Rapping deconstructed

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kobamoto

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u0421793

The interesting thing about that Grandmaster Flash and the Furious Five video is that it seems to be 4:3 format stretched out by youtube uploading incorrectly to 16:9, so they all look a lot wider and fatter than they probably were back then — unless the video was shot a few weeks ago!

kobamoto

no telling with that one.... love that group though, no other rap group performs like them, it's like all of their performance moves are made of anime poses

betamax999

Haven't read through all 16 pages of this, but I'm detecting a fair amount of negativity being thrown at hip-hop/rap. A lot of it seems to be based off of a general ignorance of the genre/culture on a larger scale, which is kind of a bummer though. But I'm not here to argue in its favor, cause that would be a waste of time. People are gonna (dis)like what they choose to (dis)like, and it doesn't behoove me making any effort to change that. To make a long story short, everything I've just typed was just a roundabout excuse to allow me to post links to these tracks because I really like them and because I've spent the past 7 days in my pajamas.

So maybe watch/listen to those if you feel so inclined, otherwise just keep on keepin' on. I think I'm going to go change into a different pair of pajamas now.

kobamoto

"Past 7 days in my pajamas"

best ever.

u0421793

@betamax999 said:
Haven't read through all 16 pages of this, but I'm detecting a fair amount of negativity being thrown at hip-hop/rap.
…

Actually, I’d estimate it at 80% pos, 20% neg, so far in this thread.

betamax999

@kobamoto said:
"Past 7 days in my pajamas"

best ever.

Perhaps given the proper circumstances. Alas, this wasn't the fun kind of 7 days in pajamas. Maybe if I'd worn my Batman onesie instead of the other pajamas things would have been better, but you know what they say about hindsight and babies in bath water and all that...

betamax999

@u0421793 said:

@betamax999 said:
Haven't read through all 16 pages of this, but I'm detecting a fair amount of negativity being thrown at hip-hop/rap.
…

Actually, I’d estimate it at 80% pos, 20% neg, so far in this thread.

We'll never mind me then. Still a (somewhat tenuous) excuse for me to link to some songs I like. Plus I only read about 3 or 4 pages of the thread, so the math kind of works out.

kobamoto

kobamoto

@betamax999 said:

@kobamoto said:
"Past 7 days in my pajamas"

best ever.

Perhaps given the proper circumstances. Alas, this wasn't the fun kind of 7 days in pajamas. Maybe if I'd worn my Batman onesie instead of the other pajamas things would have been better, but you know what they say about hindsight and babies in bath water and all that...

, in that case may things get better and may the next pair of jams have super powers.

betamax999

@kobamoto said:

Doomtree is my jam. Well, more like P.O.S. I'm not as familiar with their output as a group.

kobamoto

they were doing the lets be our own support team way back before most, now putting a collective together is kind of just expected

kobamoto

kobamoto

I recently went and saw kid koalas Nufonia Must Fall and it was surreal... dope

betamax999

@kobamoto said:

@betamax999 said:

@kobamoto said:
"Past 7 days in my pajamas"

best ever.

Perhaps given the proper circumstances. Alas, this wasn't the fun kind of 7 days in pajamas. Maybe if I'd worn my Batman onesie instead of the other pajamas things would have been better, but you know what they say about hindsight and babies in bath water and all that...

, in that case may things get better and may the next pair of jams have super powers.

Thanks. Life sure can be a fun time, and I use "fun" in its original ancient Mesopotamian context, where its meaning was closer to "Ugh...another day. Is there any legitimate reason that I HAVE to leave the bed (not counting toilet trips)? 'No,' you say? Well then I won't." But I'll save all that nonsense for my memoirs. I don't wanna be the one responsible for derailing the thread entirely.

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@kobamoto said:

@setAI said:
I said it was just my own view-

_thanks for clarifying, the first thing you said was as an african american so I wasn't sure if that distinction was as important as what you said afterwards.
_
gangster thug culture and behavior is the ONLY culture that has been promoted by hip hop since the 90s- are there any non-thug non-violent hip hop artists on the charts recently? I am unaware of them- even the dancey pop stuff is rife with thug imagery- apologists for hip hop are always talking about this vast diverse cultural movement with many aspects- not just poverty and gangs and male dominator sexual exploitation- but WHERE IS IT? maybe fans of this music know about the obscure experimental artists who embrace intellectualism- non-street aesthetics- and avoid the thug memetics- but it is not widely promoted - to me the entire culture was only valid from the 80s- 90s- everthing after that has diminished african american culture and life-

**_I hope you're not implying that I'm an apologist for hiphop, I just know the difference between gangster rap/thug music and music that is not. for example you seemed to elude to knowing the difference between different forms of house music in your first post... I'm no different than you, I know the different forms of house music, but where we differ is that I also know the different forms of rap music.... I'm surprised that you don't...... I'd also like to ask why are you giving hiphop artist the responsibility of what the charts promote, to my knowledge radio and billboard promote what they want to promote?..... I'd also like to know why you define rap music that is not about gangsterism and sexual exploitation as 'experimental', I'm asking because in all facets of life and music I personally define anything that is not about gangsterism and exploitation as just that, something that is about what it is..... it never dawned on me that not being about gangsterism equates to being experimental?...... do you do the same thing with gangster movies, or if I'm following you correctly is it only black gangster movies that you do this with?

