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Excellent review/explanation of iWavestation:
http://musicappblog.com/iwavestation-review/
For those of you who already had iM1, do you think iWavestation is worth if you're just looking for presets? Is there a lot of overlap between the two where it really isn't worth having both unless you're going to dig and create your own patches? We're mostly interested in pad type sounds which iM1 has many usable presets for our purposes.
haven't listened to all (but most)presets yet but if you prefer the classic rompler sounds you'll be fine with M1 imo.There are too many classic sounds to be find in iWS for my taste.I bought it especially for the seuquenced sounds (not only evolving pads,more complex/abstract rhythm and melodies)but surprisinlgy they seem a bit rare in the stock library.Haven't bought the iAP,will do it latee maybe.And if you are looking for the more sequenced stuff,you need to build them yourself.The random button is a good start but soon you realize it will mostly end up soundding too similar.Lot of chaotic stuff (well,that's what you can expect for most random functions).Mostly i'm taking only a smart part out of the random created performance and use this as a staring point.This way i created a bunch of nice sequencies.Of course,the are some evolving pads/strings that you can't find in M1 as well.
But i definitely don't regret the purchase,it already gave me enough ideas for some new music.Can be a very rewarding machine (with unique sounds)if you dive a little deeper into it.And for 20€ you can't really go wrong.I found not one preset that makes at least use of half the functions the synths has to offer.It's a waste to use it only for the classic sounds.
I was looking for presets just like you when i get the iWavestation. I can say that there's some overlapping between both apps but not as much as you might think. iM1 has more traditional sounds (lots), more like general MIDI stuff. Piano, guitar, bass, drums, brass, etc. there's some of that on iWavestation but it's more the exception rather than the norm, you might find the odd solo piano or guitar sound. Nearly all sounds have layers, splits and use the sequencer. Some sounds can fill a whole song by themselves (after all it's the wavestation) and there's a lot of synth-related stuff.
They're similar in that they sound "dated" in a good way on my opinion.
@passmaster16 I would say the same as @Crabman . To me the presets sound very similar to the im1 presets. You'll have more than your fair share of flutes, bell pianos, slap basses and the like. Where iwavestation really shines IMO is in tweaking presets and coming up with your own. It doesn't take much. Just open up any old preset, longpress on a voice and tap edit to open one of the voices, tap the + sign to the right of the amp envelope 4 or 8 times, and wa la, you now have patch with some interesting 16th note motion. Now that you're in that edit window, start thrashing around and listen to what happens!
Good luck with your decision.
Thanks guys. How would you compare iwavestation to something like Mitosynth? This was another app that was suggested to me for ambient/warm pads that are often used in live worship music. If you had to choose between Mitosynth and iWS, which would you choose and why? It sounds to me that either of these apps requires some tweaking to extract high quality sounds from them.
There's a reason for that. The rhythmic choppy stepping through the wave sequences is actually a bit of a last-minute hack. The intention of the wave sequencer was to implement slow smooth gradual cross-fading between a series of wave choices one after the other, to simulate timbral changes in the duration of a note. What happened was that just prior to the machine's release, some of the voice programmers hit upon the idea of shortening the cross fade durations down to between 0 and 4 ish, and intentionally selecting quite different and even unrelated series of wave sources, giving rise to that 'chopped up' rhythmic effect. As I say, it was all quite a last-minute stylistic realisation, which is why the machine isn't stuffed full of that sort of thing.
Who needs presets when you have a random button
I may remember reading about this earlier, but I don't see a 'write' button in gadget. Is there a way to store sequences? I have a good one I don't want to lose. Scary, one accidental touch of the random button or switching presets will lose it forever?
@Redo1
There's no write in Gadget.
You could duplicate (and mute) the track so you'll always have a backup within the song.
And perhaps also make a backup of the song itself ('Save As')
Ok thanks @R_2
Do the other standalone gadgets have a write/save function? I don't have module or im1 or odyssei.
Maybe I can hold on to it until it gets added?
@Redo1 Module and ODYSSEi have user patch save in Gadget , iM1(Darwin) doesn't.
But iM1(Darwin) in Gadget only has basic parameters, I personally don't miss it.
I would like 'user save' for Milpitas.
Ok thanks so there is hope for a save option. Good to know.
