Jim Audio Groove Rider 2 - RELEASED

dendy · March 21

@FizzyLizzy27 said:

@dendy said:

@wim said:
I don’t see that a sub category would be more useful. If people feel it’s better to start a separate threads for more specific discussions about GR-2, they can always do so.

This always reminds my my years old idea about completely different UX approach to forum .. i think these classic forums like this one are totally ineffective, becasue in such major topic people tend to open tons of small side-by discussions .. i have in my head idea of branching thread, like tree, where you can choose to follow main branch or you can in some straightforward way jump into any "paralallel" sub thread, while you can still see visually the original thread (place on original thread) where this sub thread branch started, so you don't get lost and you can easily jump back to main topic. .

probably i am the only one who would like such thing .. like parallel universe where you can jump between universes and be part of alternate timelines :-)

Anyway - never saw any public forum solving this problem in good way .. even things like reddit or X can become total mess very quickly .. well, maybe there is no demand for such thing ..

Sounds like a Discord channel to me.

nope, discord is ultra-mess 🤣

dendy · March 21

@RajahP said:

@dendy said:

@wim said:
I don’t see that a sub category would be more useful. If people feel it’s better to start a separate threads for more specific discussions about GR-2, they can always do so.

This always reminds my my years old idea about completely different UX approach to forum .. i think these classic forums like this one are totally ineffective, becasue in such major topic people tend to open tons of small side-by discussions .. i have in my head idea of branching thread, like tree, where you can choose to follow main branch or you can in some straightforward way jump into any "paralallel" sub thread, while you can still see visually the original thread (place on original thread) where this sub thread branch started, so you don't get lost and you can easily jump back to main topic. .

probably i am the only one who would like such thing .. like parallel universe where you can jump between universes and be part of alternate timelines :-)

Anyway - never saw any public forum solving this problem in good way .. even things like reddit or X can become total mess very quickly .. well, maybe there is no demand for such thing ..

KVR has (or had) the best format, ‘categorized by developer (or product) sections’… This is a forum that was built around Loopy Pro, that exploded…
Any developer with a ‘competing app’ might shy away from participating…

nope, that’s basically just another forum with sophisticated tags and categories system, but unlike the thing I have in my mind…

there is no forum, social network or chat system, which would properly handle navigation within multiple branches of smaller threads naturally growing from one main root base thread..

maybe I should try to create some prototype and see if people would like it

cokomairena · March 21

@dendy said:

@RajahP said:

@dendy said:

@wim said:
I don’t see that a sub category would be more useful. If people feel it’s better to start a separate threads for more specific discussions about GR-2, they can always do so.

This always reminds my my years old idea about completely different UX approach to forum .. i think these classic forums like this one are totally ineffective, becasue in such major topic people tend to open tons of small side-by discussions .. i have in my head idea of branching thread, like tree, where you can choose to follow main branch or you can in some straightforward way jump into any "paralallel" sub thread, while you can still see visually the original thread (place on original thread) where this sub thread branch started, so you don't get lost and you can easily jump back to main topic. .

probably i am the only one who would like such thing .. like parallel universe where you can jump between universes and be part of alternate timelines :-)

Anyway - never saw any public forum solving this problem in good way .. even things like reddit or X can become total mess very quickly .. well, maybe there is no demand for such thing ..

KVR has (or had) the best format, ‘categorized by developer (or product) sections’… This is a forum that was built around Loopy Pro, that exploded…
Any developer with a ‘competing app’ might shy away from participating…

nope, that’s basically just another forum with sophisticated tags and categories system, but unlike the thing I have in my mind…

there is no forum, social network or chat system, which would properly handle navigation within multiple branches of smaller threads naturally growing from one main root base thread..

maybe I should try to create some prototype and see if people would like it

it's called reddit

If we count on topic messages this thread is like 8 pages long xD

FizzyLizzy27 · March 21

@dendy said:

@RajahP said:

@dendy said:

@wim said:
I don’t see that a sub category would be more useful. If people feel it’s better to start a separate threads for more specific discussions about GR-2, they can always do so.