in regards to diminishing african american culture and life, I believe you are equating gangsterism to african american culture, gangsterism exist outside of african american culture and gangsterism diminishes the lives of anyone who indulges in gangsterism, this includes non-african american gangsters such as white gangsters, brown gangsters, red gangsters, and yellow gangsters. If the point you are trying to make is that crime and criminality diminishes the life of the public then I concur but it does not sound like that is the point you are making_**

and- I said this thug thing justifies police brutality because - since the ONLY aesthetic coming from hip hop culture is the criminal thug- virtually all african american youth are
dressed and behave like violent thugs- this creates a situation that exacerbates and justifies racism in the minds of law enforcement- and makes all other efforts to cultivate social justice much harder-

unfortunately you lose any credibility with this statement, first of all crime and racism are two different things, secondly you said virtually all african american youth dress and behave like thugs. this is a lie, and I submit to you that it's racism that exacerbates racism, and that there is no such thing as justification of racism

Huh? What?
it's an image problem
Gangsta ish isn't helpful.
And I don't need big emotional loaded words that to explain this.
Let's cut the bs here.
Want a ?

Icepulse

@lala said:

@kobamoto said:

@setAI said:
I said it was just my own view-

_thanks for clarifying, the first thing you said was as an african american so I wasn't sure if that distinction was as important as what you said afterwards.
_
gangster thug culture and behavior is the ONLY culture that has been promoted by hip hop since the 90s- are there any non-thug non-violent hip hop artists on the charts recently? I am unaware of them- even the dancey pop stuff is rife with thug imagery- apologists for hip hop are always talking about this vast diverse cultural movement with many aspects- not just poverty and gangs and male dominator sexual exploitation- but WHERE IS IT? maybe fans of this music know about the obscure experimental artists who embrace intellectualism- non-street aesthetics- and avoid the thug memetics- but it is not widely promoted - to me the entire culture was only valid from the 80s- 90s- everthing after that has diminished african american culture and life-

**_I hope you're not implying that I'm an apologist for hiphop, I just know the difference between gangster rap/thug music and music that is not. for example you seemed to elude to knowing the difference between different forms of house music in your first post... I'm no different than you, I know the different forms of house music, but where we differ is that I also know the different forms of rap music.... I'm surprised that you don't...... I'd also like to ask why are you giving hiphop artist the responsibility of what the charts promote, to my knowledge radio and billboard promote what they want to promote?..... I'd also like to know why you define rap music that is not about gangsterism and sexual exploitation as 'experimental', I'm asking because in all facets of life and music I personally define anything that is not about gangsterism and exploitation as just that, something that is about what it is..... it never dawned on me that not being about gangsterism equates to being experimental?...... do you do the same thing with gangster movies, or if I'm following you correctly is it only black gangster movies that you do this with?

in regards to diminishing african american culture and life, I believe you are equating gangsterism to african american culture, gangsterism exist outside of african american culture and gangsterism diminishes the lives of anyone who indulges in gangsterism, this includes non-african american gangsters such as white gangsters, brown gangsters, red gangsters, and yellow gangsters. If the point you are trying to make is that crime and criminality diminishes the life of the public then I concur but it does not sound like that is the point you are making_**

and- I said this thug thing justifies police brutality because - since the ONLY aesthetic coming from hip hop culture is the criminal thug- virtually all african american youth are
dressed and behave like violent thugs- this creates a situation that exacerbates and justifies racism in the minds of law enforcement- and makes all other efforts to cultivate social justice much harder-

unfortunately you lose any credibility with this statement, first of all crime and racism are two different things, secondly you said virtually all african american youth dress and behave like thugs. this is a lie, and I submit to you that it's racism that exacerbates racism, and that there is no such thing as justification of racism

Huh? What?
it's an image problem
Gangsta ish isn't helpful.
And I don't need big emotional loaded words that to explain this.
Let's cut the bs here.
Want a ?

I want @Sebastian to see just who he's confabulating with, about shutting down the thread. Are you seeing this? This crap is outright racist bull****.

"virtually all african american youth are dressed and behave like violent thugs"

?!?! WTF? This remark alone constitutes prompt discipline. It's bald-faced racism, compounded by condescension. "Want a cookie?" Are you kidding?

If moderators want to squash any ill will or hostility in this thread, just boot this loser, because his / her blatantly offensive ignorance is the singular reason for any discord. Hell. Just look at this!!

[Deleted User]

I think it means a young black guy in a hoody may look scary?

Meh

Not everybody is as articulate in a touchy subject ...

carol

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@lala said:
I think it means a young black guy in a hoody may look scary?

Meh

Not everybody is as articulate in a touchy subject ...

Not everyone is as diplomatic as you...................................

[Deleted User]

lol, yes the topic is deconstructing words
Oh ppl here in this topic complained about my language, rofl
Please seabastian make lala shut up he is so offensive and confrontational

u0421793

Look, let’s keep contentious issues out of this — it should be just about the music.
Anyway, here’s a thing I thought might amuse:

funjunkie27

I doubt I look that menacing in my hoodie.

hacked_to_pieces

@Nathan said:

I suppose the one difference is that a part of black America has adopted the gangsta look and ethos.

Lol

http://picturesofwiggers.tumblr.com

[Deleted User]

@Nathan said:

@lala said:
I think it means a young black guy in a hoody may look scary?

For that matter, young white and Asian guys in hoodies can look equally menacing, especially in groups.

I didn't say this is what I think. ^^

[Deleted User]

@funjunkie27 said:

I doubt I look that menacing in my hoodie.

Lol, more popcorn?