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@Flexinoodle Po is a local shortcut for 'This doesn't seem to be going anywhere productive. I'm tapping out.'
Andy's "...goodbye!!!" was, I'm presuming, self-referential. Not an instruction to you.
Well AndyPlanktons PO was very obviously mean't for what it is usually mean't for, but it really doesn't bother me, people can call me anything they want and swear or whatever, i don't care.
WOn't stop me pointing out when a company is taking the Micheal.
I messed with it, without much luck. I browsed to the "My Circuit" page with it, and was able to get the circuit "connected", but not able to transfer any data.
I've created a MIDI Designer Pro layout that contains most of the functionality of the Isotonik Circuit Editor, and some additional, but it doesn't retrieve settings from the Circuit, which is a limitation. Still fun to play with though!
ooooh they are so quiet overthere at circuit headquarters , is something biiiiiiig coming?
thanks for the info on your experiences with the Web MIDI browser app. Hopefully Novation will get around to making an iOS app for this functionality.
Correct
Or @blocsxnovation could just contract the creator of the Web MIDI Browser app to update it to work with whatever missing APIs the Circuit web app relies on. Would cost them a lot less. And the iOS community would have a solid, modernized Web MIDI capable browser app.
I think this is unlikely, the developer of the browser has written elsewhere that he's no desire to update the browser, he made it as an Apple incentive for Them to support Web MIDI - he actually stated that he hopes the browser will fall into disuse. The issue is with Apple's lack of support for Web MIDI in iOS. Until they relinquish, there's only workarounds. That being said, it's likely possible for a savvy programmer to create a shim that works with the updated dependencies noted above - but I'd guess there's little incentive as the app could be declined/removed if it did so. Novation, OTOH has been far ahead of the Web MIDI game - having a working shim for the LCXL at least a year or 2 before Chrome even released the first browser support, and the LCXL is ready to go for it, and there's already the Circuit Components, and the Novation Intro (which is really sweet for the LP Pro).
I wonder why Apple is dragging their feet on getting Web MIDI support for iOS?
It would certainly make our lives easier if made it happen.
Lack of demand, would be my guess.
@Ocsprey Maybe the developer would be willing to sell the source code to Novation on the cheap then. Think the crux of the app is already available on github for free. Your point about Novation being out ahead on the Web MIDI front is a good one. Seems to me that with all of their existing (and presumably growing) investment in Web MIDI, Novation would want to ensure there's a Web MIDI capable browser on iOS. I have no idea though, obviously. Can totally understand them hedging on/hoping for Apple to step up and just do it already (so as not to waste resources on duplicative work) but I doubt that's going to happen any time soon. They could put out a Novation branded browser app that only resolves to Novation approved URLs (might even remove the entire URL bar so as not to try to support a full fledged web browser). Even if Apple were to then add Web MIDI support to Safari, they would still have an app with which to control the user experience.
My guess is Web MIDI is a mixed bag from a platform standpoint. It's tough to monetize, or lends itself to more open architectures. SysEx, which can help protect against openness, is, at least from a security standpoint, risky. It's easy to send malicious packets in a big SysEx file, and hard to detect - this is why you get a security warning when you enable SysEx in the WebMIDIBrowser, and again I'm guessing, but probably why Novation used a FB login to register for the Circuit components stuff, because it would be a good validation scheme for users. From what I've been watching lately, Web Audio is getting all the attention, while Web Midi seems to be in a lull. All these issues though, to soapbox for a sec, are attributable to the windows vs google vs apple blah blah that ensures a bunch of proprietary schema designed to extract max profits from an internet that never needed them to begin with. Apple probably figures if you want a web editor for Circuit, it's called an app... and just do it that way.
Yes, agree with all this, and I think it is really down to web midi to become secure in itself if it is to become a fully adopted standard. But who is gonna make that happen ? And even if it does what do apple gain by allowing it.
if you have access to the M4L version of the synth editor, someone extended it to include a randomizer: http://www.synthtopia.com/content/2016/12/22/novation-circuit-patch-editor-mod-adds-random-feature/
Interesting they talk about "Isotonik’s plans for an Intelligent Randomization Engine in the premium version of the Circuit Editor" (emphasis added).
They just released an update to the standalone editor, not tried it out yet though. They added zoom not sure what else.
Darren and the Isotonik guys are hinting at the Pro version of the editor on the FB group. Just minimal info so far, but we might still see something like that.
any word on an iPad version?
They aren't going to do one, sorry.
i see, what was the reasoning?
Meanwhile...
I opened my Christmas present early (i know).
It's great isn't it...! So playable.
I haven't tried hooking it up to the laptop yet, but after a few hours play the thing I'm craving for is designing my own sounds.
I'm wondering:
how fluid patch design is with the editor (live back and forth between the laptop editor and the hardware??)
how the hell @Tarekith did his amazing set, DJ style mixing between tracks (sessions?) all on the same Circuit. Is that done with certain transition sessions with, say, the drums from the previous session but the synths from the next session... As a way of transitioning?
Yes, it sure is
Pretty fluid, it all works real time
Patch creation is very easy, changes are shown immediately on both the hardware and software.
For my Circuit sets, I start out by writing one session. Copy that to the next session slot, delete one of the synths (say Synth 1) and write a new synth part. Alter the drums slightly. Copy that to the next session slot. Now I delete Synth 2, write a new synth part. Alter the drum slightly, maybe change one of the drum samples for a little more variation. I also will go back when I'm done and mute one of the synths and a couple of the drum tracks for each session, then resave it. This way when I switch to the next session, I don't have everything all playing at once right away, I can still build up to that.
Repeat.
It ties you into a linear progression during the set, but still works very well for performing longer pieces while still giving you lots of room to tweak.
They don't make iOS apps, just desktop software.
Novation don't make IOS apps?
Brilliant. Thanks.
I'm going to listen to your set again. I suspect you are also using samples in the drum slots very effectively (and sample flipping). This is something I've also not explored yet.
Is there a manual anywhere that covers the new sample flipping functionality?
Novation doesn't make the Patch Editor, Isotonik does.
Yes for sure, Drum Channel 3 I use for percussion samples, and channel 4 I use for chord and atmospheric samples, and I flip the shit out of both them
Here's the link to the manual with the sample flipping details:
https://d19ulaff0trnck.cloudfront.net/sites/default/files/novation/downloads/15544/circuit-components-user-guide-v1-4.pdf
Novation also made some videos on Youtube explaining it too.
I'm doing something similar to this, I work in columns on the Session screen effectively giving me 4 parts for 8 tunes, mixed with prerendered loops played back through the LP app.
Blocs is Novation iOS team.