This always reminds my my years old idea about completely different UX approach to forum .. i think these classic forums like this one are totally ineffective, becasue in such major topic people tend to open tons of small side-by discussions .. i have in my head idea of branching thread, like tree, where you can choose to follow main branch or you can in some straightforward way jump into any "paralallel" sub thread, while you can still see visually the original thread (place on original thread) where this sub thread branch started, so you don't get lost and you can easily jump back to main topic. .

probably i am the only one who would like such thing .. like parallel universe where you can jump between universes and be part of alternate timelines :-)

Anyway - never saw any public forum solving this problem in good way .. even things like reddit or X can become total mess very quickly .. well, maybe there is no demand for such thing ..

KVR has (or had) the best format, ‘categorized by developer (or product) sections’… This is a forum that was built around Loopy Pro, that exploded…
Any developer with a ‘competing app’ might shy away from participating…

nope, that’s basically just another forum with sophisticated tags and categories system, but unlike the thing I have in my mind…

there is no forum, social network or chat system, which would properly handle navigation within multiple branches of smaller threads naturally growing from one main root base thread..

maybe I should try to create some prototype and see if people would like it

How is that different from a Discord server with a group for GR2? Have a few specific channels like song creation, troubleshooting, tips, etc.? You can start branching threads from a channel that diverges from the main conversation which easily link back to where it originated.

Frank303 · March 21

I'm thinking ai could at one point be helpful with some sort of automatic indexing, sort of auto generating sub threads. I can see a sort of cloud with topics and branches generated. With even replies to a question together instead of replies to a question spread over multiple pages interspersed with other questions.
Doesn't this need a new thread? 😅

FastGhost · March 22

Finally found some time to put into learning GR2 and so far I love it. I have two questions that I’ve not found an answer to though: 1) is there no way to use the Pure Acid sequencer with the built-in Pure Acid bass? And 2) how on earth do I record the output of a midi generator (Rozetta Bassline) into a clip?

Frank303 · March 22

Not build in, just use the auv3 version of pure acid.
Stop playback, in the clips view, long press an empty clip and select print midi here. Adjust bar /print length in pattern settings (click the name of your pattern top center for the settings)

FastGhost · March 22

Amazing, thanks @Frank303

Pher · March 23

@cokomairena said:

@dendy said:

@RajahP said:

@dendy said:

@wim said:
I don’t see that a sub category would be more useful. If people feel it’s better to start a separate threads for more specific discussions about GR-2, they can always do so.

This always reminds my my years old idea about completely different UX approach to forum .. i think these classic forums like this one are totally ineffective, becasue in such major topic people tend to open tons of small side-by discussions .. i have in my head idea of branching thread, like tree, where you can choose to follow main branch or you can in some straightforward way jump into any "paralallel" sub thread, while you can still see visually the original thread (place on original thread) where this sub thread branch started, so you don't get lost and you can easily jump back to main topic. .

probably i am the only one who would like such thing .. like parallel universe where you can jump between universes and be part of alternate timelines :-)

Anyway - never saw any public forum solving this problem in good way .. even things like reddit or X can become total mess very quickly .. well, maybe there is no demand for such thing ..

KVR has (or had) the best format, ‘categorized by developer (or product) sections’… This is a forum that was built around Loopy Pro, that exploded…
Any developer with a ‘competing app’ might shy away from participating…

nope, that’s basically just another forum with sophisticated tags and categories system, but unlike the thing I have in my mind…

there is no forum, social network or chat system, which would properly handle navigation within multiple branches of smaller threads naturally growing from one main root base thread..

maybe I should try to create some prototype and see if people would like it

it's called reddit

If we count on topic messages this thread is like 8 pages long xD

A r/JimAudio subreddit sounds like a good idea to me. Not only about Groove Rider, but also Poison, Pure Acid, and whatever could come

There could be a tag per app, and a tag to showcase tracks. That way it would be easy to identify the different topic types.

yellow_eyez · March 23

GR2 🙌 (Maybe my fave music station alongside cb3)

Optahealth · March 25

@rheslip said:
Its been bugging me that Scaler won't print to MIDI properly on my M1 iPad Pro - as mentioned earlier a known issue with Scaler on some iPads. Its seems that Scaler expects 44.1Khz audio for MIDI timing or something and GR2 defaults to 48khz.

