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Novation Circuit v1.4 firmware released

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  • @AndyPlankton said:

    Be sure and let me know how that Keystep holds up once your used to it, I have a secret yearning for one of these too :)

    So pleased that the last clause was of the secret yearning variety. I read the first part and was ready for I've had three of those and they were all pieces of shit... :)

    As for the UCA202, I have sent off a last minute note to Santa Amazon....

  • @JohnnyGoodyear said:

    @AndyPlankton said:

    Be sure and let me know how that Keystep holds up once your used to it, I have a secret yearning for one of these too :)

    So pleased that the last clause was of the secret yearning variety. I read the first part and was ready for I've had three of those and they were all pieces of shit... :)

    As for the UCA202, I have sent off a last minute note to Santa Amazon....

    Hehehe....sorry if I made you sweat for a millisecond there :D, It looks like a nice piece of kit, and if it's anything like the same build quality of the Beatstep, which it looks like it is, it will be great ! I'm interested in how the keys feel and what the sequence editing is like.

  • Aha @JohnnyGoodyear Is the Circuit actually for yourself now? You'll love it. Especially nice to just tinker with without wires, just headphones. Walk from room to room creating etc. :)

  • @AndyPlankton said:

    @Matt_Fletcher_2000 said:
    1. What does everyone mean by 'linked drums' - and why is this so bad?

    there are 4 drum tracks, but there not completely independent, they are in pairs, this means that the patterns are joined in the sequencer (1 pattern with 2 lanes), but you can still control the volume and mute and FX individually, I haven't found it limiting.

    I think the only 'limitation' that comes with the linked drum tracks is with setting pattern length. As of 1.4, you can set any track to be any subset of 16-steps for poly-rhythmic stuff. With the drum tracks, if you set it say track 3 to 12-steps, track 4 will also be 12-steps. Same for 5/6.

  • @SpookyZoo said:
    Aha @JohnnyGoodyear Is the Circuit actually for yourself now? You'll love it. Especially nice to just tinker with without wires, just headphones. Walk from room to room creating etc. :)

    Busted. Sort of. No, it's still for His Nibs, but I found myself musing this morning.....hmmm, how long before I can reasonably rip it out of his hands....hmmm, maybe I can sell him more on the Launchpad Mini, give him the Circuit without any instruction or help and then surely he'll cast it aside before lunch.....hmmm....and then my personal Jiminy Cricket reminded me the whole idea was to seduce him into these things not turn him off. Parenthood, such a battle between so many of our separate selves :) And hey, he won't be taking it to school with him....

  • @JohnnyGoodyear said:

    @SpookyZoo said:
    Aha @JohnnyGoodyear Is the Circuit actually for yourself now? You'll love it. Especially nice to just tinker with without wires, just headphones. Walk from room to room creating etc. :)

    Busted. Sort of. No, it's still for His Nibs, but I found myself musing this morning.....hmmm, how long before I can reasonably rip it out of his hands....hmmm, maybe I can sell him more on the Launchpad Mini, give him the Circuit without any instruction or help and then surely he'll cast it aside before lunch.....hmmm....and then my personal Jiminy Cricket reminded me the whole idea was to seduce him into these things not turn him off. Parenthood, such a battle between so many of our separate selves :) And hey, he won't be taking it to school with him....

    He'll end up taking both the Circuit and LP Mini to school doing jams on the sports field and you'll be like, Humpff, Well that didn't work out did it :)

  • @AndyPlankton said:

    @JohnnyGoodyear said:

    @SpookyZoo said:
    Aha @JohnnyGoodyear Is the Circuit actually for yourself now? You'll love it. Especially nice to just tinker with without wires, just headphones. Walk from room to room creating etc. :)

    Busted. Sort of. No, it's still for His Nibs, but I found myself musing this morning.....hmmm, how long before I can reasonably rip it out of his hands....hmmm, maybe I can sell him more on the Launchpad Mini, give him the Circuit without any instruction or help and then surely he'll cast it aside before lunch.....hmmm....and then my personal Jiminy Cricket reminded me the whole idea was to seduce him into these things not turn him off. Parenthood, such a battle between so many of our separate selves :) And hey, he won't be taking it to school with him....

    He'll end up taking both the Circuit and LP Mini to school doing jams on the sports field and you'll be like, Humpff, Well that didn't work out did it :)

    Well, that's the duality right there. If you told me he'd be doing that, as his father I'd be very happy. As the eternal teenager myself I'd be selfishly growling, but I guess that's what the shop's for.....we'll see.

