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  • edited June 2016

    @Fruitbat1919 said:

    @OscarSouth said:

    @Fruitbat1919 said:

    @OscarSouth said:
    Wait, are we talking about the UK (European member including Scotland, Northern Ireland & other parties who wish to remain involved) or England, which has opted to leave in order to exit Europe?

    Hey what about Wales in your question :p

    Would of been nice to see them take a stance against Little England, but having traveled and performed a lot inside rural North Wales, I'm (sadly) not too surprised. I've been refused service or assistance multiple times because I don't speak Welsh and in some places it can be downright dangerous for non locals. Same 'anti foreigners' mentality that has unfortunately no risen in England.

    I see by your 'Little England' comment that you have particular anti English views, so I will wish you fairwell :)

    We're discussing broad issues here, let's not make anything personal.
    I have a strong opinion in this case because this referendum result means that I will need to leave the UK in order to continue living with my non-eu wife, once my EU rights are stripped, but I've not no issues with anyone specific and you're welcome to your own viewpoint. I have high hopes for Scottish independence because I was born there and it would meant that I can continue living on the landmass that I was born on, if I took a Scottish Passport.

    I am British (purposely not being specific here) and have always been proud of it, I represented English and Welsh music for years at an international level. Now this country has utterly failed me and my family.

  • edited June 2016

    @OscarSouth said:
    in more rural places I've been refused service or assistance multiple times because I don't >speak Welsh, and in some places it can be downright dangerous for non locals.

    Can you list the places this has happened? As an English person who's lived in Wales for nearly all my adult life I find this extremely hard to believe. In fact I've found Wales one of the most laid back, and accepting places I've lived.

  • @OscarSouth said:

    @Fruitbat1919 said:

    @OscarSouth said:

    @Fruitbat1919 said:

    @OscarSouth said:
    Wait, are we talking about the UK (European member including Scotland, Northern Ireland & other parties who wish to remain involved) or England, which has opted to leave in order to exit Europe?

    Hey what about Wales in your question :p

    Would of been nice to see them take a stance against Little England, but having traveled and performed a lot inside rural North Wales, I'm (sadly) not too surprised. I've been refused service or assistance multiple times because I don't speak Welsh and in some places it can be downright dangerous for non locals. Same 'anti foreigners' mentality that has unfortunately no risen in England.

    I see by your 'Little England' comment that you have particular anti English views, so I will wish you fairwell :)

    We're discussing broad issues here, let's not make anything personal.
    I have a strong opinion in this case because this referendum result means that I will need to leave the UK in order to continue living with my non-eu wife, once my EU rights are stripped. I have high hopes for Scottish independence because I was born there and it would meant that I can continue living on the landmass that I was born on, if I took a Scottish Passport.

    I am British (purposely not being specific here) and have always been proud of it, I represented English and Welsh music for years at an international level. Now this country has utterly failed me and my family.

    Expressing your views would garner more support without the 'Little England' slur. To my mind it is the same as the 'anti foreigners' speak of the awful racists that exist in all countries and walks of life. I can appreciate your concerns, I have many too about much of the politics either in or out of the EU. Yes we all get angry when society forgets us and politics take a big dump on our lives, but calling whole groups derogatory names, is less than helpful. We should all try and rise above it however hard it is. Yes I know it's hard, I fail often as I slag off all polititions, which I know is childish.

  • edited June 2016

    @Fruitbat1919 said:>
    Expressing your views would garner more support without the 'Little England' slur. To my mind it is the same as the 'anti foreigners' speak of the awful racists that exist in all countries and walks of life. I can appreciate your concerns, I have many too about much of the politics either in or out of the EU. Yes we all get angry when society forgets us and politics take a big dump on our lives, but calling whole groups derogatory names, is less than helpful. We should all try and rise above it however hard it is. Yes I know it's hard, I fail often as I slag off all polititions, which I know is childish.

    I'm English. I think in a 'political correctness gone mad' world, that gives me legitimate artistic licence to make jokes at my own expense ;)

  • @carol said:

    @OscarSouth said:
    in more rural places I've been refused service or assistance multiple times because I don't >speak Welsh, and in some places it can be downright dangerous for non locals.

