Jim Audio Groove Rider 2 - RELEASED

oscillotus

Ohh man, having the step sequencer available in the Sound view is a real treat! So much fun and immediacy Especially with the Acid Drum rack opened!

dmori

@soundtemple said:
I'd love to see some kind of midi control of a selected parameter. Instead of midi learning everything... if you touch any UI element the assigned midi control automatically controls that UI element. Even better if it can work with relative encoders or if it can do two way feedback so that the relative encoder is updated on touch.

In the manual near the back he has given specific CC settings for different parameters (if this is what you're talking about).
If I remember correctly (only tested this out once so far) - you can map a controller and they work across each part - without having to midi learn all the time. (only 1 didn't work for me - think it was cc84 or 85)

Blipsford_Baubie

@auxmux @thatguysmitty @purpan2 @aalcantara , i emailed Dimitrij the following screen shot, along with some love and praise. 🤞

cuscolima

@soundtemple said:
The Launchpad Pro MK3 integration does indeed appear to be very comprehensive. Having some troubles working out how to navigate it all. eg: Switching to different modes. I can edit velocity & probability but can't seem to add/remove notes.

But early days, only had a quick play around with it. If I can get the hang of it I think it could be a great integration. Seems like there are some really cool features.

I'd love to see some kind of midi control of a selected parameter. Instead of midi learning everything... if you touch any UI element the assigned midi control automatically controls that UI element. Even better if it can work with relative encoders or if it can do two way feedback so that the relative encoder is updated on touch.

You can add note the same way you do it for the sequencer in mk3 but you have to press on the session button twice and have a clip loaded. To erase a note, just press the clear button on the left and choose the note you want to erase. To adapt the length, long press on the note and it turn green, you can then modify the length

wim

@jklovemusic said:

@Alfred said:
It is a feature, not a bug, me thinks.

Though I'm not sure if that's really a GR2 issue or only happens on my side, I don't see how syncing tempo is meaningful if start/stop cannot be synced.

It's just not implemented in GR2, which is really odd since it's a standard feature of the Ableton Link SDK that's very easy to implement. I can only think that Jim is focused on this purely as a host for anything you would use it for. Not a good strategy IMO, but there you have it. Maybe it'll play better with the other kids over time.

Ableton Link tempo sync is still useful without start/stop. Just not as useful.

soundtemple

@cuscolima Thanks for the tips.

@Edward_Alexander here's what I have discovered so far about LP Mk3 Integration.

Launchpad Pro MK3

• Session Mode:

  • Session button toggles Session / Edit modes
  • Press clip to toggle play
  • SHIFT+Clip enters edit step sequencer mode
  • Press session twice to toggle clip matrix vs clip edit
  • Top arrows move selected clip matrix
  • Up Down move selected clip matrix
  • Scene buttons trigger scene

• Clip edit mode

  • Scene2 button toggles Clip edit vs Performance Mode
  • Pads select notes
  • Orange scene buttons enter velocity & probability edit modes. Use rows 5&6 set set value for selected note
  • Rows 7&8 play notes including scale locked
  • Press and hold a note, then select location to add a note
  • Press ad hold a step, until green, then press a future step to change length
  • Clear + Step removes note
  • Row of buttons (above mute, solo, arm) select Bars 1-2, 3-4, 5-6, 7-8… etc
  • Up & Down buttons change keyboard octave

• Performance Mode

  • Scene2 button toggles Clip edit vs Performance Mode
  • Top 4 rows control selected MFX
  • Select MFX1-3 with Scene buttons 6-8

• Pattern Settings

  • Top 2 rows set clip length
  • Row3, pad 8 saves pattern
  • Row4, pads 1-5 select chord set
  • Row5, selects swing setting
  • Rows7-8, select scale root
  • No way to select scale type?

