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TROUBLEMAKER 1.2, now with 64 step sequencer

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  • @AndyPlankton said:

    @MonzoPro said:
    I've had a couple of fabulous jams with Troublemaker today, brilliant app, I'll use this one a lot.

    What is making it so usable and rewarding for you ?

    It's rock solid, easy to get a good sound from - not just acid squelches, but thumping synth bass too, easy to tweak live, and fits snugly in my live AUM setup.

    If the dev adds automation of tweaks or patterns it'd be wonderful, but five stars for what it does already.

  • @Paulyboy said:

    @MonzoPro said:
    The app's ease of use makes it perfect as a live instrument, but bass lines can grate after a minute on repeat, so need some filter movement and key changing to keep the listener interested. If you're not in the app at the time (you're mucking about mangling your ElasticDrums beats) the bass remains static, and if you initiate a key change in Figure, it isn't refelected in the baseline.

    This is one thing that always seems really cumbersome to me. I still consider myself a beginner, nothing more than a hobbyist really, but I've learned a lot in the 3+ years I've been messing around with this stuff. But with most of the combination of apps I experiment with when live jamming key changes in one app do not change the key in the other apps. So, as you said, the other parts remain static. To get every part to reflect the right key changes at the right times I have to do all this cumbersome editing in something like Cubasis afterwards. I'm sure I'm missing something in some cases, probably something that has to do with MIDI, but some of that stuff isn't the easiest thing to figure out or understand sometimes.

    And I agree about Figure. I absolutely love the app, it's interface, and the sounds it can produce but it seems to live on an island by itself when it comes to key changes. You're either just changing the key in that, where everything else stays static, or you're changing the key in another linked app or whatever, but Figure remain static. That's kind of annoying unless I'm missing something?

    Troublemaker looks awesome though so I will be getting it as well later today. Just the fun factor alone looks like it makes it worth it.

    Problem I discovered with Figure today is that unlike all the other apps I was using, it didn't work properly in landscape mode, so I had to ditch it.

    If Troublemaker gets song mode, I can set that up as the background app, and then follow its key changes in other apps that don't have it - like my synths, and so use it for more complex live malarkey.

    Haven't tried triggering it via ModStep, which might be a workaround, but it means firing up another app and maxing out the CPU.

  • I prefer to use AU apps in AUM controlled with IAA MIDI control apps which have IAA host sync so that when you press play or record in AUM, everything starts on time. Unfortunately, many IAA MIDI apps don't have IAA sync which means having to manually trim audio. Patterning, Sector, and FunkBox are some of the apps that do have IAA host sync support.

    MIDI apps with Audiobus support can be started automatically but unfortunately Audiobus doesn't have AU support, an ability to mix volume levels, or bus support. It does have state savings which AUM does not except for AUs and the routings so you'll still need to determine which presets/settings you were using in an app to recreate a setup. In AUM you can type in notes so you can remember the setup which is better than nothing but clearly something that you should ideally be able to automate and eliminate in the future.

    iOS music creation is still very fractured in terms of work flow. Developers seem to frequently be unaware of common user workflows and therefore fail to accommodate them. They still seem focused only on hardware, DAW or other pre-iOS workflows so they don't incorporate flows like IAA host sync for transport controls and will assume their app will be controlling them or that another MIDI app will.

    Perhaps there is a need for an IAA host sync app that can be controlled via IAA in an IAA host app which can be configured to send MIDI clock and transport controls to other apps that do? For example, I can use Sector in AUM to control Fugue Machine and/or midiSequencer in AUM via AUM's transport controls.

    Given the above, it's understandable why many users prefer all in one solutions because they don't want to spend time figuring out how to connect everything together or have to manually do so every time.

  • @InfoCheck said:

    Given the above, it's understandable why many users prefer all in one solutions because they don't want to spend time figuring out how to connect everything together or have to manually do so every time.

    Bingo. So much setup, moving parts, different apps crashing etc. When i use gadget i make music 100%. When i use other things i only make music 10% of the time, 90% of the time i'm just trying to figure it out. Jamming and recording stereo is one thing but i like slowly building stuff that i can later edit and modify and Have everything separate.

  • @MonzoPro said:

    @AndyPlankton said:

    @MonzoPro said:
    I've had a couple of fabulous jams with Troublemaker today, brilliant app, I'll use this one a lot.

