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But you can wag your chin about it. Gotcha.
I messed up the link
https://en.m.wikiquote.org/wiki/Emma_Goldman
It's such a small world now
Are you local?
Orwell
1949
Franz Kafka der Prozess 1915? Or die verwandlung?
One as spooky as the other
Lol
Now we have everything from Gandhi to Kafka on one page
Sample what you like I guess
Mmmm...do you have a solution to prevent it?? I'm all ears.
I guess it starts with a little trust and not with suspicion.
You see suspicion is all around,
First I was told I didn't understand the music, then it was sugested I may be a racist , then I was a nazi and then I was told I should shut up because I am privileged, lol
Ain't that real sweet?
Well what does it tell you?
I gave up on this thread a long time ago, but sir, if you find yourself in a hole? Stop digging.
Deaf ears. Deaf ears.
What does it tell US? Wow. And you think Americans are obtuse.
^^ took a while lol, obtuse (blunt )isn't the word I had in mind, rofl
I didn't say that, you said that,
But ymmd rofl
Well it tells u nothing, I thought so
Have a nice day
I've heard you bid adieu, about 3 pages back. Maybe this time, you'll keep your word and dash.
You are imagining things.
there is a beat by DJ Premier that I like a lot. it ended up being used for The Notorious B.I.G.'s Ten Crack Commandments but originally it was made for Jeru The Damaja which is interesting considering B.I.G. is pretty much the antithesis of Jeru The Damaja when it comes to the lyrics and the messages of their tracks.
from what I've read, The Notorious B.I.G. asked them for the beat and Jeru The Damaja let him use it saying "it's hip hop".
also, there goes this story that Public Enemy's Chuck D sued Dj Premier for using samples of him counting from 1 to 9 taken from PE's Shut Em Down because he was not happy to appear on a track giving advice on how to get money selling crack.
and there really was a lawsuit but things were a little more complicated.
http://hiphopdx.com/news/id.18962/title.chuck-d-explains-why-suing-the-notorious-b-i-g-was-stupid-and-why-jay-z-and-kanye-wests-bases-are-corrupt-to-rap
anyway - classic DJ Premier beat. I love the sample of Les Mc Cann's beautiful Vallarta (can be found here):
here's the instrumental:
and here the track with Biggie Smalls rapping over it:
as an african american- I personally find hip hop to be a lost cause since the amazing innovation of the 90s - it has collapsed into the monolithic slaps of untermensch thugs that justifies and maintains police brutality and racial unrest- it should be and must be abandoned or radically change before racial progress can be possible- meanwhile a legitimate and intelligent group of african american artists - the makers of Detroit Techno and Chicago House - still go unknown- these are the artists the black community should have embraced and promoted to drive the culture- not the thugs- just my view-
how can a 'cause' be lost?
I've heard similar statements said about African Americans, do you subscribe to that?
did hiphop begin in the 90's
how did you come to the conclusion that thugs drive african american culture, thugs are criminals aren't they.
also you prefaced your comment with 'as an african american- I personally', ... which is it, are you speaking for african americans or yourself personally?
are you talking about two different kinds of music when you say innovation of the 90's and what it's collapsed into or are you talking about the same genre of music in both instances.
how do 'thugs' justify police brutality and racial unrest?
what should be abandoned before racial progress can be possible, are you talking about hiphop?.... are you implying that hiphop created the racial problems you see?
there's so much conflation in your post I'm just trying to keep up.
I said it was just my own view- gangster thug culture and behavior is the ONLY culture that has been promoted by hip hop since the 90s- are there any non-thug non-violent hip hop artists on the charts recently? I am unaware of them- even the dancey pop stuff is rife with thug imagery- apologists for hip hop are always talking about this vast diverse cultural movement with many aspects- not just poverty and gangs and male dominator sexual exploitation- but WHERE IS IT? [there was a missy elliot record a few months ago- no one noticed] maybe fans of this music know about the obscure experimental artists who embrace intellectualism- non-street aesthetics- and avoid the thug memetics- but it is not widely promoted - to me the entire culture was only valid from the 80s- 90s- everthing after that has diminished african american culture and life-
and- I said this thug thing justifies police brutality because - since the ONLY aesthetic coming from hip hop culture is the criminal thug- virtually all african american youth are
dressed and behave like violent thugs- this creates a situation that exacerbates and justifies racism in the minds of law enforcement- and makes all other efforts to cultivate social justice much harder-
I agree. Time to play more UR
I liked the Detroit Berlin connection, sure kicked my ass and mind.
