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Amongst the 'Leave' campaign, there is no consensus as to what this means, therefore any version of this will be a fudge, in turn leading to more discontentment. To stay would, in turn usurp the very democratic mandate, given by the referendum result, leading to discontentment. So any party involved with this poisoned chalice would likely face dire political consequences. Unless the outcome, is brought back to the people, via some form of electoral mandate, maybe creating even more chaos.
In a way, I’m starting to come round to the idea that what occurred might accidentally have been for the best. It is not what I would have advised, I’d have voted to leave the EU through disempowerment gradually and not suddenly, and certainly not now, but much later, when we’re further away from memories of a double-dip recession. From a network theory point of view, being part of a giant connected hub ensures high traffic and throughput. Disconnecting from this diminishes likely access to the “small world effect” in the Euler sense, such that a disconnected node could find itself bypassed. But actually I don’t think that is happening. What may transpire is that the EU stops being seen as the Wizard of Oz, but rather, what it really is. Who knows, we may well take a few other countries with us in support. What I think is important, now it is done, is to proceed as if the EU was disadvantageous (if we’d have won, then obviously, proceed as if the EU was advantageous, for now) and somehow demonstrate to Scotland that it would be better to stay stronger as a connected node with high throughput, and that the EU has disadvantages compared to staying as the UK. Obviously one has to run with the way it is, not the way we’d like it to be. Plus, prior to the EEC we were financially in the dumps a bit, but had quite good employment and indeed, “couldn’t get the staff these days”, and culturally we were really in there — Carry On, Swinging London, Blow Up, Barbarella (was that us?) etc. Today, much of what we buy comes direct from China anyway, and their relationship with us is evident. What happens to the Eurovision Song Contest, though?
hm, cameron didn't push buttons @ brüssel
if he or who ever comes next doesn't say we want out nothing radical will happen
but there will be more confusion
what I don't understand is how can it be that you need for such an important decision only 51% and not ¾?
this is a very dangerous game to play with ordinary resolution ...
dosent look democratic or wise to me
this isn't america and the winner takes all
its a fucking joke
Thought they'd solved that one, before we decided to set sail on the seas of high finance, by inviting a guest nation.
I'd be quite happy to put Matt and Richard in charge of things. Would be happy to help out making the tea/cleaning the pool.
Agree that there must be some good songs in all of this. Perhaps that's our small part?
Again, good and largely fair discussion.
The premise, the 'debate' and the outcome has and will be fudged. An awful rotten stench.
apple has 2 data center in Ireland and Denmark
ireland isnt EU anymore lol
great lets spy on that
lol I looked again, its not in northern ireland so its still in the EU
I feel so much safer now :P
I think the uk did fine before joining the EU if history serves us correctly...
http://ukandeu.ac.uk/fact-figures/when-did-britain-decide-to-join-the-european-union/
Also the EU is a totally different beast than it was at that time. Leaving will be like taking dreadlocks out. It will be painful at times. It will leave a bit of a mess for a time, but with sensible care, a new head of lush hair will be the result. There is more than one hair do option in life
There goes our 2 week return no questions asked.
But while we have a hair cut, does this mean the rest of the world gets a close shave or alternatively grows twenty beards?
The rest of the world has been in two minds which hair cut to get for a very long time. Just because beards are as linked to d&d and hippie music as moustaches are to 70s porn, no excuse to not party with those with beards. Still it does not mean that we all need to grow a beard and shave our hair because it is in fashion
As musicians we have, to a reasonable degree, an understanding about the cyclical nature and re-cyclical nature of music, but this very principal seems universal and I really do mean universal. Are we now seeing parallels in history repeating?
Frighteningly so. The march of the far right pushes on.
Many things in life repeat. Just as we see patterns in music, we see patterns in life. Just as we have differences in taste in music, we see different views in walks of life.
Musically, the EU is the equivalent of the old UK charts. Not at all inclusive of world tastes. Very middle of the road and controlled by money. Sold to the masses as the BIG THING, now steadily going out of fashion and seen in need of replacement. Maybe The Tube will save the day
What about the polarisation taking place throughout the world?
Polarisation can take many forms. Some positive, some negative. How do you see the Polarisation that you say is taking place?
Chaotic
Just as an aside, if anyone wants to have a clearer view of economics, which you won't get from reading the papers or watching the news, these are the blogs I would recommend.
For orthodox economics (centre-left, pro-remain):
Paul Krugman (mostly US-centric, but also covers Europe)
Simon-Wren Lewis (UK-centric and a really useful insight into UK economics)
Chris Dillow (always thoughtful and interesting)
Following those 3 will definitely give you a much clearer insight into what's really going compared to the lightweight analysis you get in the broadsheets or on the BBC IMO.
And if you're of a more radical bent, there are heterodox economists who are worth reading:
Bill Mitchell
Neil Wilson
These two are proponents of Modern Monetary Theory which is a contemporary version of Keynesianism, that relies less on mathematical models (which orthodox economists use) and more on the real-world, especially on the technical realities of money itself (how it's created etc). In my (subjective of course) opinion MMT is much closer to reality than mainstream economics, because it's less abstract and is more direct in the solutions it offers. YMMV of course.
I've been reading Krugman and Wren Lewis for about 5 years, and the MMT guys for at least two, and it's definitely given me a much clearer picture of the world and politics. If you ever had any doubt that politicians are full of shit, this is a good way to dispel it.
Thank you
Hmmm could you elaborate?
Wait, are we talking about the UK (European member including Scotland, Northern Ireland & other parties who wish to remain involved) or England, which has opted to leave in order to exit Europe?
Hey what about Wales in your question
The growth of Extremism in the 'Middle East', the growth of Nationalism in Europe, not just the UK and Election of the Republican Donald Trump to run for President, to mention a few, but all represent opposition to the establishment.
Always amuses me when I hear Cameron and Co talking about 'getting our country back' in reference to the UK.
Is this new? That could be debated. The chaos that you speak of could be part of that pattern you talk about. That pattern that we see in music all the time. Chaos? Hmmm I'm not sure I can see a major chaotic change from when I was younger, just shifts in areas of world politics that have been part of a continual change.
Would of been nice to see them take a stance against Little England, but having traveled and performed a lot inside rural North Wales, I'm (sadly) not too surprised. Some places inside Wales are really wonderful, diverse and open minded places, but in more rural places I've been refused service or assistance multiple times because I don't speak Welsh, and in some places it can be downright dangerous for non locals. Same 'anti foreigners' mentality that has unfortunately now been cultured in England, but on a more local and focused scale. This kind of thing is easy for politicians to bend to their cause.
I see by your 'Little England' comment that you have particular anti English views, so I will wish you fairwell