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Roland Zenbeats by Roland Corporation (Auv3)
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https://articles.roland.com/using-zenbeats-to-track-vocals-for-the-first-time/
@MatthewAtZenbeats
https://forum.audiob.us/discussion/45499/synthmaster-2-for-ipad-arrives-no-compromise-port-of-synthmaster-2-9-vst-au-aax-synth#latest
Is Zenbeats using the latest version as described in the Synthmaster discussion linked to above?
/DMfan🇸🇪
Hallo, bei Zenbeats für IOS bekomme ich immer wieder Tonaussetzer mit Verzerrungen, das Problem tritt in unregelmäßigen Abständen unabhängig von der CPU-Auslastung und dem verwendeten Auv3 auf! auch größere Puffereinstellungen haben hierauf keinen Einfluss! Ich benutze ein IPad Air 3, unter IOS 14.7 ich habe das Problem mehrmals dem Roland Support gemeldet, aber noch keine Lösung des Problems erhalten... wer hat noch das gleiche Problem? oder kennt eine Lösung
”Hello, with Zenbeats for IOS I keep getting sound dropouts with distortions, the problem occurs at irregular intervals regardless of the CPU load and the Auv3 used! even larger buffer settings have no influence on this! I am using an iPad Air 3, under IOS 14.7 I have reported the problem to Roland Support several times, but have not yet received a solution to the problem ... who else has the same problem? or knows a solution”
-Google translate
@MatthewAtZenbeats
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Really annoyed by the Zenbeats browser not sorting my User loops Numerically/Alphabetically like I know it works on my older iPad, any ideas @MatthewAtZenbeats?
How were those loops added to your user library?
Hi @MatthewAtZenbeats !. Good to see you around here!
I wonder if you guys are working on an update, new features…. Could you maybe give a teaser?.
Cheers!
Also waiting
+1
It has been very quiet for a while now from the Zenbeats team, except for soundpacks dropping now and then. Too quiet to be just bug fixes IMO. I wonder what is cooking in the camp over there? ZC2 with full editing possibilities? A new improved Sampleverse? More hardware integration? Better implementation of MIDI cc when using controllers?
/DMfan🇸🇪
Hi guys. Apologies for the silence. We have been working on new things but I'm not at liberty to discuss specifics.. not even a teaser, at this time :-) I love reading about the things you guys want us to work on though as it's always helpful! Keep it coming and I'll share more when I can.
Cheers!
Does anyone know if it is possible to record audio into a fixed number of bars like you can with MIDI loop cells? There does not appear to be an option to do anything but freeform recording but I thought I would check to see if anyone had a way to fix the number of bars up front like you can when recording Garageband audio loops.
There is not currently in Loopbuilder, but that has been something we've discussed adding.
Thanks for confirming @MatthewAtZenbeats . I’ll try mapping a controller to stop to avoid recording too many bars.
Finishing the UI design? 😈
Let's talk design. @ervin What parts of the app seems unfinished to you? Feel free to DM me if you want to have a discussion outside of the thread.
@0tolerance4silence I'm a fan of having multiple color choices. Are you referring to color themes or color choices of things like tracks/patterns?
I'm fine with the design, always have been OK with it and it has been improving over time. No way you can please everyone when it comes to UI design.
Oh you are kind, I do appreciate it, but don't mind me about the design, Matthew.
To me, the entire Zenbeats UI looks like a half-done mockup. That's what it reminds me of. I can't help it. But I do realise this is really subjective (I'm basically just saying "I don't like it"), and I don't think my stylistic preferences should be considered in any way. So I said it in jest, not as serious feedback. I'm sure a lot of your users find it fantastic.
But if I have your attention, I have one comment of substance as well. Please try and make the various packages and subscription options simpler. They are convoluted to the point of appearing to be unclear on purpose. I'm sure they aren't but I can't imagine they could not be simpler than this.
Good luck with Zenbeats development!
Thanks man! I totally get everyone has different opinions on design and workflow, but things that are cumbersome or in this case confusing are things that I want to hear about. FYI, I totally agree, and that needs to be addressed for sure.
Can you give me some examples on touch difficulties you're having?
Noted. Thank you!
@MatthewAtZenbeats Love this app, but my biggest gripe with the UI is not so much the pure UX of it (which is probably less “subjective”, as it’s to do with how people use it in a practical sense) and more to do with the visual look and feel, which as has been noted is very subjective. As an interface designer, though, opinionating about aesthetics is what I do
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My only suggestion regards the faders and it's functional, not cosmetic. Faders can be pretty small on small devices, which is fine, but the vertical motion that moves them doesn't have to be limited to the actual screen real-estate they take up. In other words, you can need to slide your finger farther than the fader's length to move it top to bottom. This allows for finer adjustments even when screen real-estate is limited.
Knobs already work this way. It could be extended to faders. Some apps have a nice way of scaling the sensitivity according to how far off of the knob or fader you move your finger. On top of the fader, the scale could be 1-1, but if you move your finger to the left or right, the length the fader moves decreases.
A little hard to explain, but it would make all sorts of adjustments, especially faders, easier.
Not that Zenbeats is bad in that respect, IMO.
This is all immensely helpful. Thanks guys!