• Mixer Mode

  • Mute, Solo, Volume, Pan, Sends buttons - enter Mixer mode
  • Row of buttons above these are used for toggling Mute & Solo
  • Mute & Solo show VU meters on columns 1-8
  • Scene buttons switch SendA, SendB
  • Top arrows (next to shift) move selected 8 channels

• Note Mode (Select with Note button next to Session)

  • 16 buttons below 8*8 pads select tracks 1-16
  • Use LP to change octave (up / dn buttons)
  • Set scale by using SHIFT+Note (Press Note again to exit)
    • Row5: Pad1=NatMinor, 2=Major, 6=MelMinorAsc, 7=HarmMinor,
    • Row6: Pad2=MinorPent,
    • Rows7&8 set midi channel
    • Change grid note display type by Row2 Pads1-5; Pad8=Toggle Chromatic/Scale

• Chord Mode (Select with Note button next to Note)

  • 16 buttons below 8*8 pads select tracks 1-16
  • Use LP to change octave (up / dn buttons)
  • Set scale by using SHIFT+Note
  • Chord Mode details
    • Orange pads play triads
    • White columns save own chords
    • Red pad enables chord lock
    • First 5 columns form note area
    • Each row contains 5 notes of a chord

• Custom Mode (Select with Custom button)

  • Use Novation components to make layouts

soundtemple

@dmori said:

@soundtemple said:
I'd love to see some kind of midi control of a selected parameter. Instead of midi learning everything... if you touch any UI element the assigned midi control automatically controls that UI element. Even better if it can work with relative encoders or if it can do two way feedback so that the relative encoder is updated on touch.

In the manual near the back he has given specific CC settings for different parameters (if this is what you're talking about).
If I remember correctly (only tested this out once so far) - you can map a controller and they work across each part - without having to midi learn all the time. (only 1 didn't work for me - think it was cc84 or 85)

Yeah thanks, I saw those. It's pretty cool. Just not a fan of jump and catch takeover modes. Needs to work with relative encoders or have midi feedback to update midi controller to make it useful.

The novation nocturn had this thing called the speed dial, where you could just hover over a parameter (fader/knob) and the speed dial could control it. No midi mapping required. I thought it would be cool to have a dedicated cc that could control the last selected parameter. One knob to control them all!

Blipsford_Baubie

@auxmux @thatguysmitty @purpan2 @aalcantara

Regarding the LP X, I already received a response. The device is needed in order to implement support for it. If someone would send him one, he’d make it work. What an awesome Dev. I’ll pass, cause i’d happily live with this as is, but great to know that he’d do that.

RajahP

@Blipsford_Baubie said:
@auxmux @thatguysmitty @purpan2 @aalcantara

Regarding the LP X, I already received a response. The device is needed in order to implement support for it. If someone would send him one, he’d make it work. What an awesome Dev. I’ll pass, cause i’d happily live with this as is, but great to know that he’d do that.

Can you tell him we need midi import.. please

Edit.. Y’all won’t have to thank me when it transform this wonderful app.. It will be huge..

Blipsford_Baubie

@RajahP said:

@Blipsford_Baubie….

Can you tell him we need midi import.. please

Edit.. Y’all won’t have to thank me when it transform this wonderful app.. It will be huge..

I’m nobody special. There’s a GR2 page on FB, and an email somewhere. Also. I wasn’t planning on thanking you anyway 😉

yellow_eyez

=7

eross

does this work with launchpad X ? how do you set it up?

wim

@eross said:
does this work with launchpad X ? how do you set it up?

No. Discussed just a few posts up.

RajahP

@Blipsford_Baubie said:

@RajahP said:

@Blipsford_Baubie….

Can you tell him we need midi import.. please

Edit.. Y’all won’t have to thank me when it transform this wonderful app.. It will be huge..

I’m nobody special. There’s a GR2 page on FB, and an email somewhere. Also. I wasn’t planning on thanking you anyway 😉

😛

jklovemusic

@wim said:

@jklovemusic said:

@Alfred said:
It is a feature, not a bug, me thinks.

Though I'm not sure if that's really a GR2 issue or only happens on my side, I don't see how syncing tempo is meaningful if start/stop cannot be synced.

It's just not implemented in GR2, which is really odd since it's a standard feature of the Ableton Link SDK that's very easy to implement. I can only think that Jim is focused on this purely as a host for anything you would use it for. Not a good strategy IMO, but there you have it. Maybe it'll play better with the other kids over time.

Ableton Link tempo sync is still useful without start/stop. Just not as useful.

But Jim actually implemented IAA sync

And the result is he only allows his users to sync with AUM/Audiobus

Full sync is allowed, but not with OTHER HOSTS

imagine the best hardware Groovebox without midi port

cokomairena

You all really need to mail Jim

jklovemusic

@cokomairena said:
You all really need to mail Jim

I checked both the official website and manual and didn't find the email. Do you have it?