I found a workaround using AUM:

Load GR2 in AUM as an Inter App Audio app

Load Scaler 2 in AUM in a MIDI channel strip

Enable MIDI clock out to GR2 in AUM in tempo settings *** important

Route Scaler MIDI out to AUM Source in the AUM routing matrix

In GR2 MIDI settings verify that AUM is the MIDI input device

In GR2 Audio settings, enable background audio and make sure IAA Host Sync is Allowed

Set up your chord sequence, performance or whatever in Scaler

Set Scaler's MIDI channel so it matches the part you want to record in GR2

Set up the part in GR2 and make sure the clip bar length matches the Scaler sequence bar length

Create a new clip in GR2, or enable Song Mode to record to the timeline

Hit the stop button in GR2 to reset the song pointer, hit record button, then hit play

AUM will start Scaler and GR2 will record Scaler MIDI into the clip/timeline that matches Scaler's MIDI output channel

Hit GR2 stop button when the Scaler sequence is complete

Not tested extensively but so far working pretty well for me. Once you get it set up it’s very fast to record Scaler MIDI. Just remember that GR2 will always record into the part that matches Scaler's MIDI output channel.

If you need to change bar lengths delete the clip and create a new one with the correct length set in the pattern menu - GR2 seems to screw up recording external midi if you change bar lengths in the editor.

Works also in Loopy Pro, will post a video later of setup, if people are interested.

Optahealth · March 25

@cyberheater said:
My mate is a guitarist and will be sending me stems. What’s is the best audio option for GR2?

Loopy Pro, Garageband also works both via IAA

testing N-Track studio with it now, just got the 7 day free trial for N-Track. Anybody else use this app? How do you like it?

cuscolima · March 25

Is there a way to input a guitar in the sampler without having to use something like loopback?

wim · March 25

@cuscolima said:
Is there a way to input a guitar in the sampler without having to use something like loopback?

Sure. Go to settings/audio and enable Audio Input, then select your interface. Then pick the audio interface from the list of audio sources.

Now when you go to Edit in the sampler and create an empty clip, pick Audio Input as the input.
I prefer to minimize the sampler window before recording because the jerky waveform drawing updates are distracting.

cuscolima · March 25

@wim said:

@cuscolima said:
Is there a way to input a guitar in the sampler without having to use something like loopback?

Sure. Go to settings/audio and enable Audio Input, then select your interface. Then pick the audio interface from the list of audio sources.

Now when you go to Edit in the sampler and create an empty clip, pick Audio Input as the input.
I prefer to minimize the sampler window before recording because the jerky waveform drawing updates are distracting.

Great, thanks.

FizzyLizzy27 · March 25

I’ve always had a hard time getting good guitar tracks going in loopers. Any general tips on setting bar lengths, synching start/stop timing to sound natural, getting a good flow, etc.? It’s a pretty broad topic but a skill I’ve wanted to nail down.

wim · March 25

@FizzyLizzy27 said:
I’ve always had a hard time getting good guitar tracks going in loopers. Any general tips on setting bar lengths, synching start/stop timing to sound natural, getting a good flow, etc.? It’s a pretty broad topic but a skill I’ve wanted to nail down.

If you're into guitar looping, there's no better tool on iOS than Loopy Pro. I started to list them, but the list got long, and it's off topic.

With a more limited sampler like GR-2, I get best results if I:

Play the loop part through a few times, or at least make sure to capture the start of the loop while already playing, and playing somewhat after the loop. Then trim the loop down. This way you capture the "end" sounds of the loop going into it, and the out sounds as well. That can make for a smoother loop.
Avoid reverb and echo while recording in favor of adding them later. That way you don't have to worry so much about the end reverberation bleeding in to the beginning, or cutting off suddenly at the end.
Consider recording dry so that you can re-amp later. Set up FX so that you can monitor with them applied, but not record them. It's also easier to edit a dry loop cleanly.
Start by trimming off the part before the beginning of the loop as accurately as possible. I usually hack off roughly up to just before the beginning of the loop, then zoom way, way in to find the real start. I look for zero crossings (where the waveform is just crossing the center line) or use zero crossing snap if the editor has it.
Next do the end, trying to trim as close as possible to just before the start of the next loop. Playing past the end of the loop is most helpful here. If you have a clear start to a repeat of the phrase, it's easier to find the end of the phrase you want. Editors that have Bars/Beats ruler and snap are especially helpful here. Unfortunately GR-2 doesn't have that.
Try the loop. If you get clicks, zoom in on the beginning and end and try adding a very small fade.

