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Are you saying that 17000000 people in the UK can't count because they disagree with you?
Will go to bed now, it's late. No decent debate of issues to be had here. I'm all for people having opinions, but your just calling people names.
We all should cool down a bit, will we?
well these clever & well informed people just made the uk a ghetto
unconnected to the rest of the EU
enjoy!
R U local?
I can> @lala said:
While growing up in America the common belief on the left was that Europe is a paradise with low crime, excellent public schools, great labor laws, universal health coverage, etc. Now our media reports a rise in right wing politics due to austerity and imagration. Of course I'm painting Europe with a broad brush but this is our media's portrayal of Europe right now. I'm sure the U.S. looks bad with Trump and the racist police.
This is how Italy is portrayed by Michael Moore in his newest movie. Is it accurate?
Michael Moore............Where to start.................
App store prices are determined by the developers and Apple just takes a cut (30%). How/why would Apple raise the prices? If you're going to buy a new iDevice, that could be a different story.
ROFLMAO
That's why I'll be working 15 hours a day til 15th July. With no extra hours, no nothing, just some un payed work. That's why, those scarce time I worked, most of it it was out of any contract. It is true there are some privileged employments but most of the time, specially for my generation(20-35)which has a unemployment rate higher than 40% right now, you work whenever you can, no matter what the conditions are. Moreover if you check the Italian salaries on a gross basis they are pretty high, but once you realize that almost 50% of it goes on taxes before you can even see it...
Long story short: don't ever trust anyone with violet shirt, specially if it is a polo.
'Bout Brexit and racism:
App store prices are set in tiers based On USD amounts
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@BiancaNeve - Thanks. I read the article that you pulled the chart from. More than just exchange rates at work here.
One day we will profoundly come to know one another, totally. That process is underway a social revolution. I believe our very survival relies on this. We will trust and care for one another, that now seems insane. This is the goodness of my dream. Respect to all whom seem at opposites.
This table is outdated. At least, for Australia. It's much worse now. For example, a 6 USD app costs 10 AUD in the Australian App store. The actual exchange rate is 1.35, but for some reason Apple think it's 1.67
They don't change the price tier structure very often because they don't have too - they can rip you off later
Another example: Final Cut Pro costs 500 AUD in the Australian Mac store while the US price is just 300 USD. That's a big difference, don't you think?
How ironic, as the best way to leave the EU is to stay in England! Like other posters have said, glad I am Scottish...
Nearly all UK tech stuff is imported, so the cost will be dependent on the strength of the pound. Since that's currently in shit creek, and with Osbourne promising a budget soon with tax rises and cuts to the economy, the downgrading of the UK credit rating etc. etc. etc. UK buyers can expect their iPad's and computers to cost a lot more than they presently do.
And everything else we import.
Calling a referendum on that particular issue was like doing the electrical system in your house by yourself instead of calling in a democratically elected electrician.
It's not about being right or wrong but rather making an informed decision because on the whole people aren't knowledgeable enough.
"The best argument against democracy is a five-minute conversation with the average voter." Winston Churchill
Populism is on the rise
the £ becomes an € in their pocket on the way to Frankfurt,
I guess they are packing bags already ...
Well said Matt. Yes, America has the same problem, but sadly the world does too, we have just ignored it, in large part.
Act in haste.....
EU is big,
and UK seams unstable now
the queen will get a heart attack about this
I blame the newspapers. Although they’re all out of business now. The remaining news media are loving this. It’s almost as if they manufactured this whole scenario. They’ve got to find bad news from somewhere, to give the commuting public their daily fix of fear addiction.
This must have been risk evaluated (I’d hope?) in terms of likelihood / severity over and over and over. It’s not as if there were unplanned emergent outcomes involved, this was one of the possible outcomes, the other was the other. I doubt it could ever have happened without plausible contingency in the case such as has happened, and mitigation for when it does happen. [takes ex- project management lecturer hat off]
As if there weren’t lessons learned in letting the general public vote for the name of a boat.
Rupert and Donald, had a jolly good round in Scotland I heard.
