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They are completely different and not competing, I would like both. For me the iPad pro isn't a pro tablet but an iPad Max, but looks great, (laptop killer? No, you'll still need another computer to use it...iTunes? I have to transfer files using a shopping app?).
They would work great for me side by side.
Surface is young and of course we'll see more touch apps developed. I hope it does well because it will mean the iPad pro will grow quicker too.
I love my iPads, but music apps aside, I could do some actual work on a surface pro. The thought of doing any real work on an iPad with its file management and storage restrictions...well I hope that one day Apple lets us use our devices properly, they are great devices but won't be pro until they aren't hobbled by the company
As Sebastian said. And in a nutshell........ If you can afford it, get both?...
Where Specs of hardware, and features of software have their place, it is neither that ultimately matter, it is what you do with the tools that counts. Also, what looks good on paper doesn't necessarily work out in reality,.Take a step out from the technology and look at the artistry for a moment.
Seasick Steve, Man what he can do with his foot, his voice, and a 3 stringed guitar. Very low spec, but very high quality output. Same thing with Ed Sheeran, guitar, voice and looper, number 1 singles all over the world, and an amazing live performer.
My point is, find what tools work for you and use them to make the art you want to.......It doesn't matter one bit what specs the tools you use have, it is whether they work for you or not.
Two totally different devices marketed and designed for totally different purposes by companies that could not be more different.
Microsoft is a software company and makes little profit (if any, depends on who you believe) from its hardware. The primary purpose of the Surface is to convince people that a tablet should run the same blotted expensive high markup software that your desktop runs. Its really a laptop with touch pasted on top, but its designed to be both keyboard and mouse friendly, this is actually required for easy usage of almost all of the software. Can you image only having 32GB on a Windows system? More memory means more space for MS software. The goal of the Surface is to keep you living in the past and stuffing large expensive software on your tablet.
MS is totally terrified of cannibalizing its two 1000 pound gorillas, Windows and Office or spending the billions and total redesign needed to make them really touch optimized. Its actually much more political too, the Windows and Office groups in MS have enough power to push whatever they want since their profits push much of MS total profits.
Apple sells hardware and released the iPad to build a whole new computing and software environment with a ton of very inexpensive, user friendly and easy to use software that will sell expensive high markup Apple hardware. iPads accept keyboards, but it was reluctantly and took a while. They are totally mouse hostile, any one ever seen a cursor on an iPad? iOS and many of the Apple rules are designed to ensure that developers develop software optimized for touch and multitouch that is small and power efficient. The iPad is pushing its users into Apple's view of the future. The best software on the iPad is not made by Apple.
Steve Jobs on cannibalizing you own products: "If we don't cannibalize ourselves, someone else will." Apple has a long history of trashing it devices and software for reasons we often don't know or agree with SMH.
A device is just hunk of cold metal or plastic until you start running software on it. The software makes the computer, not the hardware, its only there to support the software. The specs mean little when you run a massive blotted piece of old software on it. Windows 10 is 9GB for 32 bit and 11GB for 64 bit, thats twice the size of iOS. Office is nearly 4GB and costs over $70 a year or about $200 for a version, you'll need to pay to upgrade. You also need all that memory just for common apps.
On iOS a non-music user can easily get by on 32GB and 1GB of memory. Pages, Numbers and Keynote take about 1GB of space total and are free with your iPad. They are not as powerful as the Office apps, both sets of apps do way more than 99% of users will ever need.
If there was no iPad I'd probably buy a Surface in a second, but as a lightweight laptop, not a tablet, but I wouldn't know that if there was no iPad (would there even be an Android tablet?)
The more competitors Apple has the better there products will need to be. I believe the reason Apple quality has been slipping is because none of their competitors are making any money in Apple's iPhone or iPad markets.
Didn't see any benchmark results either, especially for the Surface 4s that cost less than $1,299.00
What are specs without performance benchmarks?
Apples and oranges. As some have already suggested:
ios = much less expensive devices & software, music making by connecting individual apps
touchscreen computers like surface pro= much more expensive device & software, music making through comprehensive daw hosts and plugins
Personally, more and more I find myself gravitating back to my computer DAW because it provides an enclosed environment that provides one stop shopping, and in which basic things like MIDI connections and sync, and routing audio are non issues. So I see the attraction to touchscreen laptop/tablet type devices like surface pro. Best of both worlds. But I wouldn't want to give up the crazy, fun, creative stuff on the ipad. There are no patterning, fugue machine, earhoof, navichord, sector equivalents on the computer.
Next t-shirt.
I definitely haven't replaced my air 2 with my Pro 3, though the Pro 3 is changing the way I use iPad. There aren't any DAWs any where near the power of Bitwig on iOS including the ones on the horizon. This is obvious, there's really no comparison. And touch on Bitwig is easily as good as touch on the best of any iOS DAW. So my use cases for iPad have shifted to using the apps that aren't DAWs on iPad, shipping WAVs into Bitwig, or playing the many great instruments on iOS into Bitwig.
Allow me an honest n00b-sector question: How's Bitwig as regards ease-of-use?
Pretty damn slick. Shout out also here to MTS on Surface Pro, which I'm shipping iOS MTS projects into. Steeper learning curve than Bitwig, but if you've settled into the iOS version, you're ready because it's the same except it runs omnisphere etc...and there's a feature set that includes selective multi-track audio and midi editing, and a bunch of other stuff...
Specs my arsenal. Specs are a totally Microsoft thing. Look at those specs even though all they do is make the OS bloated.