Unfortunately, GR-2's sample editor is somewhat basic. Other editors such as Meow, Neon, and Auditor have more features for making better loops. But GR-2 gets the job done, and it makes up for lack of some things with its good warp time stretch.

wim · March 25

To record dry in GR-2, you can set up your FX on one of the busses so that you can monitor with them while you play. You can always resample with the FX to burn them to a loop once you have the loop trimmed and have tweaked the FX how you like.

oscillotus · March 26

Is it possible to record sounds into Koala inside GR2? Let's say I want to record a Bleep bar into Koala?

wim · March 26

@oscillotus said:
Is it possible to record sounds into Koala inside GR2? Let's say I want to record a Bleep bar into Koala?

Not especially straight forward, but you can do it. Put Koala in as an effect on one of the FX busses or on the master. You can route the track straight to the spot where you put Koala using the button under Output on the right of the part screen. Mute any other tracks and start playback. Now you're ready to record in to Koala.

In some cases it might be just as easy to export the audio and import it into Koala by the time you go through all that.

FizzyLizzy27 · March 26

@wim said:

@FizzyLizzy27 said:
I’ve always had a hard time getting good guitar tracks going in loopers. Any general tips on setting bar lengths, synching start/stop timing to sound natural, getting a good flow, etc.? It’s a pretty broad topic but a skill I’ve wanted to nail down.

If you're into guitar looping, there's no better tool on iOS than Loopy Pro. I started to list them, but the list got long, and it's off topic.

With a more limited sampler like GR-2, I get best results if I:

Play the loop part through a few times, or at least make sure to capture the start of the loop while already playing, and playing somewhat after the loop. Then trim the loop down. This way you capture the "end" sounds of the loop going into it, and the out sounds as well. That can make for a smoother loop.

Avoid reverb and echo while recording in favor of adding them later. That way you don't have to worry so much about the end reverberation bleeding in to the beginning, or cutting off suddenly at the end.

Consider recording dry so that you can re-amp later. Set up FX so that you can monitor with them applied, but not record them. It's also easier to edit a dry loop cleanly.

Start by trimming off the part before the beginning of the loop as accurately as possible. I usually hack off roughly up to just before the beginning of the loop, then zoom way, way in to find the real start. I look for zero crossings (where the waveform is just crossing the center line) or use zero crossing snap if the editor has it.

Next do the end, trying to trim as close as possible to just before the start of the next loop. Playing past the end of the loop is most helpful here. If you have a clear start to a repeat of the phrase, it's easier to find the end of the phrase you want. Editors that have Bars/Beats ruler and snap are especially helpful here. Unfortunately GR-2 doesn't have that.

Try the loop. If you get clicks, zoom in on the beginning and end and try adding a very small fade.

Unfortunately, GR-2's sample editor is somewhat basic. Other editors such as Meow, Neon, and Auditor have more features for making better loops. But GR-2 gets the job done, and it makes up for lack of some things with its good warp time stretch.

Loopy Pro didn’t quite click with me back when I tried it a year or two ago, but I was very new to iOS music production. Was thinking of trying it out again now that I have a much better understanding of fundamentals. I wanted to dig into GR2 more before tackling Loopy again.

wim · March 26

@FizzyLizzy27 said:
Loopy Pro didn’t quite click with me back when I tried it a year or two ago, but I was very new to iOS music production. Was thinking of trying it out again now that I have a much better understanding of fundamentals. I wanted to dig into GR2 more before tackling Loopy again.

Those two are the only hosts I use these days. Each is almost perfect in its own way.

FizzyLizzy27 · March 26

@wim said:

@FizzyLizzy27 said:
Loopy Pro didn’t quite click with me back when I tried it a year or two ago, but I was very new to iOS music production. Was thinking of trying it out again now that I have a much better understanding of fundamentals. I wanted to dig into GR2 more before tackling Loopy again.

Those two are the only hosts I use these days. Each is almost perfect in its own way.

Cool. Do you find the two work particularly well in tandem? Or do you use each for different scenarios?

wim · March 26

@FizzyLizzy27 said:

@wim said:

@FizzyLizzy27 said:
Loopy Pro didn’t quite click with me back when I tried it a year or two ago, but I was very new to iOS music production. Was thinking of trying it out again now that I have a much better understanding of fundamentals. I wanted to dig into GR2 more before tackling Loopy again.

Those two are the only hosts I use these days. Each is almost perfect in its own way.

Cool. Do you find the two work particularly well in tandem? Or do you use each for different scenarios?

