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  • edited May 2016

    I have no idea wtf she sampled here? Bach?

  • @lala said:

    I was looking for a Nicolette acoustic gig, but can't find anything
    It's hard to find anything pre Google

    I knew it, you're a secret old skool b-boy, I understand now why your so p*ssed about modern hip hop, extra baggy trousers went out of fashion.

  • a walrus with poor mic technique, :) you never know you might start something new.

    I love how the whole instrumental hiphop thing is turning into less restrictive arrangements, drop vocals when and where ever or not at all if so inclined.... end a song with some vocoding anything and everything goes.... especially now that sampling has gotten secure enough in itself to not care any longer whether it only came from vinyl or not.... it's good to be free.

  • @mister_rz said:

    @lala said:

    I was looking for a Nicolette acoustic gig, but can't find anything
    It's hard to find anything pre Google

    I knew it, you're a secret old skool b-boy, I understand now why your so p*ssed about modern hip hop, extra baggy trousers went out of fashion.

    :D

  • edited May 2016

    @mister_rz said:

    @lala said:

    I was looking for a Nicolette acoustic gig, but can't find anything
    It's hard to find anything pre Google

    I knew it, you're a secret old skool b-boy, I understand now why your so p*ssed about modern hip hop, extra baggy trousers went out of fashion.

    Rofl, that's not so secret, I ve been telling that all the time.
    But ppl screamed me down - you don't understand the music, lol

  • there are some rappers out there who can't handle skinny jeans, I tell'em that's almost as bad as going full Race-tard, but you know rap is still young, rock got over that eons ago

  • edited May 2016

    so what you really meant to say instead of 'the one difference' is 'the none difference_'
    cool, I stand corrected.

  • edited May 2016

  • edited May 2016

    That sequential circuits synth is a peace of shit, I had one of those :D
    I had the model that came after that, didn't make it any better :#

  • @kobamoto said:
    a walrus with poor mic technique, :) you never know you might start something new.

    I love how the whole instrumental hiphop thing is turning into less restrictive arrangements, drop vocals when and where ever or not at all if so inclined.... end a song with some vocoding anything and everything goes.... especially now that sampling has gotten secure enough in itself to not care any longer whether it only came from vinyl or not.... it's good to be free.

    I could become the modern barry white of hip hop, then again barry had the sort of smoothness my rough edges couldn't carry off. Not having to worry about 8mb limits and floppy disks is pleasing and the noise, clicks, pops and hum would drive me mad unless it fitted in with the song, which sometimes would actually be the best part.

    Maybe hip hop is so old now it's entering into its free form period like jazz, I like the experimental arrangements to listen too, but they can be a mare for mixing as my left hand keeps me from developing turntablism skills, as it refuses to listen to me. Some of the controllers now though are mind blowing how expressive they've got, got my eye on a roli keyboard. It is a fantastic time to be making music.

  • @lala said:

    @mister_rz said:

    @lala said:

    I was looking for a Nicolette acoustic gig, but can't find anything
    It's hard to find anything pre Google

    I knew it, you're a secret old skool b-boy, I understand now why your so p*ssed about modern hip hop, extra baggy trousers went out of fashion.

    Rofl, that's not so secret, I ve been telling that all the time.
    But ppl screamed me down - you don't understand the music, lol

    Passes lala and kobamoto a jazz cigarette, if you give some to nathan though make sure you tie his laces to something so he doesn't float off, I'm off to get some sleep, take it ez:)

  • be easy, the rest of the world will still be here when you get back in spite of everything trying to divide us.

  • edited May 2016

  • Barry White was involved in gang culture in his teens, losing his brother in a gang clash, and Barry himself went to prison for theft. His career is a pretty good example of turning things around.

  • edited May 2016

    of course he didn't, when Barry white was on stage he wasn't a thug what did you expect?... you're literally not making a point under the pretense of making a point... Thats's like saying Tim didn't go on his show and act like the drug dealing thug that he used to be...... of course he didn't

  • edited May 2016

    @Nathan said:
    While I think of it, does anyone here watch the TV show Empire? If so, what do you think of the music and the way that Hip-Hop and Rap are portrayed?

