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Errr, could someone please confirm that those FF Filters at $29.99 are at the discount price? Or is it just those at about £14 for sale?
Yes, a couple normally sell for $39. Pro L and Pro MB as I recall.
Tempted by pro-mb and volcano, but christmas time, mistletoe and financial devastation, my one nephew wants some sort of mr potato head, not summoned up the courage to ask the others yet, maybe if I put off seeing them to the new year, I could utilise the january sales, then grab me some sweet, sweet fabfilter love. I'm just kind of glad pro-r isn't out, as my sister would never speak to me again, I could always buy a big spud, call it a traditional christmas this year.
Well, sarcasm not withstanding, I regret some of the spur of the moment buys (ReMaster, jGeffects, VoiceRack FX and even Deregulator come to mind) they weren't $10 a pop or anything. And things like DDMF's NeveEQ I would've still bought if I had the FF EQ because of its different character.
I have to remember that the iOS music scene can skew your perspective since the VST/Desktop DAW version of FF Pro Q2 & Pro C2 (basically the same program & algorithms) are $180 a pop. That certainly makes me less weepy about any half assed app buys...
But I'm an admitted app junkie so take what I say with a grain of sea salt.
Well the main advantage of using Fabfilters in Auria is just the simplicity of the workflow. You get none of the flakiness and weirdness of IAA or AU. Self-contained Auria projects that don't use external instruments or effects work fairly reliably. It's once you start introducing third-party stuff that instability tends to strike, in my experience anyway.
Please excuse my ignorance, but what makes these Fab Filters, Timeless 2, Saturn, etc. so great? Are they more for mastering refinement? And not really so much for weird noise fiddlers like myself?
I just watched a video on Timeless 2 that so many rave about. I mean... it sounds nice and all, but I don't see how it's all that much better than a dozen other delay/timing apps. I'm not dismissing it, but I don't see why these Fab Filters get such top billing over less expensive one-offs. Especially compared to those that are also AU like the RP-1 RF-1 apps.
However, I totally get the disdain for buying every new app that comes down the pike, that you end up buying because there was so much initial hype on this forum. I've got a good dozen or so of those that I regret buying... that I bought simply because most here were raving about them.
On a side note, you mention Deregulator. That one is really frustrating. It's like it has/had so much potential, but turned into a gawd-awful and offensive mess, that appears to also be abandoned, and yet the dev still puts it on-sale every now and then instead of bothering to fix it.
I think it very much depends on how you work. I use Auria as the heart of everything I do, so the IAP plugins make a lot of sense, partly because they are stable and work really well (much better than AU or IAA) and you can run more of them.
You can actually do some serious sound mangling with Timeless and Volcano, but honestly I would only buy any of the Auria IAPs if you really use Auria a lot, like I do.
Agree 100% about Deregulator. That was my point in my first post about this: I want to support devs, I see all of these apps early on with just a bit of feedback but figure they're cheap so get them, then a great idea is either executed poorly or worse the app is gimped from jumpstreet.
It is just a lesson that all apps aren't created equal. Which I think is the answer to your question about what makes FabFilter apps so special . They are just very well made, and coming from the Mac/PC VST, etc pro realm they have a great reputation.
I can hear with Timeless 2 a big difference from let's say Duplicat (which is still a cool little app, especially as an AU). I love tape delay but getting a convincing old school EchoPlex or Elvis '50's slapback tone is easier said than done. A lot of "tape delay" effects just roll off highs as the delays repeat and there's more to the effect than that.
Last night I was playing my Stratocaster thru BIAS thru Timeless and with Sony 7506 cans I could hear these beautiful warbles and random changes to the delays but that were just heavy! Man, I have the 7 tone mod on my Strat so I can get the bridge/neck Tele position and on a quick slapback it sounded like Danny Gatton or Scotty Moore.
I think the FabFilter stuff is just pro quality, in that Waves class and maybe beyond. That's just my opinion though ...
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Okay, thanks for that. I'll wait and see what Santa brings.
Following your earlier advice, and agreeing with Skip Hunt's sentiments, I think they Pro MB is the one that I would actually use, and understand. AU suits me fine for most other tasks, or IAA FX apps. I am doing more with Auria, but not enough to justify a major spending spree.
