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Comments
Ok, sorry for the delay. Some of you got comments early in the month, a couple earlier this week, here are the rest.
@monzo: this is insane that you did this live with Cyclop. I really dug this one. For such insanity, it all flowed well and nothing was jarring. The end delay, time switch was great. Good use of tone stack. Just the right amount of distortion on the synths and drums. We should hang out and play this hell video game.
@Matt_Fletcher_2000: another stellar produced track by you. I'm not really into drum and bass type stuff, so while I appreciate your work, I don't always want to go back for more, just not my style. I really liked this track, I agree it was a little more outside of the norm for you. Great use of Helsinki, and the little plucked synths were perfect. The weird Vocoded synth was cool too. You should really submit your stuff to WEATNU(Our), it will sound great right along other stuff on that station. Let them know I sent you.
Thanks to both for your feedback on my track. Glad you liked the mix and the song.
@Jarmin: I like the syncopated chords in the intro, main melody. I enjoy the little breakdown in the middle. Pretty weird and catchy, the song is fun and the mix sounded good to me. If anything I think the end was a little too nuts. The syncopated chords were good but the horns got lost in mix.
@LostBoy85 great atmosphere and production on the track. You have a really good voice and the lyrics are good. The only thing criticism wise is that I don't care for the chorus, double effect on your voice. It detracts from the song in my opinion. The mix and production is really good and unique on this one. The high harmonies you do with yourself are great. Good job.
@dblonde: I am not sure how you made this track and I didn't notice your post along the way, but it's pretty huge. I like the synth, layered with the guitar and strings. There is so much going on that it gets a little muddy too me in some spots, and the panning seemed pretty intense in a couple places. The switch in style was great and unexpected as people have mentioned. I thought the drums were varied enough to keep it interesting, and not over-progging things. That's a real term.
@jocphone Very interesting. Not sure if it was intentional in the madness but the bass was giving me a popping/clipping sound like it needed a little attack. I appreciate weird stuff and noise, but that was pretty annoying to listen to. The vocals were cool and I appreciate that it is different than what we normally get in here.
@thus thanks for the feedback and the kind words on my track. As others have said, push the drums up a little in some parts. I loved the bass in this and and e-piano and synth bells were very tasteful. I think I would love some female vocals over this, however the singer is very talented, just not my style. I really like the melody change 2/3s through. Great production overall, nice job!
Thanks @BvsMV. I guess I was just trying to underline certain phrases with the double effect.I appreciate the feedback though mate.Roll on September.....
Part 2
@dblonde - The Porcupine:
Nicely put together, fairly traditional rock jam. I have kept half an eye on the JamStik since it arrived as a fellow long time guitar tormentor but am still undecided. I wonder whether the mode of input, being guitar like, actually keeps you in that rock mindset, might have to pick one up and give it a try myself. I don't know, just rambling really but I find myself curious on whether it would be useful in creating more abstract soundscapes.
@touchconspiracy - Symbolic:
Interesting, couldn't stop thinking how much this sounded like Soft Cell might have done. Nice choice of sounds and great bass as is your forte. I still think you struggle with making a track more than a collection of interesting sections. Maybe you need to try working two different tracks into one and see if you can make it transition over the length of the track to create some kind of narrative. This concept of progression may have no place in the context of where you music ends up but I think I would find more to invest in if there was a "story" to the piece.
@Matt_Fletcher_2000 - Somewhere in the Middle:
Excellent moody intro and glad to see you not falling back to THAT beat again once the more regular percussion starts. Great little details as usual but it is also refreshing to hear you move away a little from you tried and tested sounds and motifs. Although there is plenty of variety here and enough to keep me as a noise creator engaged I do still think it yearns that elusive hook, the one that people will remember. Maybe it is there but so subtle that I don't recognise it yet as I do find the final refrain repeating in my head while writing this.
@JohnnyGoodyear - Wake Up Blues:
It's a shame if you had the idea of how to finish this but didn't get the chance to do so. Has a lot of potential and 3 or 4 interesting sections. Doubling and layering vocals can be very tricky and they don't always feel in sync here. Mostly I think it needs more of a commitment to become a song. By that I don't mean commitment of your time but in terms of committing to decisions about what goes where. You have all the pieces, they just need to be put in the right order.
@BvsMV - Some Day When I wake Up:
This is right up my street. Beautiful evolving melody lines that slowly weave round each other. Plenty of incidental detail there but nothing ever seems superfluous, just really nicely constructed and has that progression that I seem to be banging on about this month. Enjoyed the drum programming too, that really helped pushed the whole thing along.
@AndyX - Electric Train:
A very Kraftwerk concept, well executed. The idea of the musical lines and sounds being very close to the real world sounds, famously in Autobahn and Tour de France, among others, has always been something that fascinated me about their work. You have managed to pull off the same trick without aping Kraftwerk which is an accomplishment in itself. Could have done with being longer. I would have enjoyed you expanding on this idea.