Edit: I found it under other app
[email protected]

Optahealth

@RajahP said:

@Blipsford_Baubie said:
@auxmux @thatguysmitty @purpan2 @aalcantara

Regarding the LP X, I already received a response. The device is needed in order to implement support for it. If someone would send him one, he’d make it work. What an awesome Dev. I’ll pass, cause i’d happily live with this as is, but great to know that he’d do that.

Can you tell him we need midi import.. please

Edit.. Y’all won’t have to thank me when it transform this wonderful app.. It will be huge..

Midi Import!!!!

pricklyrobot

MIDI import and MIDI Out would make this an insta-buy for me.

RajahP

@Optahealth said:

@RajahP said:

@Blipsford_Baubie said:
@auxmux @thatguysmitty @purpan2 @aalcantara

Regarding the LP X, I already received a response. The device is needed in order to implement support for it. If someone would send him one, he’d make it work. What an awesome Dev. I’ll pass, cause i’d happily live with this as is, but great to know that he’d do that.

Can you tell him we need midi import.. please

Edit.. Y’all won’t have to thank me when it transform this wonderful app.. It will be huge..

Midi Import!!!!

It will be crazy..

wim

I'm tempted to email Jim myself to beg him to add midi import just to stop @RajahP bringing it up every single day. 😂

soundtemple

Just curious what does everyone want / need midi import for anyway?

Edward_Alexander

@soundtemple said:
Just curious what does everyone want / need midi import for anyway?

I have no idea. I think I tried importing a midi file into Atom 2 once, back when it first came out, just to try it.

jwmmakerofmusic

@soundtemple said:
Just curious what does everyone want / need midi import for anyway?

Yeah I don't know why either, but I guess it can be a useful feature for some users.

cokomairena

@soundtemple said:
Just curious what does everyone want / need midi import for anyway?

I was going to make the same question, midi out I can get, but midi import?

purpan2

@Blipsford_Baubie said:
@auxmux @thatguysmitty @purpan2 @aalcantara , i emailed Dimitrij the following screen shot, along with some love and praise. 🤞

Excellent! Thanks.

wim

@cokomairena said:

@soundtemple said:
Just curious what does everyone want / need midi import for anyway?

I was going to make the same question, midi out I can get, but midi import?

I would rarely use it but can think of a few reasons why others would:

• If you have a library of midi loops such as drum grooves, as a fast way to get going.
• If you compose mainly in another app but want to reuse clips in GR-2, or to freely experiment with lots of different apps.
• For importing exports from apps such as the Lumbeats drummers that don't play particularly well with others.

I could probably come up with some others if I tried. People don't usually repeatedly ask for things that they don't have solid reasons for wanting. MIDI import and export is always widely requested when apps don't have it, so I assume I'm just not typical. 😎

KRPT

Without plowing through the many pages in this thread, is there a hankering for an iPhone version from the kids out there? I messaged Jim about it and he said it wasn’t planned but that if there was enough interest he might be keen

jklovemusic

@wim said:

@cokomairena said:

@soundtemple said:
Just curious what does everyone want / need midi import for anyway?

I was going to make the same question, midi out I can get, but midi import?

I would rarely use it but can think of a few reasons why others would:

• If you have a library of midi loops such as drum grooves, as a fast way to get going.
• If you compose mainly in another app but want to reuse clips in GR-2, or to freely experiment with lots of different apps.
• For importing exports from apps such as the Lumbeats drummers that don't play particularly well with others.

I could probably come up with some others if I tried. People don't usually repeatedly ask for things that they don't have solid reasons for wanting. MIDI import and export is always widely requested when apps don't have it, so I assume I'm just not typical. 😎

It is just the very basic musician RIGHT to move your midi and audio around different platform and apps. That’s why I ask for full Ableton Link too.

Edit: it is like bitcoiners saying “not your key not your coins”. Same for musician that not your midi not your music.

jklovemusic

Having a fully modular system hosted by AUM is great but there is a reason why semi-modular systems exist. Nothing is perfect

All in one hosts like GR2, Drambo, SAND all feel like semi-modular hardwares too me and there must be some way you can combine multiple source to get the final result.