@richardyot & @JRSIV I don't doubt you. I guess it's that I don't really use Auria Pro a lot, and don't really feel all that comfortable in it. That's not a criticism of the app. Apart from my aggravation with how the dev handled the upgrade to Pro, the 3 versions etc.... putting all that aside, I DO recognize that it's a solid, pro-level DAW worthy of it's praise.
I think what I need to do is just double-down and learn the dang thing. I've only been into iOS apps for less than a year. Less than a year ago, I had absolutely no clue at all about any of this stuff, I just knew that I wanted to learn.
Now, I know a little more and have become much better at learning/deciphering iOS music app logic. I haven't cracked beyond the most basic levels with Lemur or Audulus 3 yet, but I've learned enough that I can at least build useful tools with those. I'm coming along nicely with my recent purchase of TC-Data too. And Dhalang MG wasn't the most intuitive app to wrangle either, but I can now at least effectively use and control 80% of that app too.
Last night I was trying to clear out apps I'm not using much. Some of them I remember being too baffling to comprehend when I first bought them and had given up. So, I tried them again now that I've got more experience with iOS music app lingo/syntax/logic. And, I found they were now perfectly understandable.
So, I'm hoping that when I try to tackle Auria once again (soon) that I won't hit as many learning roadblocks. I'd very much like to be able to command AUX and custom automation, time stretching and morphing.
I'm not a guitar player or tune-smith. I'm not a drummer, nor do I play any instrument at all (though, with enough booze and blues, I can fake some decent harmonica playing)
With this in mind, if you were going to buy just one (maybe two) of the Fab Filters that are currently on sale, which one or two would it be (in order of preference)?
The only IAP I've purchased from Auria Pro is the video importer.
@skiphunt The best way to learn Auria is just to learn about mixing in general. Once you can grok what compression and eq etc do then Auria is much easier to understand. The single best resource I've found would be this:
The Producer's Manual
But I've read a few books on mixing, maybe that background knowledge also helped.
After that just read the Auria Manual:
http://auriaapp.com/Support/user-guide
AUX, automation, time stretching are all really easy concepts to be honest. You should pick them up quite quickly.
As for which plugins to buy, Pro C2 and Pro Q2 are the bread-and-butter essentials, and Timeless is lovely.
Skip, you and I are in roughly the same boat. I, too, find Auria a little off-putting. Partly that's because before the recent update that incorporated a dedicated midi keyboard, it was just such a hassle, and in the meantime I took up with Cubasis, which is very very friendly.
In fact, I would say Cubasis is actually fun. That means a great deal. The studio, as is common knowledge today, is an instrument. And people tend to gravitate toward instruments that are rewarding or enjoyable to play. Cubasis is fun to play. At the moment, I have it in my head that Auria is SERIOUS. Obviously that's my problem, and not Auria's. But without these Fabfilter plug-ins, I see no reason to fight my way into the app when Cubasis is perfectly hospitable and rock solid. And likable.
So my big question is to decide whether these plug-ins will not only make my music sound better but will be enjoyable in the process. I suspect it will, and that I'll be migrating from Cubasis to Auria. Which reminds me: Is it easy to batch import Cubasis stems into Auria??
I suppose yes, it is.
Well just bought saturn and this video is why :
Man I want that reverb then I'll be set on iOS apps unless a gamechanger comes along.
I'm finding sympathy with what Skiphunt and ExAsperis99 are saying here. For those of us coming at it from backgrounds that do not include formal training with musical instruments, or studio expertise, AP is not really intuitive the way that Cubasis manages to be. Not that Cubasis is without its own set of frustrating niggles.
As for the filters, yes they do sound fab, but... I think part of it is that the cost, while so much less than the desktop versions, is so much more than the average IOS FX app. Apps that, in many cases, are excellent. For example, is Timeless really 10 times better than an AU or IAA equivalent?
Also, wanna mention to guitar players that after a ton of money spent on Tonestack and the others, I only use Saturn nowadays for my 'amp simulator'. The Tube preset is fantastic, as well as the guitar amp section with a little in-app eq tweaking.
I find myself using Saturn for my guitar parts more often then not. But I also have OverloudTHM, just in case.