I bought it because it's Korg and it's a Gadget and i understand that they're trying to keep the ui of these synths faithful to the original hardware but sometimes i really wish they'd make some sort of optional unified ui for those of us who never played with the originals
Thankfully this one comes with a random button which is awesome and it's clearly a powerful synth
Just wish i didn't have to learn a different ui with every new Korg release
Simple question: Is there a hold button? Swear I've looked everywhere.
Me too. Can't see it. Expect we are the Silly Brothers, but also expect help from our cleverer mates....
Fair point but I think the problem is all of these synths being different enough that a unified UI wouldn't really work.
That said, I'd happily campaign for a world in which every applicable synth app made (or gadget, etc) had an additional simplified macro view with 8 controls: ADSR, filter cutoff, filter resonance, LFO 1 rate and LFO 1 depth. When you're just playing, that's often enough to tweak something in order to get it where you want it.
That would be a great solution too
Isn't that what the 'standard' GM/Midi CC's were meant to be used for but sadly many synths implement their own 'standard'...
Filter Resonance (Timbre/Harmonic Intensity) (cc#71)
Release Time (cc#72)
Attack time (cc#73)
Brightness/Cutoff Frequency (cc#74)
Decay Time (cc#75)
Vibrato Rate (cc#76)
Vibrato Depth (cc#77)
Vibrato Delay (cc#78)
@samu I'm not sure but yeah, that set of sound shaping controls so basic that they made it into the earliest MIDI spec is what I'm talking about. They were in there as 'suggested defaults" years before GM came around.
I love to dive deep with synth programming berserk but sometimes when you're just playing and want to make a minor adjustment, faffing about with pages and buttons is goofy. Should be pickup selector/tone knob on a guitar quick.
Ahh. I bought it. Couldnt hold out any longer and i had a nice refund sitting in mypaypal. Just enough to get it and the iap. Already loving some of the pad sounds, hoping this will be my ambient pad beast as I read it can be. Also hoping to get some Ozric Tentacles synth sounds out of this lovely lady
If you buy/install iWavestation AND buy the IAP... does the total install size go up significantly?
THe app store says download size is 58.6 mb and on my device with IAP installed its 71.7 mb. So not too bad.
thx!
+1, and I usually find myself drawn to apps that make these easily accessible - some make you jump through hoops.
Simple answer. No.
However there is a sustain parameter in the automation. That will act as a hold. You may be able to address it via midi.
For apps that I play more than I program, same. There's no shortage of apps for synthesists and no shortage of apps for keyboardists. Would be cool if some of the former made some (basically cosmetic) concessions to the latter.
After several weeks of digging thru the possibilities in iWavestation I'm really impressed with the sonic options into this excellent coded music app...
Perhaps iWavestation is top three ever onto iOS regarding musicality...
But, the app isn't 100% perfect though...
Is anybody else missing the search function into the card-patch system?
I just it would be as nice as iM1 is regarding choose patch, especially with category's also...
Can we hope for better patch handling?
So, Gadget for Mac won't include a Wavestation module at first but it'll be interesting to hear how things develop on that front.
Been using iWavestation for a few weeks and @ErrkaPetti mirrors my experience. Really liking the presets themselves and the app is flexible enough to make for very interesting sonic possibilities. Not only in terms of expressive control but in editing patches. (There's another thread discussing Wavestation sysex. Quite a few third party patches and “performances” are available.)
There might be a bit of nostalgia involved in my case but some of those sounds really have a positive effects on me. And it's fairly easy to adapt the synth in a broader setup, within Gadget or connected to a desktop/laptop via Studiomux.
My main problem, though, is that the number of sound options is actually overwhelming. Makes me wish for a way to catalogue all my synth sounds, with audio excerpts and appropriate descriptors/tags.
With iWavestation, navigating through the banks is particularly cumbersome, especially on the iPhone. Finding a preset by name is unnerving. Went through all banks several times without finding “Prophet Horn”, for instance.
Haven't tried iM1, but any kind of organization would be nice.
So, maybe things will be easier once we get the Mac version. Sounds like they will release it as a full bundle/collection instead of allowing for individual purchases. Which will probably make that app into a very expensive product, way beyond my means for this kind of thing. That would be a missed opportunity, though. Korg Gadget for iOS, the iOS App Store (and set of Audiobus-compatible apps) clearly shows that there's a powerful business model behind low-cost apps which can complement one another.