    Can you list the places this has happened? As an English person who's lived in Wales for nearly all my adult life I find this extremely hard to believe. In fact I've found Wales one of the most laid back, and accepting places I've lived.

    Bangor, Corwen.

    I've also seen a so many good things in Wales and have an overall very positive impression based on years of experience but in the north Wales area, but those ideas do exist there.

  • @OscarSouth, remember those vows of marriage, they speak of good and bad times and how love can transcend all.

  • @OscarSouth said:

    @Fruitbat1919 said:>
    Expressing your views would garner more support without the 'Little England' slur. To my mind it is the same as the 'anti foreigners' speak of the awful racists that exist in all countries and walks of life. I can appreciate your concerns, I have many too about much of the politics either in or out of the EU. Yes we all get angry when society forgets us and politics take a big dump on our lives, but calling whole groups derogatory names, is less than helpful. We should all try and rise above it however hard it is. Yes I know it's hard, I fail often as I slag off all polititions, which I know is childish.

    I'm English. I think in a 'political correctness gone mad' world, that give me legitimate artistic licence to make jokes at my own expense ;)

    Fair enough then. People will still not answer usually in a constructive way when confronted with such use of language. Look at Nigal Farage. He actually made the odd decent point, yet by calling the other delegates names, he lost all credibility :)

  • @Fruitbat1919 said:> Fair enough then. People will still not answer usually in a constructive way when confronted with such use of language. Look at Nigal Farage. He actually made the odd decent point, yet by calling the other delegates names, he lost all credibility :)

    I understood your position too. I was being jokingly provocative, even if I was only directly quoting Scottish politics. I do find 'Little England' to be a humorous terminology though, as a counterpoint to 'Great Britain'.

    Ah.. Great Britain. I remember it fondly!

  • @Fruitbat1919 said:

    @OscarSouth said:

    @Fruitbat1919 said:>
    Expressing your views would garner more support without the 'Little England' slur. To my mind it is the same as the 'anti foreigners' speak of the awful racists that exist in all countries and walks of life. I can appreciate your concerns, I have many too about much of the politics either in or out of the EU. Yes we all get angry when society forgets us and politics take a big dump on our lives, but calling whole groups derogatory names, is less than helpful. We should all try and rise above it however hard it is. Yes I know it's hard, I fail often as I slag off all polititions, which I know is childish.

    I'm English. I think in a 'political correctness gone mad' world, that give me legitimate artistic licence to make jokes at my own expense ;)

    Fair enough then. People will still not answer usually in a constructive way when confronted with such use of language. Look at Nigal Farage. He actually made the odd decent point, yet by calling the other delegates names, he lost all credibility :)

    Funny thing is though, Donald Trump has been doing that very same thing, multiplied, so far it hasn't halted his progress to the White House.

  • @knewspeak said:
    @OscarSouth, remember those vows of marriage, they speak of good and bad times and how love can transcend all.

    Yes. I've lost my career. I've lost any income. I'm fighting to regain any help I can get while my illness gets worse. I've lost any ability to get any meds. The system is fighting against me helping myself get back on my feet however hard I try.

    Yet, my wife is supportive and our life together is strong and we will survive and live life to the best we can. We will never give up.

    All my best wishes for you and your wife. Any help or support I can help with, I gladly will.

    Remember all, the EU and centralising laws will not change the world for the better. People working together and helping each other will.

    We should not allow leaving the EU to be hijacked by isolationists, bigotry or to be made about those who have money making more. I'm very pro Europe and the World. I'm pretty anti the Europeon Union. Do not think the media and those that are using the vote for political gain are representative of those that voted in or out - I very much doubt they are.

  • @knewspeak said:

    @Fruitbat1919 said:

    @OscarSouth said:

    @Fruitbat1919 said:>
    Expressing your views would garner more support without the 'Little England' slur. To my mind it is the same as the 'anti foreigners' speak of the awful racists that exist in all countries and walks of life. I can appreciate your concerns, I have many too about much of the politics either in or out of the EU. Yes we all get angry when society forgets us and politics take a big dump on our lives, but calling whole groups derogatory names, is less than helpful. We should all try and rise above it however hard it is. Yes I know it's hard, I fail often as I slag off all polititions, which I know is childish.

