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Took a break from working on next album to clean my ears out with this remix of iOS musician Mike Vasas. Sampled and chopped up in Samplr and Auria pro
Nice rendition, @RedSkyLullaby. Interesting the way you took a disco funk tune and turned it into something that could have been done by the Human League or Erasure. Listen to the original and your remix one after the other was like time-travelling from the 70's to the 80's.
@richardyot nice tune, loving the slide guitar. Definetly more Neil Young then Stone Roses. My only slight criticism would be it seemed a bit one paced and perhaps you need to insert a bridge just to break it up a bit.
@Reid Thanks for sharing this song. If the vocal chords of Mr Bowie & Richard Hawley had a love vocal chord child, it could be you. It's a cool funky sounding tune & am looking forward to hearing your remix of this & your future electro swing offering. Intriguing.
@richardyot I love “Distant Thunder.” I’ve played it many times and like it more every time. I have no critique about performance or production—I just hope to emulate it in my future work.
The lyrics suit the song, but IMHO I think that you (and others in this forum) might want to think more about lyrics. As that is what people have always praised more than anything else in my songs, I’m happy to share my approaches to writing lyrics. And I’m also happy to shut up if it is inappropriate to the SOTMC.
@theconnactic Another really good song, although I must admit I prefer “Nervoso.” As with that one, you mix it up in your arrangement. It’s great, but the music in “Nervosa” is more my kind of thing.
I have a question, though. Why did you waste all that time moving the 22 tracks? Why didn’t you just play them all at once? : )
@reid thanks for the feedback - if you have any crits of the lyrics feel free to share. Or indeed if you want to share your approach then I think that would be interesting to hear.
Thank you very much for the compliments, @Reid. Answering your question: if I had decided to mix the song in Garageband, where the recorded tracks are, I'd take weeks to do it, because garageband doesn't really have any mixing tools e.g.: a mixer (!!!). So I had to do it using Auria Pro, but there I encountered another obstacle: Garageband cannot export individual tracks, neither one by one, even less all at the same time. No "export as stems" or "bounce all tracks" option. Thus I had to resort to soloing each track in GB, then use "open with" to export the whole song (since the track is soloed, it is just like exporting this track, except it takes a lot more time). After doing it 22 times, the number of recorded tracks for "Suplica" (a drums track, a bass track, ten synth tracks and ten guitar tracks), I opened all at the same time in Auria Pro using "import files" and mixed them, them imported the mix to a new project to apply some further EQ, compression and loudness processing (most call it "mastering", IMHO incorrectly). Sorry for the long paragraph.
Dimitri.
P.S.: there is also a curious bug, either in GB or AP, that required me sometimes to export the song twice with "open with" so the resulted file appears inside Auria.
P.P.S.: you may why didn't I just open the track in Logic and finished it there, since it would take me a fraction of the time. Well, first, because I intended to push my mobile recording capabilities to the limit with the given scenario (starting a song in GB), and also because I was in my in-laws at the time, they don't have any Mac or PC there and neither did I, since my iPad is my only laptop.
@achromus
Rather opportunistic in style and perhaps gratuitously lumpy in a knowing way. I don't think it would enable me to express myself through the medium of dance. Also, I think it should be considerably faster and I think it really should be in F sharp minor.
Perhaps more is needed, or may be less ?
I'm glad you noticed the 'lumps' - though I would prefer them described as 'clumps'. As for dancing: I think your comment says more about your inability to dance like a fool than my music. I was dancing while making the track - I was a little drunk.
I will increase the tempo of next month's track considerably as a result of your valuable feedback. Though I'm afraid I can't do anything about the key as I can't find the black notes.
I think I owe @achromus an apology, because my feedback was poor and unconstructive. I'm not sure if that's behind the satire above (not necessarily) but it doesn't really matter. I should be more careful when I post, and that crappy post has actually been on my mind so this is a good opportunity to say sorry.
I made it my policy to give feedback to every track posted here, but I think there are times when I would do better to skip the odd track. Sometimes I simply don't have anything constructive to say and that was one such occasion.
Someone on internet takes moment, considers comments, publicly adjusts thoughts, demonstrates simple humility. Internet is confused/astonished, but promises to follow example maybe etc.
No apology required. Your point was that Gadget has a limited sound palette which is clearly true. I actually found your critique more useful than most since, like most forums, comments tend to be overly positive at the expense of usefulness. Everything I'm doing at the moment is WIP so ideas are welcome.
I'm not saying that just being nice is an issue - I do it myself - but I think there are quite a few very positive comments where there are some obvious issues. Your comments seem to me to be constructive so no problem. I don't comment much - I just don't have the time - so I'm not really in any position to preach so the 'bit of fun' between igneous1 and I is just a silly comment on forums generally - at least from my point of view anyway.
@JohnnyGoodyear
@achromus thanks for the clarification I appreciate it. It's tricky to find the right balance between back-slapping and constructive criticism. The truth is everyone responds to criticism differently, but generally people respond much better to positive feedback (surprise!) than to the negative, so its important for SOTMC to find the right balance. It's actually great that there is so much encouragement here already, but I'm often critical - in which case I need to make sure it's done in a constructive way, rather than just being cranky.
Agreed.
@achromus, lol, totally understand where you are coming from with the too nice comments. I do stand by what I said about your piece, I really loved it. The difficulty for me is twofold. One, I am commenting on music that is not really my forte. That I enjoyed a piece of electronica like that is pretty good for me. The second is, I look at pieces from the point of view of overall cohesiveness, flow, mix, what they make me feel, and their ability to keep me interested from beginning to end. Any obvious mistakes, musically. But after that, we're really getting into opinions. Could I say you could have done more with your structure, melody? One can always do more. But it was good how it sat, so I wouldn't say I'd be adding anything by telling you you could do more. From my point of view, I'd call that piece done, unless you have a very specific something to add/change. But again, that's my personal opinion, and doesn't affect the fact that I think the track is very good as it is.