    Obviously, all the characters are caricatures and deliberately OTT, but it there a seed of the real in there?

    of course there's allot of truth in there, like do people really take drugs yep, is there really such a thing as violence yep, are there shady business deals yep, is there sex yep, ... these are elements that have been in the music business since before the time that black people
    were legally permitted to own a record label.

    C'mon guys you can do better than this, at least make an effort.

  • @kobamoto said:
    of course he didn't, when Barry white was on stage he wasn't a thug what did you expect?... you're literally not making a point under the pretense of making a point... Thats's like saying Tim didn't go on his show and act like the drug dealing thug that he used to be...... of course he didn't

    Tim was also a rat, snitch, cheese-eater.

  • @Nathan said:

    @kobamoto said:
    of course he didn't, when Barry white was on stage he wasn't a thug what did you expect?... you're literally not making a point under the pretense of making a point... Thats's like saying Tim didn't go on his show and act like the drug dealing thug that he used to be...... of course he didn't

    >

    Not at all. The point, which seems to have sailed right over your head, was that Barry White never felt the need to represent himself as a thug. Indeed, he worked hard to develop his talent and leave criminality behind. Whereas, an element among today's acts revel in the image of misogynistic thuggery, at war with society, or at least that part of society they blame for their situation. Unlike Barry White - and many others - who used talent and hard work as a way out and a way up. A path which earned the respect that some gangstas are always banging on about, even as they disrespect women.

    actually you're missing your own point and mine as well... you're comparing apples and oranges.... here is how much sense you're making, you're comparing people who are not gangsters to people who are gangsters.... instead of comparing barry white to the cast of empire lol, why don't you compare empire to the cast of other shows like empire...., why don't you compare barry white to some other non-thug?.... why don't you compare people who enjoy sex, drugs, and rapmusic to people who enjoy sex, drugs, and rock and roll, why don't you compare people who indulge in misogyny in rap to people who indulge misogyny in housemusc, or country music, or rock music?

    the reason barry white didn't die a gangster is because he wasn't a gangster....

    lets break it down further, do you know what a gangster rapper is, it's a 'gangster' 'rapper'.
    they were gangsters before they were rappers and just because they are still gangsters and added rap to the mix is supposed to mean what...what do you think gangsters talk about when they're in line at starbucks...most likely gangsterism and coffee..... what do you expect them to talk about on a record? I mean for petes sake they call it gangster rap for a reason don't you think. why you equate gangster rap, thuggery, mistreatment of women, drugs, and promiscuity with non-like minded folk or musical artist is a mystery....
    we agree on who gangsters are but obviously we do not agree on who they are not, maybe it would help if you balanced out all of the gangster rap you listen to with some hiphop... there's allot of suggestions in this thread.

  • @Nathan said:

    @kobamoto said:
    of course there's allot of truth in there, like do people really take drugs yep, is there really such a thing as violence yep, are there shady business deals yep, is there sex yep, ... these are elements that have been in the music business since before the time that black people were legally permitted to own a record label.

    All of which is obvious, slightly patronizing, and of little relevance to my question. If you're going to reply, at least make an effort. ;)

    What I meant was, how accurate is Lucious Lyon compared to those who have achieved a comparable position? Does the Rap/Hip Hop community still not like gays? How well do Jamal and Hakeem represent the genre?

    everyone that is homophobic doesn't like gay people in the same way that people who generalize don't like whatever they generalize about. Homophobia is not a tenant of hiphop, homophobia is an affliction suffered by homophobes... Hip Hop doesn't make you a homophobe anymore than it makes you a heterosexualphobe . Regarding Lucious Lyon he's a character on a tv show... but every bad thing he's ever done has been done at some record company somewhere so it would be hard pressed for you to find uniqueness in a rap music record label based on those criteria when record labels within rap music and outside of rap music have committed every crime from extortion to murder....... unless purely by force of will that you think rap is so special that when those crimes are committed at a rap record label they are somehow more egregious then at another type of music label.

