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I know, but they still don't make the patch editor, that was contracted to a third party, Isotonik.
So they could make make it themselves, or find a contractor who can. That is, if they want to.
Lol, yes I know, the downside of the hidden previous comments is that the point being addressed can be missed, I was saying that Novation do do iOS
I think the addition of the patch store may be the answer to why no iOS yet.
Indeed, I was just saying that Isotonik has no plans for an iOS version, they've stated that before on the FB group.
I have no idea what Novation has planned.
Something along the lines of the Caustic Volca Sample editor would tide me over. It works well and KORG didn't seem to have a problem with them making that.
I think Novation locking the Circuit down to the computer will be the reason I sell mine eventually. (Stuck on original version)
Don't get me wrong, I like it, but no doubt there'll be something else around the corner that may tempt me.
In case anyone missed it ,I posted some screenshots of the synth editor ,on the bottom of
https://forum.audiob.us/discussion/15895/novation-circuit-v1-4-firmware-released/p9
I still need to get the name of the preset and few other parameters.
What program will the editor be for? Is it Tb midistuff?
Sorry , I forgot to mention. It's based on MobMuPlat and PureData.
Ok. Thanks
@Matt_Fletcher_2000 You Sir are very, very naughty. This will doubtless throw into question all and any other karmic possibilities as regards your subsequent Christmasness this year you bastard. I feel like a ten year old again and the boy next door got all the goods while I sit waiting on a bed of spikes and coal
BUT I'm thrilled that you slid right into the thing and that your first post wasn't all FUD...
Can't wait.
Only concern here is saving separate projects. Seems as though this might be limited? In terms of numbers? In a way I'm telling myself this is a good thing. I've had a couple of months of cleaning through Auria/AUM/Cubasis/AS etc etc and realize I half-make far too much stuff and need to focus on the completion angle etc etc, but still...
You mean saving projects on the Circuit? The online back up option, while controversial at first, does work really good for this sort of thing I have to admit. I have a few complete projects saved that way depending on what I want to work on. One for all my dub techno things, one for found sounds and polyrhythms, etc. Only takes 5 minutes if that to swap out everything including the samples.
This is almost exactly what I do - but I'm 1 step lazier. I have some full length pattern sets... just add notes, modulations etc, then use nudge for extra flavor. I do wonder if there's a way to implement aliasing (concept I picked up from some other recent thread here), wonder if the data space could be reduced with this, or to generically increase pattern lengths etc.
Sounds good. Thanks. I like to have lots of elbow room (in terms of avalable space) whenever possible...
Thanks very much. Will check this out.
Ha. Yes. I've just told myself that I'm just checking it works.
I did all the updating to the latest version stuff today. Then had a go at some patch design stuff with the patch editor. Just modifying some existing factory patches.
It seems like a very powerful synth engine sound design wise. The modulation matrix has a crazy number of slots and possibilities. I really like the distortion effects. I had some fun dirtying up the analog keys patch and also another kind of bell like patch until it sounded quite Animoog-like with a long release and lots of distortion.
I see myself using it (as others have said above) as a creative fun live jamming machine. Each session is kind of like a very simple mini song/idea (drums and two synth parts) in its own right - and I think the trick will be to create a string of lots of these that work together as whole 'set' - while being clever about the transitions and evolution of the set.
I noticed @Tarekith clever trick of a 'session' starting in a fairly simple way - then building and modulating it quite a lot into something richer - then hitting the very same session button which of course resets everything back to how it was - then moving onto the next session. Very cool.
Another trick I've been playing with is using the 'length' screen to jam with. Bringing length down to just 1,2,3,4 or 5 steps and changing length around these ranges rapidly creates some quite frenetic stuff. Works with drums, bass or synth parts. And you can tweak the sounds at the same time.
It feels to me sometimes that it's missing just one extra synth part - since I might want a bassline, a pad and a lead all at the same time. I'm thinking one solution is to sync my Volca keys and then while creating patterns, sequence a Volca keys patyern with the Circuit but then send it into the Volca's sequencer in memory 1. Then you can get that track back for use with Circuit synths. Repeat this process 8 times for the 8 memory slots in the Volca - then you've kind of got 8 additional Volca patterns to mix and max with what you have going on on the Circuit without have to actually compose on the Volca (fiddly) or have any additional sequencer/iPad/computer.
Another possibility I was thinking about was perhaps 'splitting the keyboard' on the Circuit somehow so that you might be able to use e.g. the two highest octave notes only to send midi out to another synth. This would take something like midi-flow set up to filter the midi coming out of the Circuit. But I'm not sure how you would stop the Circuit synth playing those high octaves on its own synth (unless perhaps there's a way to use a low pass filter on the patch so you wouldn't hear them on the circuit synth). And of course you'd be stuck with things being paired when you changed patterns.
Great fun though.
My aim is to get good enough to put up a YouTube vid of a track jammed live, and then maybe a 20min session even.