Or is it twice as good and by the time you've used it five times etc etc. All of which is subjective (of course). And it's also a matter of relative value: Here's a sauce which is OK, does the job, and here's one that makes your food delicious. What's worth what? Depends if you use a lot of sauce I guess....
Well imho I like them a lot but there not magical they will not turn bad music into good music by just adding them. They won't make you understand how to use Auria better are make you a better musician there just audio effects that are better than average to some myself included.
Hey @Nkersov & @ExAsperis99 You COMPLETELY misinterpreted my post. I never said AP was "off putting" etc. I'm 100% happy with my purchase and believe it to be the state-of-the-art with regards to iOS DAWS.
I'm also not saying the Fab plugins aren't worth every penny. It's just that they're not cheap (by iOS standards) and I wanted someone who was more experienced with Auria Pro to tell me why some of these are better than the rest, ie. better quality sound, richer and fuller? Maintain the integrity of your source material better? Better and more sophisticated control?
Auria Pro is a top-class iOS DAW. I can clearly see it's a well-built and designed professional DAW that I MUST take the time to learn properly. That is in NO way a critique of the app. It is merely recognition that for big-boy tools, you're gonna have to put in the time to learn them. It's not an easy, intuitive toy. Nothing wrong with the audio toys either, I have loads of them now that I dearly love. But for refined, sophisticated mixing, etc. I'm going to have to put in the work to become skilled with this professional tool.
I've heard over and over again accolades for Timeless 2 and Saturn. I'm going to watch a couple more videos and see if I can see/hear if it's something I really need or not before the sale ends. If I could see specifically and exactly the characteristics that make these better than the typical iOS apps that do roughly the same thing, it'd make the purchasing decision much easier.
Really have to put the brakes on buying just because everyone on this forum is going nutty for one app or the other. I do understand that because several apps really get me excited and are overall fulfilling for me like Shoom, Dhalang MG, etc. I've got to start getting serious about ONLY buying the tools that will make what I do better. And start spending more time mastering what I already have.
I hear @ExAsperis99 on the Cubasis vs Auria thing. I just came from a background where I used ProTools alot and when I got into iOS and did some research on the iPad DAW's well Auria was the most like PT.
I knew of Cubase, Digital Performer, Reaper, etc, where the more MIDI friendly DAWs, and Cubasis was in that mold. Auria has evened up the features with MIDI now but then they were more like apples & oranges.
Well, you did say
I didn't mean to misconstrue what you said. I used a cracked version of ProTools to make musique concrete back in the day, and THAT is complicated but also just wonderful to work in. And I never even scratched the surface of its capacities. But too many times in Auria, I find myself puzzling over IAA routing or dumb things like how to reorder tracks. It's not Gadget, that's for sure.
But after watching that Saturn video, I am all in.
Sale ends December 31?
Out of interest, do the PSP plugins ever go on sale? Interested in Old Timer and MicroWarmer
Yeah, I'm interested in Old Timer or the Spring Reverb. Already have Microwarmer and the Fabs minus DS and Gate.
So...Old Timer or Spring Verb?
IAA itself is plain bad: it really, pardon me to speak it bluntly, sucks. It reminds me of using SoundFlower on the Mac: those were nightmarish days. I dream of iOS VSTs, or at least AUs that work as reliably as Auria plug-ins (only @brambos achieved this level of performance). But Apple doesn't make it easy for the developers either.
It's fairly reliable in Cubasis, I must point out. OR...semi-reliable?
I think the reason for this sale is FabFilter plans to release Pro-R in january. That one I'm going to buy, regardless of price tag.
@ExAsperis99, semi-reliable perhaps: I have Cubasis as well, and the AU performance is exactly the same as with Auria Pro: acceptable (better than IAA, not taking in account its inherent advantages) but not as good as VST (that is, Auria plug-ins). Again, Bram Bos AUs work without a hiccup, so it's doable if a lot of effort is invested. But if Apple released it better documented, it would surely be accessible to more developers with less effort. Imagine running multiple instances of DPP (or even Drum Session) with Auria!
P.S.: worth noting AUM or Cubasis doesn't have the ultra large buffer setting of 4096 that Auria offers. That would make a difference if Apple let AU use this buffer size, but it's locked with 512 frames (Cubasis, Auria) or 1024 (AUM, but I skeptical AUM really uses 1024; I think it displays it, but internally uses 512 like the others).