  • edited December 2016

    @JohnnyGoodyear said:

    @SpookyZoo said:
    Aha @JohnnyGoodyear Is the Circuit actually for yourself now? You'll love it. Especially nice to just tinker with without wires, just headphones. Walk from room to room creating etc. :)

    Busted. Sort of. No, it's still for His Nibs, but I found myself musing this morning.....hmmm, how long before I can reasonably rip it out of his hands....hmmm, maybe I can sell him more on the Launchpad Mini, give him the Circuit without any instruction or help and then surely he'll cast it aside before lunch.....hmmm....and then my personal Jiminy Cricket reminded me the whole idea was to seduce him into these things not turn him off. Parenthood, such a battle between so many of our separate selves :) And hey, he won't be taking it to school with him....

    Ha, the struggle is vivid!

    @AndyPlankton said:

    He'll end up taking both the Circuit and LP Mini to school doing jams on the sports field and you'll be like, Humpff, Well that didn't work out did it :)

    Them words there ^^ ;)

  • edited December 2016

    Looks interesting. I am guessing that as an almost-about-to-be-blushing-bride as regards this object I might do better to get my knees brown before investing?

  • I'm not letting that corrupted 'isotonik' program anywhere near my Mac. A week or so ago I got my Mac out of the place of storage, connected it all up to monitor, keyboard and so on, and tried it. OS X pointed out that it is damaged, and that I should delete it. So I did. Too dodgy.

  • @u0421793 said:
    I'm not letting that corrupted 'isotonik' program anywhere near my Mac. A week or so ago I got my Mac out of the place of storage, connected it all up to monitor, keyboard and so on, and tried it. OS X pointed out that it is damaged, and that I should delete it. So I did. Too dodgy.

    This is a well-documented issue and a driver needs updated on the Mac, and likely a security feature to temporarily disable.

  • @Ocsprey said:

    @u0421793 said:
    I'm not letting that corrupted 'isotonik' program anywhere near my Mac. A week or so ago I got my Mac out of the place of storage, connected it all up to monitor, keyboard and so on, and tried it. OS X pointed out that it is damaged, and that I should delete it. So I did. Too dodgy.

    This is a well-documented issue and a driver needs updated on the Mac, and likely a security feature to temporarily disable.

    Not going to happen.

  • @u0421793 said:

    @Ocsprey said:

    @u0421793 said:
    I'm not letting that corrupted 'isotonik' program anywhere near my Mac. A week or so ago I got my Mac out of the place of storage, connected it all up to monitor, keyboard and so on, and tried it. OS X pointed out that it is damaged, and that I should delete it. So I did. Too dodgy.

    This is a well-documented issue and a driver needs updated on the Mac, and likely a security feature to temporarily disable.

    Not going to happen.

    This happens if you try installing anything not originating from the Mac Store, u just need enable install from anywhere, this only happens with standalone version, not M4L.

  • @Ocsprey said:

    @u0421793 said:
    I'm not letting that corrupted 'isotonik' program anywhere near my Mac. A week or so ago I got my Mac out of the place of storage, connected it all up to monitor, keyboard and so on, and tried it. OS X pointed out that it is damaged, and that I should delete it. So I did. Too dodgy.

    This is a well-documented issue and a driver needs updated on the Mac, and likely a security feature to temporarily disable.

    I had this happen too.

    It's not true that any Mac software downloaded from outside the App Store does this. I've downloaded and installed lots of other Mac apps recently that don't say they are broken.

    I have mailed tech support for a work around as their website said I should but 2 days later they have not replied yet.

  • @Tarekith A little previous as have yet to open the Circuit box here (six more sleeps til Christmas....), but thanks so much for this video giving a quick look at using the patch editor. Really made me happy.

  • @Matt_Fletcher_2000 said:

    @Ocsprey said:

    @u0421793 said:
    I'm not letting that corrupted 'isotonik' program anywhere near my Mac. A week or so ago I got my Mac out of the place of storage, connected it all up to monitor, keyboard and so on, and tried it. OS X pointed out that it is damaged, and that I should delete it. So I did. Too dodgy.

    This is a well-documented issue and a driver needs updated on the Mac, and likely a security feature to temporarily disable.

    I had this happen too.

    It's not true that any Mac software downloaded from outside the App Store does this. I've downloaded and installed lots of other Mac apps recently that don't say they are broken.

    I have mailed tech support for a work around as their website said I should but 2 days later they have not replied yet.

    There's a blurb about it on the Isotonik site toward the bottom of page: http://isotonikstudios.com/novation-x-isotonik/novation-circuit-editor/.

    Here's a link to more tech explanation: https://macmule.com/2015/11/12/some-mac-app-store-apps-damaged-prompting-for-redownload/

  • Why is it Max anyway ?
    Why don't Novation just work with a developer to create a real executable, or just open it up so anybody can develop what they want, more bad form from Novation.

