard MIDI cc assignments. In the days of hardware, MIDI pretty much worked properly on all devices because they followed the MIDI protocol. There are enough unspecified CC's that can be used for special cases. See these pages:
http://www.indiana.edu/~emusic/cntrlnumb.html
http://www.blitter.com/~russtopia/MIDI/~jglatt/tech/midispec/ctllist.htm
Damn I wanted to listen to it
The second test was dope.
I will be playing round with this soon so thanks!
To add to my feature request for saving midi routing setup favourites, please could you also consider iTunes file sharing support for backup and transfer of patterns, thanks
http://oktopus.hu/uploaded/Tudastar/MIDI 1.0 Detailed Specification.pdf
Matt, my old china, just kidding; to quote that grand philosopher Harold Melvin: If you don't know me by now...
Is it me or Patterning sends MIDI clock tempo at double speed? I have Patterning tempo set at 100 (or 94, or whatever) and two synths I have tried (Arturia Sem and Waldorf Nave) both got double values, so 200 or 188. Anyone?
I apologize if this has been discussed already, I did a quick search and couldn't find it.