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Does the Im1 have both midi in and out and do the xy pads transmit midi?
@kobamoto
No midi out, extensive midi control parameters in
Module is $28 Canadian on sale here, so it will end up over $30. This sounds expensive to me. I've been spoiled by early iOS prices?
You'll survive without it. But then one can live (just about) on spam and picallili sandwiches, but it's always nice to have some Beef Wellington in the fridge...
thanks
Yup. Same boat here. I can't justify the price for Module. I have the iM1 and am pretty happy with the piano sounds I get out of it. It's not like I am making classical music.
Korg is taking advantage of the popularity of their apps right now. Gadgets within the app cost me $15cad on sale. That is not the iOS pricing model we are used to. These gadgets are addons and not full fledged synths or drum apps. Compare these prices to patterning or icegear/virsyn synths.
Yes they are quality and fit in with the amazing gadget app, but the gadgets should be half what they cost at regular price imo.
I don't mind paying for gadget or module as long as a couple addons are not going to cost me close to the same thing.
I don't own module for this reason. And I hope we haven't reached a turning point in iOS pricing led by korg.
I agree. I checked them out as well. $13.99 + taxes.
My understanding of the business model behind iOS apps is that once you make a purchase of the app, you get updates and upgrades for ever. That's why the companies and developers release "version 2"'s and"addon's".
So are the gadgets actually jacked up in price and then discounted? "Additional gadgets for in-app purchase are also offered at up to 50% discounted prices."
When I initially got into the Korg Gadget ecosystem I bought it and the extra gadgets when they were on their 50% off sale, but I don't the gadgets being in the $14 price range.
Either way, I am not getting the new gadgets because I don't need them. They are too acoustic-y sounding and have no place in my sounds I use on the gadget.
I do admit I'm a 'Korg Junkie' when it comes to Apps.
So far it's been worth it and I suspect it will stay that way...
Honestly, I did expect new gadgets dropped to $4,99.
I think they are rightly priced if you consider the whole. Gadget itself, especially on sale, is ridiculously cheap. It is 1,33 € per Gadget plus a great sequencing environment thrown in for free. Then all of the great updates recently, including midi updates, added effects etc, they were all for free. Then the new Gadgets are a bit higher priced, yes. But considering Gadget as a whole I think the pricing is very fair.
How much would it cost to replicate the Korg iOS ecosystem in hardware?
IMHO it is not overpriced relatively speaking because those are your options - hardware or software. Plus it meets my current needs as a music hobbyist.
If I was making money making music these days then cost would be purely a business decision and I'm sure I would also be in hardware-land again.
If I had to start iOS music all over, I'd buy Gadget (& iM1) on day one (instead of spending on most other synths).
I have no problem with paying for the new gadgets to keep them updating the app.
It all depends on how much you use Gadget. Those who just use it as a side app for a sound here and there might feel different, but for me it's cheap
I tend to agree with you, but it is the old 'I waste half the money I spend on advertising but I don't know which half' conundrum. I have bought an awful lot of apps I will never open again and if I had that money sitting in my pocket no doubt the more expensive (cumulative) things I've bought would seem like even better value. Caveat emptor I guess.
Does anybody know if there have been any plans to "gadgetize" (like Module an iM1) the remaining Korg iOS apps? It would be great if they could be used directly inside Gadget but how likely is this to happen?
Ah yes! I followed the link!!
The issue is the perceived value of the addons/expansions compared to other products.
I realize the new gadgets are not the same thing as the iM1 addons or the iMachine 2 expansions, but when potential knowledgable customers are comparing the prices they see addons of $1.99 and $4.99 and then a whopping $13.99 for a Korg Gadget app expansion -- which is exactly what these new gadgets are. [1]
btw: I just looked up my bills. Bilbao and Abudabi were $5.79 each 12 months ago. So Korg jacked gadget prices up by about 135%. I can live with 10 to 15% price jumps per year, but this is a little extreme.