  • @Flexinoodle said:
    Why is it Max anyway ?
    Why don't Novation just work with a developer to create a real executable, or just open it up so anybody can develop what they want, more bad form from Novation.

    Harsh.

  • edited December 2016

    @JohnnyGoodyear said:

    @Flexinoodle said:
    Why is it Max anyway ?
    Why don't Novation just work with a developer to create a real executable, or just open it up so anybody can develop what they want, more bad form from Novation.

    Harsh.

    Why ?
    If they believe in the product (Which is brilliant by the way) then support it in the best way possible, the web based interface was bad enough, but the MAX patch saved as an executable is laughable at best, yes use it for testing purposes, but then have somebody code it natively, they are not some small fry independent manufacturer, they are a very large manufacturer.
    What's next, Steinberg shipping with plugins made in Synthedit 32 bit only, wrapped in wine for OSX haha (Trust me, if they did, the world would s**t bricks.

  • Is there any real (i.e. technical) reason why the synth editor can't be a web app like the other circuit software?

  • Justin at Cockos has mentioned there being a speed issue with having that many realtime controls handled within a web interface while he was designing Reapers web based controller.

  • @Flexinoodle said:
    Justin at Cockos has mentioned there being a speed issue with having that many realtime controls handled within a web interface while he was designing Reapers web based controller.

    Interesting stuff. Not sure I get the parallel though. The isotronik edit is mouse driven which means it's basically sending one control value at a time. That should be fine for a WEB MIDI app. Surely it could even handle a few multi-touch NRPN events at the same time smoothly.

  • Another housey Circuit set. This one uses two circuits and an X-Station keyboard. Not quite sure if the X-station is controlling Circuit sounds or is being used as another (occasional) sound source.

    @Matt_Fletcher_2000 Looking forward to any reports of you controlling gadget with the Circuit.

  • Glad you found it useful!

    @JohnnyGoodyear said:
    @Tarekith A little previous as have yet to open the Circuit box here (six more sleeps til Christmas....), but thanks so much for this video giving a quick look at using the patch editor. Really made me happy.

  • @syrupcore said:

    @Flexinoodle said:
    Justin at Cockos has mentioned there being a speed issue with having that many realtime controls handled within a web interface while he was designing Reapers web based controller.

    Interesting stuff. Not sure I get the parallel though. The isotronik edit is mouse driven which means it's basically sending one control value at a time. That should be fine for a WEB MIDI app. Surely it could even handle a few multi-touch NRPN events at the same time smoothly.

    So the isotronik editor has no feedback at all from the hardware ?
    So what happens when the settings on the hardware change, doesn't it update ?

  • @Flexinoodle just looked at the Reaper web UI. That's impressive work! Justin is a magic machine. Totally different level of communication going on. With the Reaper web ui, it's receiving metric tons of metering information and for that info to be of any real use, it has to be updated quickly/repeated at useful resolutions and across 1-32 tracks. You could turn every knob and push every button on the circuit and not generate 1/8 of the data. Let alone at every 24th/second (or whatever it is) that the Reaper web UI is being updated.

  • @Flexinoodle said:

    @syrupcore said:

    @Flexinoodle said:
    Justin at Cockos has mentioned there being a speed issue with having that many realtime controls handled within a web interface while he was designing Reapers web based controller.

    Interesting stuff. Not sure I get the parallel though. The isotronik edit is mouse driven which means it's basically sending one control value at a time. That should be fine for a WEB MIDI app. Surely it could even handle a few multi-touch NRPN events at the same time smoothly.

    So the isotronik editor has no feedback at all from the hardware ?
    So what happens when the settings on the hardware change, doesn't it update ?

    The communication is two way, hardware and software will both reflect any changes.

  • @syrupcore
    sending vast amounts of MIDI information via a web interface in realtime will clog very quickly, fine if you dont want to do it in realtime.

  • @Flexinoodle said:
    @syrupcore
    sending vast amounts of MIDI information via a web interface in realtime will clog very quickly, fine if you dont want to do it in realtime.

    For sure. I'm just saying the amount of data involved with bi-direction communication on the Circuit is minimal compared to something like Reaper (and the Reaper Web UI works pretty well it would appear). Or even minimal compared to something like a KMI instrument, which will fill a MIDI pipe quickly with just a couple of notes played, yet KMI use it as an example controller for a Web MIDI tutorial here: https://www.keithmcmillen.com/blog/making-music-in-the-browser-web-midi-api/

    Considering they're doing sample and session transfer via web midi, I'm guessing there's some other (non-technical) reason they haven't implemented their own synth editor.

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