Am not familiar with iReal Pro or MTS and certainly didn't realise that MTS allowed tempo changes. Have been aching for an app that does this on iOS and turned to SunVox recently when I found out that it provides this feature. Is it able to sync with other apps while changing tempo?
Anyway, great stuff. Look forward to hearing more of your work here.
@rkmonkey - Texas Gadget BLuEz:
Curious mix of new and old here rkmonkey. I do find it interesting that the guitar has had such changing fortunes in the last couple of decades, to the point where it can now sound a bit historical, especially as here, when it's a fairly standard blues. Except you have also managed to make it sound completely modern with your arrangement. I like it, but I'm not sure I could listen to it a lot.
@thus - Wasteland:
Great mix on this track. I think the new headphones are starting to breathe a little more as this track really opened up re-listening to it today, after having done so earlier in the week. The style of music reminds me of some of the big american super groups that my older sister used to listen to in the eighties, not my kind of thing, but I enjoyed the push and pull of the instrumental track. The vocalist is a good singer, on earlier listens I thought this could have been improved by being pushed forward, not necessarily louder but just more 'present' or nearer to the listener, but I'm not so sure now.
@monzo - Austerity Head:
You have a great talent for taking us on these fantastic journeys Monzo. Have really enjoyed your other track 'Dalek Tower' recently too. It's taken a few listens for this one to settle into recognisable 'things' in my head but that's the joy in listening to music I think, the fact that a track can take a good few listens to reveal it's treasure. Great stuff as usual, and to return your instruction, keep it up!
Loads of really excellent submissions this month. Don't know how I'm going to find time to listen if it keeps increasing at this rate, but that's all good.
I dig music and appreciate something in all creative efforts. That said, I am not a great critic. Maybe in time I will be more helpful.
@Jarmin - Beat 'Em (WIP):
Love the reggae vibe. Reggae meets DEVO in some ways.
@Marcel - instrumental:
Always a fan from your first entry. Some of the best recent Radiohead tunes . They should reach out to you.
@LostBoy85 - Phantom Love:
Deep, personal and emotional. Worked on all levels for me.
@badmaxton - Breakin' The Past:
Pic and song bring back nightmare of hurricane Katrina. Breaking.....
@AlterEgoUK - Middle Rise:
Great vibe. Smooth as hell. Great guitar work.
@Igneous1 - Gilded Hero:
Kicking back. Thankful the day is over tune.
@Richardyot - Lights:
I've listened multiple times. enjoy it from beginning to end.
@dblonde - The Porcupine:
Great layers and guitar.
@touchconspiracy - Symbolic:
I enjoyed the tune. Don't know enough to know any different.
@Jocphone - Junior Terror Loop:
Need to have my head examined. This works for me. Calms my brain.
@Matt_Flecther_2000 - Somewhere in the Middle:
Greta mix. Keeps me interested and wanting more. Thom Y would dig it too.
@JohnnyGoodyear - Wake Up Blues:
I admit that your tune convinced me to submit "something" blues. You gots a way with words. Great layered vocals.
@BvsMV - Some Day When I wake Up:
Enjoyed it from start to finish. I liked the ending actually.
@Andy X - Electric Train:
Cool track. Dig the vocoder. The speed up had my heart going.
@thus - Wasteland:
Enjoyed the tune and appreciate the effort behind it.
Looking forward to more.
@monzo - Austerity Head:
Works in many crazy ways for me. Again it is a brain thing.
The compression thing. I've just moved over to using SunVox as a DAW where I did everything in Gadget previously, so I'm really starting again with a load of new, and quite confusing, toys. There isn't really the same delineation between what is an instrument and what is an effect that you see in more traditional DAWs employing the studio metaphor. Consequently I think it's fair game to try and push these things but I do take your point about dynamics and your own track illustrates this nicely.
Thanks BvsMV. The new cans are starting to break in and I can hear that now. That is pretty annoying, although I may experiment with making it worse before I try and fix it
@Jocphone Another excellent and, in the true sense of the word, thoughtful set of reviews. As regards your notes to me, I think you're absolutely right. You must be, because I agree with you
I'm happy with the outline of this song/idea and also happy to put it to one side. I have found myself humming it around the house while I scrub the cat or peel the children and I wouldn't be at all surprised if I end up back with some variant. Probably electronic, sad and short. This seems to be my pattern Doctor.
Glad I could help rkmonkey!
@rkmonkey Thanks for the note. And don't be so hard on yourself as regards criticism. It's the fact of the listening and the commenting that counts. I have (gratefully!) read many very good cross-referenced in-depth wodges (technical term) of analysis, but have also found useful insight in the shortest of comments....