I posted UR - Berlin stuff here before, in case nobody noticed...
Chuck is the last guy I can ever imagine pulling that shit. I hope it's not true.
_thanks for clarifying, the first thing you said was as an african american so I wasn't sure if that distinction was as important as what you said afterwards.
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gangster thug culture and behavior is the ONLY culture that has been promoted by hip hop since the 90s- are there any non-thug non-violent hip hop artists on the charts recently? I am unaware of them- even the dancey pop stuff is rife with thug imagery- apologists for hip hop are always talking about this vast diverse cultural movement with many aspects- not just poverty and gangs and male dominator sexual exploitation- but WHERE IS IT? maybe fans of this music know about the obscure experimental artists who embrace intellectualism- non-street aesthetics- and avoid the thug memetics- but it is not widely promoted - to me the entire culture was only valid from the 80s- 90s- everthing after that has diminished african american culture and life-
**_I hope you're not implying that I'm an apologist for hiphop, I just know the difference between gangster rap/thug music and music that is not. for example you seemed to elude to knowing the difference between different forms of house music in your first post... I'm no different than you, I know the different forms of house music, but where we differ is that I also know the different forms of rap music.... I'm surprised that you don't...... I'd also like to ask why are you giving hiphop artist the responsibility of what the charts promote, to my knowledge radio and billboard promote what they want to promote?..... I'd also like to know why you define rap music that is not about gangsterism and sexual exploitation as 'experimental', I'm asking because in all facets of life and music I personally define anything that is not about gangsterism and exploitation as just that, something that is about what it is..... it never dawned on me that not being about gangsterism equates to being experimental?...... do you do the same thing with gangster movies, or if I'm following you correctly is it only black gangster movies that you do this with?
in regards to diminishing african american culture and life, I believe you are equating gangsterism to african american culture, gangsterism exist outside of african american culture and gangsterism diminishes the lives of anyone who indulges in gangsterism, this includes non-african american gangsters such as white gangsters, brown gangsters, red gangsters, and yellow gangsters. If the point you are trying to make is that crime and criminality diminishes the life of the public then I concur but it does not sound like that is the point you are making_**
unfortunately you lose any credibility with this statement, first of all crime and racism are two different things, secondly you said virtually all african american youth dress and behave like thugs. this is a lie, and I submit to you that it's racism that exacerbates racism, and that there is no such thing as justification of racism
the way you cultivate social justice is through equality. you start your equation with equality and you end it with equality, otherwise your math is at fault.
Aargh are we back to square one > racism again?!?
I can't believe I am having this conversation ...
this is beyond stupid ...
in any place where gang culture is alive and well, the gangsters and the non-affialetes can tell with both eyes closed who's a gangster and who's not, why can't you?
Gang culture what kind of culture is that supposed to be?
i shoot you before you shoot me and then I am going to tell your ppl how oppressed I am and that it's the circumstances and not me pulling the trigger.
Rofl
Srsly?
you say the culture was only valid from the 80's -90's but again clarification is needed because again, it sounds like you are talking about two different things. from the 80's-90's gangster music existed, just as it does now... and just like now non-gangster music existed.
I don't know what you are basing your distinctions on, somehow you're making distinctions for the 80's-90's but not making any distinctions now.... in regards to rap music, as far as house music your ability to make distinctions seems to be still in tact.
The topic of the thread is rap. Racism is a stark reality in the US, and hip hop delivers the most honest perspective on that subject. So any conversation about hip hop will necessarily involve a frank conversation about race and racism. What the hell are you lingering in a rap discussion / thread for, if the topic is distasteful to you?
There's the virtual door.
racism has always been beyond stupid, it's good to talk about it especially in regards to music.