    I'm English. I think in a 'political correctness gone mad' world, that give me legitimate artistic licence to make jokes at my own expense ;)

    Fair enough then. People will still not answer usually in a constructive way when confronted with such use of language. Look at Nigal Farage. He actually made the odd decent point, yet by calling the other delegates names, he lost all credibility :)

    Funny thing is though, Donald Trump has been doing that very same thing, multiplied, so far it hasn't halted his progress to the White House.

    I believe his progress has more to do with media and money than anything else. I will amend my statement with, that while Mr Farage has lost credibility, the politics of social media and mainstream media, are actually working in his favour. Then again, I do believe that many others directly involved in the vote have acted quite badly through the whole process.

  • Europe Endless - Kraftwerk - MoMA - 4/12/12 - Retrospective 3

  • @u0421793 said:
    Europe Endless - Kraftwerk - MoMA - 4/12/12 - Retrospective 3

    Always loved Kraftwerk, but I do struggle with those suits at their ages lol. Yes it's wrong to feel that way, but hey, we all have things we struggle to be inclusive with ;)

  • @carol said:

    @OscarSouth said:
    in more rural places I've been refused service or assistance multiple times because I don't >speak Welsh, and in some places it can be downright dangerous for non locals.

    Can you list the places this has happened? As an English person who's lived in Wales for nearly all my adult life I find this extremely hard to believe. In fact I've found Wales one of the most laid back, and accepting places I've lived.

    Same here, I've had nothing but great acceptance when I've been in Wales for long periods. Yet hey it's the same in all country's. It only takes a few bad apples to make the rest not seem so sweet.

    I've been attacked and physically assaulted a few times in my life. The perps have been a mix of race, age and background. The only common factor has been they were all very drunkand loaded. Maybe that's why I went into drug and alcohol care work?

  • The more I read about the Treaty of Lisbon, a] the more I wonder if we would ever have entered into such an unfair arrangement (highly fair for the UK and a few, but not for smaller countries) and b] if Scotland went back into the EU they’d end up not with the status they had with the UK but with the status of a smaller country, say, Malta, and they’d be bullied about recklessly by the EU. It certainly doesn’t resemble the trading arrangement we intentionally sought to enter (three times) when it was the EEC.

  • @u0421793 said:
    The more I read about the Treaty of Lisbon, a] the more I wonder if we would ever have entered into such an unfair arrangement (highly fair for the UK and a few, but not for smaller countries) and b] if Scotland went back into the EU they’d end up not with the status they had with the UK but with the status of a smaller country, say, Malta, and they’d be bullied about recklessly by the EU. It certainly doesn’t resemble the trading arrangement we intentionally sought to enter (three times) when it was the EEC.

    O so true!

  • @Fruitbat1919 said:

    Always loved Kraftwerk, but I do struggle with those suits at their ages lol. Yes it's wrong to feel that way, but hey, we all have things we struggle to be inclusive with ;)

    This is them in their jeans and leather jacket phase:

  • @u0421793 said:

    @Fruitbat1919 said:

    Always loved Kraftwerk, but I do struggle with those suits at their ages lol. Yes it's wrong to feel that way, but hey, we all have things we struggle to be inclusive with ;)

    This is them in their jeans and leather jacket phase:

    Yes that is more like it! I like Devo, but please I don't need to see those flower pot suits no more :p

  • edited June 2016

    @Fruitbat1919 said:

    @OscarSouth said:

    @Fruitbat1919 said:>
    Expressing your views would garner more support without the 'Little England' slur. To my mind it is the same as the 'anti foreigners' speak of the awful racists that exist in all countries and walks of life. I can appreciate your concerns, I have many too about much of the politics either in or out of the EU. Yes we all get angry when society forgets us and politics take a big dump on our lives, but calling whole groups derogatory names, is less than helpful. We should all try and rise above it however hard it is. Yes I know it's hard, I fail often as I slag off all polititions, which I know is childish.