[1] Quoting Canadian appstore prices. Replace them with your own for comparison.
@telecode101
You got Bilbao and Abu Dhabi on sale then. So did I. Good deal. The new gadgets are priced higher than the old ones.
I would pay $7 cad for these new gadgets on sale. I'm a product of iOS pricing. That's just me. I get that some people are going to make more use of them and have more disposable $$. I use gadget for fun, creating the occasional track and am short on app money.
I'm going to guess there are more people like me out there than the more serious iOS musician.
(Reg price of module + ivory mobile grand costs $85cad? Is that correct?)
Yup. I did. I am cheap :-)
https://soundcloud.com/telecode101
what new fx are there in gadget?
This has probably been answered 84 times so pardon my asking again: If I get iM1, can I address all of its synthesis parameters via the Darwin gadget? And automate?
No sir. You make em as you want em in iM1 and then save them to a 'library card' which have 50 slots each (there are now 4, up from 2 in the latest update). The library cards are then available to you in Darwin....
Cheers Johnny. That's a shame though understandable. Is there a something like a shortcut to 'Edit in M1'? I don't see one but a fella can hope. Presumably one can still automate those limited controls I see in the Darwin screenshots like OSC Balance, Filter Cutoff, Res, EG Int, etc.. yes?
I'm not all that interested in iM1 stand alone (have enough synths!) but recently charmed by the idea of having a rompler+subtractive style palette available and integrated in Gadget.
Yep. You can automate all the dials you can see in Darwin.
There is no shortcut 'edit in M1' button or anything. And I think you need to restart Gadget, or reload the Darwin instance, to see the changes take effect in your Gadget project.
I haven't found it that fluid to be honest.
Thanks, Matt. Think I'll hold off. Haven't purchased anything in a while so I've a bit of a pointless whole burning. Damn sales.
I can understand your thinking here. Weirdly/maybe interestingly, I am NOT much a patch maker, oh I have a twiddle about and hope for the best etc., but when I DO refine something in iM1 I find my motivation is quite high then to bring it into Gadget and base a track on it (because I can etc). Not enough reason to buy it as is, but a side-effect of the convoluted process all the same...if you have a hole burning, get the next thing on the list or better yet, some flowers for someone who deserves them
@JohnnyGoodyear
Will do, on the flower idea...over due probably (definitely) as my synth joy has been underway with iM1 for a bit (already got the synth, and cards, at full price, and figured out the patch save-and-share drill to Darwin just now)
My 2 cents about the synth has probably been said already in other ways: iM1 is not virtual analog, more like virtual digital in the sense of soft synth emulation of soft synths that lived/live in hardware as in FM, PD, PWM.
Superficially all of those synths sounds hark to a certain era, but that's just how other people used them (and designed the classic presets). I have use for some of those, but I've also found some very startling stuff in the banks, percussive especially but also evolving pads and everything else, which encouraged me to get in and muck about with the params.
What I've noticed is the patches that I've made and find interesting among the banks are twists or retwists of the natural sounds that I find this class of synth to be quite good at initially. Things get interesting when these kind of waves can be tortured or grafted onto something new, that at the same time has those "natural" complex harmonics embedded. A shakahuchi that turns icy or vocal or both, or a trombone that thuds.
That it does multi midi, and can operate on the device as multi timbral is big for the way I've been doing stuff lately. But also it's probably the deepest synth that Gadget has a direct connect with (until iMS20 and iPolysix are linked but I'm not holding my breath)
Anyways blah, what-I-think, blah blah. As has happened often, sales on stuff, or random mentions on this thread send me back to stuff I bought - happily - at full price, and lo and behold new fulljoy occurs.
I agree with this entirely. I think for the very reasons you mention that iM1 is a superb value, but then before you know it we're off down that rabbit hole again. I'll just leave it at the fact that I'm pleased I bought it (yes, full price) and I'm glad I have it....
Hmm, ^ emoji flower bunch fail.