Where are the apps for mr specs Surface Pro? I heard that silence! If you want specs buy the SP. However, if you want to make music with insane apps then no contest just buy the iPP
I have to agree with most of the points raised, but I do believe they are in direct competition just converging from different directions, hence the strengths are different between them, but they are both heading in the same direction, remember XBOX, PS, how far apart are they now?
Specs.
The only specs I really need are the ones that help me see the screen!
iPad Pro 2.....
http://www.14oranges.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/09/iPad-Pro-fun-pic-001-768x1024.jpeg
You're too kind. It was a trolly OP.
Ars Technica put up specs and the Surface beats the iPad Pro in some areas and lags in others.
Thing is, specs and benchmarks are purely abstractions when we're talking about different systems, you know? If they were both running the same OS and the same software, then specs and benchmarks could hold meaning. Or to keep it in nerdy terms: specs are data but without any sort of use parity, specs aren't actually information.
That's really interesting to hear about Bitwig. On a Pro 3 no less. Could you give us a sorta real world scenario with regards to how much you're getting out of it? Like, which model are you using, how many tracks, which VSTs choke it, interface...
Because, like you and others have said, Surface/MS isn't going to replace the music app ecosystem on iOS any time soon but a super deep ~$1k mobile DAW with good touch support is definitely, to me anyway, worth knowing more about ($500 SP3, $300 Bitwig, $200 I/O).
When I first saw people using their iPads to take photos, I thought it was just weird. But once I tried it a few times, I could definitely see why people did it with regards to composition.
I can understand wanting the overall quality of the front camera to rule, particularly with regards to low/crappy light, but 8mp sounds like a Skype killer!
the collective kindness has been known to win over the trolliest of them around here. ;-)
Also that scenario of SPro 3 + Bitwig is compelling. Any youtube links?
If you are going to keep your iPad why get a Surface instead of a more powerful desktop or laptop? I just saw a deal for a desktop Dell with 4 core i7 CPU, powerful graphics, and 32 GB of RAM for $699! It even comes with Windows 7 which is the most stable Microsoft OS, but if you want you can update to Windows 10 for free.
It's the Pro 3 with i7 processor, 256g 8g ram, with Windows 10 installed. So the $ math is different. Surface 4 and Surface Book were about to drop and similar processor and ram costs at much as $700 more. Deals for this package on Pro 3 are under 1k, not including Bitwig, and will continue to fall.
Interface in Bitwig is lovely, and also getting tweaked steadily, there's been 3 updates since it went live.
I haven't had any synths choking in Bitwig (Serum, Diva, Bazille, Falcon, Diversion...some synths don't have a multicore setting, so big pads with polyphony can be an issue on a couple odd patches in Circle2). VST are variously touch enabled, which hasn't bummed me out, using a wireless mouse is the most fun workaround though the trackpad or pen would work till the devs step up.
My tracks aren't numerous but I have had those 5 synths going at once, with some as clip launch tracks while others run arrange tracks, with plenty o' fx, and modulations.
A couple of vids that might be of interest...
Great site on using Surface Pro for music:
http://surfaceproaudio.com/
Demo of Bitwig on Surface Pro 3
Those virtual knobs look so tiny. The app looks great but I can't quite coincide my drawing brain with my musical brain, maybe I'm just not fleksible enough. I'm sure it will find its deal of fans though.
The guy with the fat camera is having a proper workout. Haven't they heard that gopro can do hd? It just looks wrong.
The ipad pro is running ios7 The windows surface is running a full version of windows 10 therefore you can run desktop apps like Fl studio, Ableton Live etc! Not to mention the high specs!
I took a look at the surfaceproaudio guy's vid about Surface Pro 3, which w/Bitwigs own demos helped convinced me to buy the hardware. it's nice to have the link to his site many thanks.
The 4, and the Book are of course even "more better" as my students say. But already owning Bitwig, and getting into last years hardware was as much insanity as I could afford.
Thanks for the breakdown @Littlewoodg. I'm thinking it the future a bit when I say $1k. I'd bet by spring.
iPP is iOS 9 only
it'll be sweet, still in the box, (and the Microsoft boxes have gotten much cooler
What's the use of a railroad ,without rolling stock
Good question, one that has rolled around in my brain since I saw the Bitwig prototype stuff with Thavius Beck. I think it was really about touch implementation. I liked Bitwig already, the company and their software, and I liked Thavius Beck already too, come to think of it, his music and his work as a teacher. (Plus he's a local hero) When I got the email about the Bitwig touch release and saw the videos from Bitwig I flipped out. My PC (refurb - Groupon special very reasonably priced and keeping up with vst except for the 5 previously mentioned) had Bitwig on it and plenty else but after a few years on iPad I use it less and less, slow boot and no touch screen. Windows 10 helped, music stuff is really well sorted but.
But it is touch that made me jump into Surface and why I keep using iPad. I want enough processing power for big synthesis, and an object I can play. I found out late in life that I test tactile/kinesthetic, beyond just massage for loved ones. I want to be Somewhere between the first laptop I used for music, and a piano/sax/guitar/Arri. iPad is a start and Surface Pro too, each in their way. So the groupon toshiba is in the rearview...More will be revealed ahead. What's f-ing cool about iPad is that even if it takes 8 apps to do what I like, it's about 45 seconds to get it running from a cold start mostly thanks to Audiobus, and I'm not doing any less of it since the new hardware, just seeing less of my wife and child. Another cool thing is projects from MTS for iPad (4 instruments in, in 45 seconds via AB, slices too from 4g of fresh samples in AudioShare, from Electrfy NXT, Mitosynth, the menagerie of stems hecho en iPad) to MTS for Windows (Bazille, ACE and Breaktweaker, with play surfaces as cool in their own way as Bitwig, and 196 kHz and 140 audio ins...).