Separately, as the mood strikes me. I know you can output GR-2 into Loopy and you can host Loopy in GR-2, but other than just figuring things out because I like to, I don't see much utility in that.

oscillotus · March 26

@wim said:

@oscillotus said:
Is it possible to record sounds into Koala inside GR2? Let's say I want to record a Bleep bar into Koala?

Not especially straight forward, but you can do it. Put Koala in as an effect on one of the FX busses or on the master. You can route the track straight to the spot where you put Koala using the button under Output on the right of the part screen. Mute any other tracks and start playback. Now you're ready to record in to Koala.

In some cases it might be just as easy to export the audio and import it into Koala by the time you go through all that.

Thanks @wim, as you said, I think export/import might be the way to go then! I haven't verified yet, but is it possible to record into GR2s native sampler? I'm looking for a way to add a Bleep bar into the song timeline.

yellow_eyez · March 26

something isn’t clicking for me. I have my interface recording but I can’t get it to “record during playback”

I want the track to play while I go to sampler>edit>create new sample > select audio interface> record so it is recorded to the timeline at the correct place. ; or is this not possible ?

dmori · March 26

@oscillotus said:

@wim said:

@oscillotus said:
Is it possible to record sounds into Koala inside GR2? Let's say I want to record a Bleep bar into Koala?

Not especially straight forward, but you can do it. Put Koala in as an effect on one of the FX busses or on the master. You can route the track straight to the spot where you put Koala using the button under Output on the right of the part screen. Mute any other tracks and start playback. Now you're ready to record in to Koala.

In some cases it might be just as easy to export the audio and import it into Koala by the time you go through all that.

Thanks @wim, as you said, I think export/import might be the way to go then! I haven't verified yet, but is it possible to record into GR2s native sampler? I'm looking for a way to add a Bleep bar into the song timeline.

What I've done is open Koala standalone to record and open the same project in GR2. I record in KS, save project then re-open in GR2 to update it. This gives me the best of both worlds without. I suppose you could do the same thing inside AUM as well.

dmori · March 26

@yellow_eyez said:
something isn’t clicking for me. I have my interface recording but I can’t get it to “record during playback”

I want the track to play while I go to sampler>edit>create new sample > select audio interface> record so it is recorded to the timeline at the correct place. ; or is this not possible ?

I've done this. I've got the Connect 6 audio interface, so direct digital input to iPad. I record VSTs directly from my computer into GR2.

I have found that there's a bug in GR2 where it makes the recording sound like it's distorted and bit crushed. Happens quite a bit. Only remedy I've found is to re-record it again and see if that one is OK.

I've also found that sometime it gets the sample rate wrong - does 44.1 instead of 48. So I've had to quit/restart and this eventually seems to fix it (sometimes it takes more than one go).

There are a few other improvements I'd like to be added to the sampler also.

1) Threshold recording - so it starts/stops when level goes above the selected input level
2) Be able to see the sample window as full screen (like the record window). Currently way too small, (even on a big iPad).
3) Be able to map start/end sample to E1/E2 knobs when in slices mode.

oscillotus · March 26

@dmori said:

@oscillotus said:

@wim said:

@oscillotus said:
Is it possible to record sounds into Koala inside GR2? Let's say I want to record a Bleep bar into Koala?

Not especially straight forward, but you can do it. Put Koala in as an effect on one of the FX busses or on the master. You can route the track straight to the spot where you put Koala using the button under Output on the right of the part screen. Mute any other tracks and start playback. Now you're ready to record in to Koala.

In some cases it might be just as easy to export the audio and import it into Koala by the time you go through all that.

Thanks @wim, as you said, I think export/import might be the way to go then! I haven't verified yet, but is it possible to record into GR2s native sampler? I'm looking for a way to add a Bleep bar into the song timeline.

What I've done is open Koala standalone to record and open the same project in GR2. I record in KS, save project then re-open in GR2 to update it. This gives me the best of both worlds without. I suppose you could do the same thing inside AUM as well.

Thanks! I will look into it! I do not make use enough of standalone apps, I should!

ChrisG · March 26

Anyone else having issues with the latency in this app when using on-screen drum pads etc? I’m on iPad Pro 12,9 M1 latest iPadOS. Triggering from external controller seems fine, but practically impossible to do any finger drumming/playing using the touch screen. I’ve tried changing buffer size under audio settings, doesn’t help much at all. I don’t have this issue in any other app at all.

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