Actually, while I was listening to your track last week or whenever you posted it, I found myself thinking of Nick Cave in the same vein as the previous commentor. Not that you sound like him, just that your song maybe exists in a similar part of the universe. I went and re-listened to the track they used for the Peaky Blinders TV programme recently, which is one of my favourites of his, and kinda wondered about how you might have treated your track with a similar kind of feel. Also his song "Do you love me?" in the same vein. Just thinking out loud..
EDIT: Sorry, "Red Right Hand" was his track they used on Peaky Blinders, in case you didn't see it over there.
@Jocphone said:
That's why I said, I didn't know if that was intentional! Again, cool track and keep maling challenging music. Thanks for the kind words as well!
@rkmonkey thanks for the kind words!
Wow! Thanks all for the incredibly thoughtful, kind and detailed reviews! I'm learning a lot from all feedbacks, both from my track (thanks a lot to all for listening and for the comments) and from the other tracks. I think this month set a very high bar for the quality and quantity of helpful comments.
@Jocphone - re. MTS, used as the master you could have other apps synced to it as MTS changes tempo. It provides two ways for syncing: MTS can send MIDI clock to any external app(s), and it can also host apps thru IAA. Some, but not all, apps that work as IAA instruments also sync thru IAA to its host. The MTS dev (a great guy) strongly recommends IAA sync instead of MIDI clock sync in iOS. But to be honest, I try to avoid interapp madness in iOS, and use MTS standalone. My sounds come all from soundfonts played inside MTS.
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Interesting and coincidental, in as far as someone was bending my ear about how I needed to see Peaky Blinders (which I haven't done yet). I'll be back in the UK for a visit in a few weeks, maybe I'll make it my plane binge of choice
Thanks @Matt_Fletcher_2000 really like the track, nice mood and production is great.
Lots of really good tracks this month, some nice experimental stuff. Not had time to comment or participate much this month unfortunately. But taking a listen for sure
Thanks - probably avoids the standard dance format by my lack of knowing how to do it, rather than by design - glad you enjoyed it though!
Thanks - think the end bit might have been Timeless 2....can't remember now as it's all done on the hoof and I tend to delete all my old files. Don't think I added any distortion - as this all came from the apps themselves, though I probably boosted the amp gain a bit.
Thanks for the feedback!
Thanks @Jocphone - these two haven't been quite as worked on as the last submission (Pine Cone Pt3), more live jamming noises and getting to know my new synths, but glad you enjoyed listening to them. I've been mucking about with live guitar via the iRig recently, so I'm hoping this month's tracks will carry on the journey...
I played more with the vocal levels and wetness than anything else in the mix. I think lack of "presence" is a perfect description, because levels aren't the problem. When my office mate listened to the track on a plantronic headset across the room, all I could hear was the vocals. Yet they feel "back" somehow, played at volume. I need to read up what to do.
I hope this is more to your liking Mr jocphone
@Jocophone
Thanks for the feedback.
"not sure I could listen to it a lot." Cracked me up!
Final ones I think:
@rkmonkey: I really liked this track. I think it is very "quirky" for lack of a better word. The only thing I would say is maybe some different drums, the crash/hats going constantly is fine, but kind of overshadows the other drums. The guitar with the wobble bass is nice, I really like the bass riffs going on. The guitar and bass playing are really good.
@touchconspiracy: Another well mixed, pro sounding track. Nice drums and progression. Personally, I feel like the bass should have been slightly louder, but that is a small thing. It's another track where people would never think it was made on an iPad. Good job!
Thanks for the feedback. Been trying to find ways to bring my guitar playing to iOS music in more unique ways. Mostly wind up in ideas and jams as others noted. I get caught up in simplicity and laziness when it comes to the drums. Will work on that.
Hmm, sounds a bit harsh now. I did enjoy listening to your track so hopefully my comment didn't sting too much..?
Not harsh at all. It was hilarious. And honest.
Was hoping someone more experienced with vocals might have chipped in with some advice, but I'm inclined to think the lack of presence could be caused by the recording. I would be tempted to try different microphones if you have access to any, even crappy cheap mics can give interesting results sometimes and also experiment with the positioning. Forum crooner @LostBoy85 gets some great results, just with the iPad (he claims
so it might be worth trying to summon him among others here.
I find switching DAW to be quite an investment unfortunately, I have heard a few people on here effusing about MTS but the relatively high price (for an iOS app) coupled with the need to learn something so complex with it's own ways of doing things that I have learned in different ways in Cubasis and Gadget always causes me to back away from the BUY button. Still, have just read through the feature list and there is a lot to like about MTS.
Also, that unrelentingly grey UI would do me in.
I urge @LostBoy85 to form a band called The Forum Crooners without delay....
Hahaha! Damn it! I was already auditioning for "The IPad Lads"!!
failing that...The "AudioBuskers"??! Oh god...flood gates are open..."The Go Go Gadgets"!!:D 