    I'm English. I think in a 'political correctness gone mad' world, that give me legitimate artistic licence to make jokes at my own expense ;)

    Fair enough then. People will still not answer usually in a constructive way when confronted with such use of language. Look at Nigal Farage. He actually made the odd decent point, yet by calling the other delegates names, he lost all credibility :)

    Farage doesnt address other politicians or tries to be understood by them, he knows he will always be treated like a Juvenal. He is just showing off to the layers of society that follow him. He doesn't have to moderate his language because this is the language his followers understand. He is basically feeding off the worst human instincts which are alive and well in Britain it's just they get awakened by the events such this referendum. He's received far too (edit) much coverage from the media as if he was the guy who's won the referendum, with the BBC widely showing his Independence Day speech to the few who'd listen.

    I've put a lot of trust in BBC because of its world renown credibility but I only see it now as just a government propaganda tool with media blackouts of demonstrations and the like.

  • @supadom said:

    @Fruitbat1919 said:

    @OscarSouth said:

    @Fruitbat1919 said:>
    Expressing your views would garner more support without the 'Little England' slur. To my mind it is the same as the 'anti foreigners' speak of the awful racists that exist in all countries and walks of life. I can appreciate your concerns, I have many too about much of the politics either in or out of the EU. Yes we all get angry when society forgets us and politics take a big dump on our lives, but calling whole groups derogatory names, is less than helpful. We should all try and rise above it however hard it is. Yes I know it's hard, I fail often as I slag off all polititions, which I know is childish.

    I'm English. I think in a 'political correctness gone mad' world, that give me legitimate artistic licence to make jokes at my own expense ;)

    Fair enough then. People will still not answer usually in a constructive way when confronted with such use of language. Look at Nigal Farage. He actually made the odd decent point, yet by calling the other delegates names, he lost all credibility :)

    Farage doesnt address other politicians or tries to be understood by them, he knows he will always be treated like a Juvenal. He is just showing off to the layers of society that follow him. He doesn't have to moderate his language because this is the language his followers understand. He is basically feeding off the worst human instincts which are alive and well in Britain it's just they get awakened by the events such this referendum. He's received far too

    O yes agree. He is not alone in game playing though. Watching the Parliment broadcasts is like watching the dark side of children at play.

  • edited June 2016

    if only kraftwerk had made any decent new music after the mid 80s :p
    its so boring to see them touring with 30 years old material now with more bass and updated bling bling show Zzzzzz

  • edited June 2016

    @knewspeak said:

    Funny thing is though, Donald Trump has been doing that very same thing, multiplied, so far it hasn't halted his progress to the White House.

    Actually it has hurt him. He won the Republican primary but that was only the right that was voting. Among the general population it is different. Diversity is one of our strengths so being racist doesn't help you. Latinos and other groups have been registering to vote in record numbers to stop Trump. Except for Fox News our media is against him.

  • @lala said:
    if only kraftwerk had made any decent new music after the mid 80s :p

    Exactly my thoughts this morning when I was going through all the old videos I could find. I first got into them when Autobahn (the edited down single) hit the UK charts and immediately became a fan (so that was two bands I was a fan of — Sparks, and now Kraftwerk. And Rupie Edwards.) I bought Exceller-8, which was a cheap cash-in by the record company, but it alerted me to the earlier stuff, which I bought. I played the gatefold double Kraftwerk 1 & 2, the excellent Ralf and Florian, then bought Radio Activity and took the whole lot out to Papua New Guinea as a mid-teenager when my family moved out there in the mid ’70s, and I played them endlessly. When I came back to the UK they’d released that yellow album with a computer terminal on it, which I bought and didn’t like much, and by the time of their consequent albums I had utterly lost interest in them — I couldn’t even name any of the tracks on them, although I must probably have heard them without realising.

    I think the thing was, as 1980 rolled around, we suddenly had a whole lot of really good synth music to choose from, and Kraftwerk were not yet iconic enough to be respected for simply repeating the same old thing over and over and over with minimal innovation (they are now). I preferred to listen to a lot of newer edgy stuff with difficulties, typified by what John Peel was playing, whereas Kraftwerk seemed to have everything smoothed out by then and just weren’t interesting any more.