And to me, that's valuable feedback as well. I agree sometimes the comments sound very glib. I wish folks would take a bit of time to really listen and see how they feel. But a positive review is valuable as well. It indicates success.
Someone listened, nodded their head, and said, yes indeed.
@richardyot
Achromus and I have known each other for years, we were just having a bit of a laugh - at our own expense, primarily. He makes some good points though.
I completely agree. It's nice to be nice and it's always great to get positive feedback. My only issue is when there are clearly issues but some don't mention them. richardyot's comment about my track maybe needing hooks was useful. It is WIP so there is probably stuff needed and his comment has made me think. Your comment sounded like you'd actually listened to the track properly which I suspect might not always be the case with some.
Interesting debate!
I feel bad about your long answer, although it was very interesting. I was just making a dumb joke about what a great musician you are. You can play live on "Nervosa"? One take? Why not record all 22 tracks of this one at once? Don't be a slacker.
Lol, @Reid! Thank you!
My lyric writing tip of the day.
As a writer, your goal is to avoid all clichés. You want to use unexpected turns of phrases. One way to do this is through skillful use of rhyming dictionaries. Certainly there’s no reason to take a minute and go to a free site like RhymeZone and check it out. I’m sure most of you have done so. But as with everything else, there are tools that are free and there are professional tools that cost money.
For years I’ve used a program called Masterwriter. I use it on PC, but the latest version is in the cloud and can be used on any device. It has capabilities that others don’t have. For example, all rhyming dictionaries will provide you with a perfect rhyme—for “Heart,” they’ll give you dozens of words like “art.” Where they all will differ is with how many words they give you and the quality of what they suggest. This matters, because when you write you are searching for that one perfect word, and it is a big deal whether you find it or not.
Masterwriter can also give you a “close” rhyme (park, sharp), or a “wider” rhyme (starve, scarred, radar) or an “X-Wide” (shards, barks, scarves, graveyard, etc.) Rhymezone can do these kinds of things too ("homophones") but I don't think it is as good.
Some rhyming dictionaries will give you phrases as well as words. Rhymezone has “complex body part,” “culinary art.” Masterwriter gives you “a fresh start,” “play your part,” “jump start.”
It comes down not to whether a tool has a feature or not, but to the quality of the result.
I just put up a song called “Birds of Prey.” I found this phrase while looking for a rhyme for a rhyme on Masterwriter. From that point I asked myself the question: “What kind of people act like birds of prey?” And I was inspired to write an entirely new song. A good rhyming dictionary isn't just a tool to help you finish a song. A good rhyming dictionary can inspire a new one.
As I was getting ready to post this, I discovered that there are a lot of iOS rhyming dictionaries and songwriting apps. There are even some “how to write a song” apps. I am always looking for an excuse to waste money on a apps, so I posted that as a separate thread. @richardyot has already responded that Masterwriter 3.0 only sells for $9.95 a month these days. That is unacceptable. I wonder if there is still a way to get 2.0 and pay just one time.
Hopefully we will soon find out that there is a great rhyming dictionary on iOS.
@Reid Personally I'm quite fond of half-rhymes, precisely because they are less used and can be more surprising, and also I hate to be a slave to the rhyming dictionary, so if a half-rhyme gets me closer to what I want to say then if it's infinitely preferable to a perfect rhyme that misses the mark. In some cases I completely ignore rhymes in favour of meaning and/or emotion. I would argue that meter is probably more important than rhyme in fact, rhyme is a useful device because it helps to make the lyric memorable and gives a certain flow, but it's still subordinate to meter, meaning, and feel IMO.
Meter, Meaning & Feel. Law firm of the day....
Evening all, good to be back. Have been working hard to get a tune done, v sorry I haven't commented this month but is next on my list.
This is my latest. Done in Auria Pro. I used, deep breath, Fieldscaper, Vocalstack, Sunrizer, Cream, Beathawk, all the sodding Fabfilter plugins I could get my hands on, and finally Egoist which I'm falling in love with all over again. Oh, and a bit of Sector which I could never get my head round but have finally started to (in a v basic way). I'm happiest that I actually started to get a handle on some very basic EQing which has always been a foreign language to me. It's a bit busy in places for what is meant to be a minimalist tune but I hope u like it.
Another golden oldie..actually..it was my first full track in gadget and released on my first album as touch conspiracy on mobius spin records ( google and download for free)
howdy folks,
Really digging this forum for a while, so many great tips and sounds !
here's "eyes open"
done with some of my faves triq traq, patterning, auria, and a smidge of GB.
cheers, baddy
@badrico Welcome to you. Let's get to it: This reminds me of how effective a sound the mouth organ can be there at 30 seconds. Pulled me right in after I'd decided exactly what this was all about when I hadn't really got a clue and then EXACTLY the same with the voice, which I like a lot, good words, good delivery, good doubling up, just good. Might like it a hair louder in the mix. I take it this is the album cut
Song ends at 4.30, but I was enjoying it enough that I was pleased it kept bubbling along to 6. Auspicious debut there Mister.
Hey, @badrico! Nice composition: I liked specially the riff just before the vocals kick in, and the harmonica riff just before that. Also enjoyed the small breakdown at 3'3''. Nice mix: very balanced. Well done!
Hi, @crouchie! Enjoyed your song a lot! The treble percussion instruments and noises are the highlight of this song IMO. I didn't find it too busy at all, and wouldn't recommend any changes to the arrangement: each instrument sits just fine. Congrats!