The problem is that Europe never will be reformed. It was designed as a technocracy, not a democracy. Boris Johnson, should he become prime minister, can be booted out by the electorate - but no electorate can remove Junker or the European Commission. And they have a track record of ignoring electorates.
A technocracy has to at least be competent to have any kind of legitimacy, but the EU is completely incompetent: the design of the Euro, the agricultural policy, the growth and stability pact - all those things are completely flawed and none of them will ever be reformed. The Euro will fail before it is reformed.
And the reason that the EU can't be reformed is because the 28 member states will all negotiate for their own national interests rather than the good of the whole. Significant democratic reform will never happen, which is exactly why they are now trying to push the UK out as fast as possible lest the French or Spanish start getting ideas.
So while I personally completely understand the appeal of the European ideal, the ideal does not match the reality of the institution, Greece was absolute proof of that. An entire country is being subjected to depression levels of unemployment because of misplaced and unsound economic dogma. Eventually Portugal, and possibly Spain and Italy will face a similar fate, because you cannot have a currency union without fiscal transfers. In the same way that Sunderland relies on taxes collected in London, or Mississippi depends on revenues from California, the pound and the dollar are only viable because the rich regions fund the poorer ones. In the Eurozone that is not allowed and for the poor countries only internal devaluation and massive unemployment are acceptable as ways of dealing with a currency that is overvalued relative to their economies.
So while all the xenophobic dog-whistling in the campaign was disgusting, progressives also need to acknowledge that defending an undemocratic institution is also hard to justify. And that the majority of people who rejected the status quo did so because the status quo is not working for them, and while that is not directly the EUs fault, the EU is certainly a big part of the problem.
nah, its easy to blame Brussels
than you don't have to take the blame yourself ...
isnt that exactly the game they played now?
In a democracy you can blame yourself. If there is a general election in the autumn and the country decides that they want Prime Minister Boris, than that's the price we pay for being in a democracy. What I can't understand is people who want to overturn the result of a vote because they don't like it. You don't get to choose which bits of democracy you keep and which you discard because they are not to your taste.
Because a large number of those that voted are complaining either they didn't know the full facts, or were mislead by lies told by Farage and Boris. Because a large number were completely unaware the total shitstorm that is happening as a result would happen. Because the whole country is going to suffer thanks to a majority of just a couple of percent.
Because you shouldn't hand over important economic decisions like this to the general public as they are not informed or qualified to make decisions of this stature.
Because now the public know the implications, the majority wouldn't vote for Brexit a second time.
I think Britain will be just fine. I wish them the best of luck. Norway and Switzerland are not in the EU and they seem to be doing great.
Personally i think there was a shortage of facts on both sides of the debate. Neither side really had anything of substance to say. The biggest failing of the remain camp was that all they could offer was fear of the consequences of leaving, rather than trying to give positive reasons to stay. And yet there are positives, the idea of the European ideal being one of the strongest, it resonates with a large number of people. Free movement is also a massive convenience, as well as the trade advantages. But they chose to run a negative campaign.
The pound being devalued is almost certainly a good thing for the economy as whole. It will cause some inflation on imports, but it will also help to rebalance our trade deficit with the rest of the world. The reason we import so much is because the pound is so high, as the currency devalues it will automatically mean we import less, meaning we can manufacture more in the UK and export more to the rest of the world. Black Wednesday, despite all the bad publicity it caused for Norman Lamont, ended up being a good thing in the long run, precisely because the 20% devaluation of the pound provided an overall economic boost.
I have no idea if there really will be an economic shitstorm, the stock markets panicking means nothing at this stage, they panicked over China at the start of the year and nothing came of that. The pound going down is good for the country (even if it means iPads cost a little more in the UK, Dysons will cost less to the rest of the world). House prices may or may not drop, to be honest it would be good for most people if they did. We will see.
The truth is though that these debates never revolve around facts, or information, they are always emotional, that applies whether you are for leave or for remain IMO. I was a pro-European all my life, until the Greek crisis, but then I decided to spend some time looking more deeply into both the politics and the economics behind the crisis and everything that the EU did was wrong, as far as I could see. I changed my mind because behind the ideal of a united Europe I saw nothing but corruption and vested interests. YMMV of course