  • @Nathan said:

    Not at all. The point, which seems to have sailed right over your head, was that Barry White never felt the need to represent himself as a thug. Indeed, he worked hard to develop his talent and leave criminality behind. Whereas, an element among today's acts revel in the image of misogynistic thuggery, at war with society, or at least that part of society they blame for their situation. Unlike Barry White - and many others - who used talent and hard work as a way out and a way up. A path which earned the respect that some gangstas are always banging on about, even as they disrespect women.

    _do you really not see all of the conflict in all of this conflation....again you're conflating criminality with being at war with society..... those are two different things,
    barry white used his talent as a way out and up..... again this has nothing to do with gang banging, gangsters are trying to gang bang...that's what they do, but again you are trying to conflate people who are struggling to find a way out of oppression with gang banging. You see those people as the same but you're mistaken...... lastly the respect that barry white earned is not the same kind of respect that gangsters are trying to earn.... surely you have prior understanding of this.
    _

  • Good Morning to you.

  • @kobamoto said:

    @Nathan said:

    @kobamoto said:
    of course there's allot of truth in there, like do people really take drugs yep, is there really such a thing as violence yep, are there shady business deals yep, is there sex yep, ... these are elements that have been in the music business since before the time that black people were legally permitted to own a record label.

    All of which is obvious, slightly patronizing, and of little relevance to my question. If you're going to reply, at least make an effort. ;)

    What I meant was, how accurate is Lucious Lyon compared to those who have achieved a comparable position? Does the Rap/Hip Hop community still not like gays? How well do Jamal and Hakeem represent the genre?

    everyone that is homophobic doesn't like gay people in the same way that people who generalize don't like whatever they generalize about. Homophobia is not a tenant of hiphop, homophobia is an affliction suffered by homophobes... Hip Hop doesn't make you a homophobe anymore than it makes you a heterosexualphobe . Regarding Lucious Lyon he's a character on a tv show... but every bad thing he's ever done has been done at some record company somewhere so it would be hard pressed for you to find uniqueness in a rap music record label based on those criteria when record labels within rap music and outside of rap music have committed every crime from extortion to murder....... unless purely by force of will that you think rap is so special that when those crimes are committed at a rap record label they are somehow more egregious then at another type of music label.

    Drop the mic, bro. Bullseye.

  • Of course, each genre has its notoriety and ages later it is often shown that those actually doing the notorious were merely a small handful, whereas by the time of the next wave, everyone in the scene is imitating that prior image like a cargo cult.

    Swinging London: no more than a handful of people working at a magazine or two — everyone else just got on with life unaware until they read it in the papers the next day, then they were all at it.

    Punk: no more than a handful of people running a clothes shop or two — everyone else just got on with life unaware until they read it in the papers the next day, then they were all at it.

    Disco: no more than a handful of men in attics in Germany — everyone else just got on with life unaware until they read it in the papers the next day, then they were all at it.

    Rave: no more than a handful of people standing in a field in Hampshire — everyone else just got on with life unaware until they read it in the papers the next day, then they were all at it.

    Grime: no more than a handful of hoodies in flats in East London — everyone else just got on with life unaware until they read it in online the next day, then they were all at it.

  • @Nathan said:

    @Icepulse said:
    Drop the mic, bro. Bullseye.

    >

    It's like you guys are reading whatever you want to be true into what I say. So I'll bow out now.

    Im merely agreeing w/ the sentiment. I have no idea what your spin is on the issue. I lost track a while ago. No need to bow out.

  • @taroface said:
    "The avant-garde need not be moral."

    When you are poor and nuts you are crazy.

    When you are rich and nuts you are genius.

  • You mean "eccentric".

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