Fine notion. Somewhere in the next 48 hours would be good
I had been wondering about the bass/pad/lead thing, as regards having two rather than three synths and I'm sure this will be on the tip of my tongue shortly, but keep reminding myself that I was looking for a constriction
I take it that the updating to the latest firmware/version was simple enough? Can't believe that that bastard Santa is still far away and fast asleep....
If you have a not too busy synth part, you can play the pads live over the top of the sequence to get an 'additional' lead
In a lot of cases it's quite possible to stack two synth parts into one, e.g. mixing bass & lead, so long as the patch is (is is altered to be) polyphonic, there's 6 notes of polyphony per synth part to play with. Oddly I've really liked this limitation (most of the time) as it gets into how to make a single patch have different flavours according to pitch and/or velocity and/or gate length. I think learning to get two parts in one has probably helped my general synth programming, or at least nudge me towards making patches with a little more dynamics and interest to them.
I'm not getting on well with mine, and as a case in point, forgot where it was all week and just found it under some papers and remembered I owned one - that's how critical it has become in my life. Not wishing to criticise it, for it is a quite interesting device, but there's a few limitations that for me are insurmountable. The most obvious is that I have no idea of which parameters I'm changing, and obviously I need to know that. I thought I didn't need to, and that this 'accident' thing was a thing, but it's not, that's rubbish. I need to know exactly what's going on at all times with a synth, very visibly and in technical detail. I can see there's people who don't, and for them, this is probably a fun thing. The second thing, and I wouldn't have foreseen this, is that I can't work within units of a single bar. Chaining bars isn't good enough. For example, there's no way to tie notes across more than one bar. For those that don't see those as limitations, go for it, get one.
I attached a mapping of the Factory Macro Assignments.... just in case
Ooh, that's quite useful, thanks. Got one for the other one, the Team thingy? Thanks.
What it does show is that, as suspected, there's pretty much no guessing what the knob 2 is going to do. Although there's a general drift as you reach from here to over there of the usual oscillator-ish stuff then filter-ish stuff then effect-ish stuff, there's no pattern or regularity to it. I thought so.
Yeah, the macro mapping is just a rough guide, not all patches follow that. Some not even close.
Playing melodies over the top of a bassline on the same synth track was one workaround I was going to suggest too @JiggyWig. And of course you can always use a drum track to play a bassline freeing up the synths for something else.
Personally I just shifted my thinking so I'm no longer approaching it as bass, lead, pad/chord. Now I just think of it as high part and low part. Sometimes they're pads, sometimes notes, whatever.
I've used the web editor all fine to transfer stuff. On chrome on a Mac.
Shame the midi designer pro template doesn't read settings from the circuit. Is this not possible to do?
This.... sounds very exciting because it sounds like you are getting data from the Circuit back into the template. Is that right? So it's a two way communication like the official synth editor is?
And will if run on the MoMuPlat app I have?
I've tried two different Lemur templates that are both pretty comprehensive and work - but the problem is they don't receive data from the Circuit which makes it very difficult to tweak patches.
Yes, my main problem with other templates was not getting the parameters from circuit ,so I decided to make my own
Unfortunately I don't have the skills for making an iOS app but I learned puredata so MobMuPlat for GUI and running PD in the background seemed doable. MobMuPlat is free ,plus you can set a default project to autostart. Fist beta patch will not save anything to the iPad ,just getting the 2 synth parameters and programming them. Every change will reflect in realtime to Circuit.
Keep in mind the project will be donationware , but fully functional. I will add a non basting balls reminder to donate ( by sending money thru PayPal ). Maybe a 'nag' when you start the project, only once.
Hi Matt,
With the lemur template it is not possible to retrieve a patch from circuit due to limitations with lemur sysex message size being too small for circuit patches.
I plan to add some functions to my one for init patch, set rotaries for Osc edit, set rotaries for envelope edit, set rotaries as eq, type of stuff,
Would these be useful ?
is there anything else you would find useful ?
Andy
I'm not sure if I've tried your one or not yet. Do you have a link?
I understand that getting a whole patch of settings from the circuit to the template might not be possible. But with the lemur templates I tried even just moving one of the 8 knobs on the circuit didn't transmit this back to the template. Everything was just one way.
A sensible init patch that you send to the Circuit (even if that had to be done by slightly twiddling 'knob by knob') would be very useful indeed.
As would a way to save different patch states in
MDP if that's possible.
Wow. I'll be donating.
If it will get as well as send patch data then that would be amazing.
The other thing that would be really useful I think, is an easy way on the iPad to save / organise different patches. Just a way to save the MoMuPlat instance as a different name each time (with knob settings remembered) would do it. (And maybe a 'send all values' button?).
... And one day a version for the iPhone maybe?
Mine is published on the lemur user library so I think is probably one you have tried
The problem with picking up what comes from the rotaries is that they send different cc to what is changing in the synth as that is down to the macro setup, I am only on Ipad and not mac or pc so cannot properly monitor the midi transmissions to delve deeper
I wish I had mac and iOS dev kit, because I'd just write decent iOS one.