+1
Very good observations. All these small details makes a whole. In another thread regarding Zenbeats I suggested using a similar UI as the Roland MC- series to ”connect” the products to each other. Now with the Verselab integration maybe the Verselab UI would be better, I don’t know.
I just feel it would make sense to use a similar really thought out layout as other products from a company, to form a ”brand UI”.
Great job with the product now for a long time!
/DMfan🇸🇪
@MatthewAtZenbeats regarding the UI. Have you ever considered letting users modify the UI via their own CSS? (Themes). I believe it shouldn’t be too difficult and some great stuff would come out of it. I believe Atom2 has done just that and users have contributed some excellent themes.
Font family and size, color schemes, borders, shadows, etc, etc. If you can’t please them all, let them choose their own.
UI is such a personal matter. I like how Zenbeats looks “unpolished”, If you excuse it’s sort of ugly in a good way, reminds me of a hardware device. I can see how some people dislike it, just like I don’t click with the polished feel of apps like BM3.
I think the cross platform UI causes a very different look. A look that most people find strange as they are used to the platform native look. I think Jebni gave very good feedback. You should probably consider involving someone like him.
From my user perspective I can say that the usability of the UI is good but the looks aren‘t. I do not really like any of the color themes. For instance, with Cubasis I think many workflows are slightly more difficult than in Zenbeats, e.g. editing Midi notes or drums, but its UI is much more appealing although I believe it is a cross platform UI, too. The Zenbeats look is kind of vectors and lines that are drawn, neon tubes while Cubasis looks like UI components.
I like very much that in Zenbeats you can scale the UI freely - one of the cross platform advantages. The drum editor is very nice - would be great if it would have mappings for popular drum apps. The iOS folks are very keen on a modular approach where you can connect and combine anything. Compared to AUM you feel suddenly quite restricted in Zenbeats. It would be great to add more routing capabilities for audio and Midi. Midi FX AUs that are sequencers or Midi generators should be first class citizens and not treated as an effect only for the track they are loaded into. See like AUM has got a dedicated track type for them.
Controller support is missing. Many iOS users are doing live performances and for that purpose want to use a pad controller like Launchpads. Very often you want to run a touch based instrument like Samplr in the foreground and control the clip launching with a piece of hardware. Yes, you can Midi learn but then you are missing the visual feedback of the controller. Same is for mixer controllers. Cubasis’ out of the box support for Mackie and HUI was a big win. Same as the high quality time stretch algorithm and the side chaining.
+1 on routing and controller support.
Routing: open up the busing system. Buses as output or sends. Buses as track inputs. That would allow a send fx track with multiple chained fx, for example. Also group tracks. Plus many other options. Would put Zenbeats ahead, only Auria has enabled this so far.
Controller: Mackie and HUI +1. Maybe also a starter script like implemented in Atom2, where you can create custom control scripts on startup. Use case: I have a launchkey mini mk3 which I can use in AUM through a Mozaic script. That won’t work in Zenbeats as the daw won’t listen to Mozaic when it’s hosted on a track. So a global script of sorts is needed to control Zenbeats and provide visual feedback (2 way communication with controller). As with my previous comment on opening up custom CSS, being able to program your custom startup script like Atom2 has done, would be the most flexible and future-proof way to keep adding devices. There’s some very competent people in this forum that would provide very interesting scripts.
More on controller… do not limit control mapping to Cc messages (allow notes, of changes or others).
Possibility of sending midi message (program change) on scene trigger to sync external gear (Digitakt for example sends and listens to PC on pattern change).
Zenbeats is one the DAWs i like to work in from time to time when not in Cubasis , but the fun only lasts for few minutes, issues being :
1.The UI as stated by many above.
Colours, particularly contrast, too many dark regions and working on it at night time could be hard on the eyes.
For example if you have just few tracks, the zone bellow the tracks is pitch black which is very distracting.
Same for the mixer and drum rack editor.if you double tap on a pad, you only see it’s sequence and a large black region below.
The handles used to scroll, down at the bottom does interfere with the iPads dock line.
Instead of the huge black region, some thing similar could do
Midi editor and timeline :
One thing i’ve noticed with iOS DAWs is that when writing automation, there’s no center line : for example doing a pitch automation, you don’t know if you are going up or down and it only shows percentage or random values and not semitones.
Having a center line as reference would also be handy.
we should be able to place the playhead anywhere in the midi editor and timeline to preview our sequence without having to wait. i don’t even understand what the green vertical line in the midi editor is for
Would be nice to have different size window for the midi editor and not just full screen, like for example being able to see your timeline and midi editor on the same screen like with the mixer faders.
This also goes for the Drum rack and audio editor. instead of it going full screen.
Mixer Knobs too small and volume meter too large and too many black regions.
i believe Zenbeats would really be on the if these few things are ironed out.
You do know that Zenbeats has different color themes right?
Yeah. i have tried them all and find “Silver” to be good for my eyes but still a bit dark around it. maybe it’s just me.
One additional thing to try (in case contrast is too high) is to go to settings, accessibility, display... and enable 'Reduce White Point' that will give everything a bit more laidback contrast.
But I agree in the case of Zenbeats Roland should consult someone involved in visual and UI ergonomics...
(I've deleted it from my iPhone 8, it's practically un-usable for extended periods of time).