  • edited June 2016

    Sorry to hear that you are ill @Fruitbat1919. It's nice that you've got a great wife and iPad to keep you company. :)

  • edited June 2016

    @u0421793 said:

    @lala said:
    if only kraftwerk had made any decent new music after the mid 80s :p

    Exactly my thoughts this morning when I was going through all the old videos I could find. I first got into them when Autobahn (the edited down single) hit the UK charts and immediately became a fan (so that was two bands I was a fan of — Sparks, and now Kraftwerk. And Rupie Edwards.) I bought Exceller-8, which was a cheap cash-in by the record company, but it alerted me to the earlier stuff, which I bought. I played the gatefold double Kraftwerk 1 & 2, the excellent Ralf and Florian, then bought Radio Activity and took the whole lot out to Papua New Guinea as a mid-teenager when my family moved out there in the mid ’70s, and I played them endlessly. When I came back to the UK they’d released that yellow album with a computer terminal on it, which I bought and didn’t like much, and by the time of their consequent albums I had utterly lost interest in them — I couldn’t even name any of the tracks on them, although I must probably have heard them without realising.

    I think the thing was, as 1980 rolled around, we suddenly had a whole lot of really good synth music to choose from, and Kraftwerk were not yet iconic enough to be respected for simply repeating the same old thing over and over and over with minimal innovation (they are now). I preferred to listen to a lot of newer edgy stuff with difficulties, typified by what John Peel was playing, whereas Kraftwerk seemed to have everything smoothed out by then and just weren’t interesting any more.

    lol, I listend to john peel all the time, he was the reason I had a radio
    Im unsure if the german versions have been published outside of germany - here you go



  • @Fruitbat1919 said:

    @knewspeak said:
    @OscarSouth, remember those vows of marriage, they speak of good and bad times and how love can transcend all.

    Yes. I've lost my career. I've lost any income. I'm fighting to regain any help I can get while my illness gets worse. I've lost any ability to get any meds. The system is fighting against me helping myself get back on my feet however hard I try.

    Yet, my wife is supportive and our life together is strong and we will survive and live life to the best we can. We will never give up.

    All my best wishes for you and your wife. Any help or support I can help with, I gladly will.

    Remember all, the EU and centralising laws will not change the world for the better. People working together and helping each other will.

    We should not allow leaving the EU to be hijacked by isolationists, bigotry or to be made about those who have money making more. I'm very pro Europe and the World. I'm pretty anti the Europeon Union. Do not think the media and those that are using the vote for political gain are representative of those that voted in or out - I very much doubt they are.

    Sincere best wishes for restoration and healing in your life, Sir 'Bat. I know from my own experience it's hard to lose work, fighting off ailment, all while belts tighten and apps are bought so much more dearly. It is then - when one's spouse goes out every day to continue to earn the daily bread and stands by your side - I have learned true humility.

    Still late afternoon here in the American Heartland, but I shall drink two toasts this evening, one in hopes of a swift and full recovery for yourself, and one for the steadfast trooper, your lovely missus. Cheers!

  • @ghostly606 said:

    @lala said:
    who would have thought that the UK is so divided?
    where is this coming from?
    London, north irland, and scotland seamed to be fine
    so whats going on in the rest?

    Seemed to be fine because that is what the media would have you believe.

    @knewspeak said:
    So how do we reinvigorate our democratic government's without destroying them.

    Hold more referenda. Here in Scotland the level of political engagement has increased exponentially in the last 5 years.

  • @lala said:
    if only kraftwerk had made any decent new music after the mid 80s :p
    its so boring to see them touring with 30 years old material now with more bass and updated bling bling show Zzzzzz

    Tour De France is terrific.

  • edited June 2016

    I think its uninspired and boring
    its sounds like a bad copy of the old kraftwerk thing
    brrr, I hate it.
    boring old man repeating himself
    it took them how many years to come up with that? lol

  • @lala said:

    lol, I listend to john peel all the time, he was the reason I had a radio
    Im unsure if the german versions have been published outside of germany - here you go
    [4x Kraftwerk vids]

    Thank you very much for that. I listened to them all the way through, and I must say, the last one was interestingly different in composition and atmosphere than the one I’m used to. It’s a lot “closer” and seemed more fun to make, whereas the one I’m familiar with is a bit of a dreary chore and always gives me listener fatigue. In fact, that whole album does. Must be something to do with the mastering for the UK version, then.

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