    What is making it so usable and rewarding for you ?

    It's rock solid, easy to get a good sound from - not just acid squelches, but thumping synth bass too, easy to tweak live, and fits snugly in my live AUM setup.

    If the dev adds automation of tweaks or patterns it'd be wonderful, but five stars for what it does already.

    Yeah same here...

  • @vpich said:

    @InfoCheck said:

    Given the above, it's understandable why many users prefer all in one solutions because they don't want to spend time figuring out how to connect everything together or have to manually do so every time.

    Bingo. So much setup, moving parts, different apps crashing etc. When i use gadget i make music 100%. When i use other things i only make music 10% of the time, 90% of the time i'm just trying to figure it out. Jamming and recording stereo is one thing but i like slowly building stuff that i can later edit and modify and Have everything separate.

    I went through this same thing with gadget, but then I felt I was starting to sound stale as I was using the same things all the time so have gone back the other way and like to have the variety available to me, but you do have to capture what you're doing straight away because it is far too easy to lose it.

  • @AndyPlankton said:

    @vpich said:

    @InfoCheck said:

    Given the above, it's understandable why many users prefer all in one solutions because they don't want to spend time figuring out how to connect everything together or have to manually do so every time.

    Bingo. So much setup, moving parts, different apps crashing etc. When i use gadget i make music 100%. When i use other things i only make music 10% of the time, 90% of the time i'm just trying to figure it out. Jamming and recording stereo is one thing but i like slowly building stuff that i can later edit and modify and Have everything separate.

    I went through this same thing with gadget, but then I felt I was starting to sound stale as I was using the same things all the time so have gone back the other way and like to have the variety available to me, but you do have to capture what you're doing straight away because it is far too easy to lose it.

    Well i always add a few synths or pianos outside gadget and switch out my samples in bilbao and there are plenty of soundS to be had in all the gadgets. But yeah. The reason i keep trying is i want to use all cool "gear" that doesn't work in gadget.

  • wow,i almost overlooked it (cause i thought i don't need new apps...).I'm gonna buy this for sure.I know you ( @brambos ) said the sequencer doesn't fit into the AU but...PLEASE....could you eventually consider to put it on a second page then??There are a couple of AU with more than one page,it's really not a big deal.But making loops in a seperate app and export (the midi)...seems a bit impractical (it's sooo 2015 :smiley: ) as it breaks the (my)workflow of the otherwise great AU implementation.I know,we could still use it the oldskool way via AB (so i assume it works as IAA Generator as well?) but then we have to face most probably wonky Midi timing and all the other disadvantages over AU.As for myself,i rarely use non AU compatible stuff these days.

    But again,that's a must buy for me anyway,sounds really great.You became already one of my favorite iOS developer,keep up the good work!

  • @brambos Troublemaker is exceptionally fun and so instantly rewarding to use. I love it. You really made something special (again) :)

  • edited January 2017

    I had hours of fun last night with iPad and iPhone running ElasticDrums and Troubkemaker Standalone on both using link....
    Both plugged into my Behringer mixer -> Amp = Acid Techno Mayhem!
    :smile:
    Fairly low on resources too iirc...
    Could easily add more embellishments!
    :smiley:

  • edited January 2017

    I am debasingly old enough to fully recall (well recall something anyway) buying the TB303 and TR606 brand new at a local music shop here in Vancouver Canada and paying $800 for the privilege.

    I used them for their original purpose in making (as elastically as was potable, I mean as realistically as was possible) bass and drum backing tracks for the top 40 80’s duo I was in (playing bars and hotels etc.).

    I transferred the tracks to three stereo cassette decks for live use with drums on one track and bass on the other track.

    Weirdly and prophetically, I wrote a few originals using many of the quirkier aspects of the two machines, but my duo partner hated what I had done! Little did he and I know that I was way-way ahead of the curve!

    I sold the TB303 and TR606 to buy a TR707 and 360 Systems MIDI Bass

    ...sigh...

    Those were the days my friend
    We thought they'd never end
    We'd sing and dance forever and a day…

    How could I not buy this somewhat-equivalent-to-TB303-software ?

  • @puppychumful said:
    I am debasingly old enough to fully recall (well recall something anyway) buying the TB303 and TR606 brand new at a local music shop here in Vancouver Canada and paying $800 for the privilege.

    I used them for their original purpose in making (as elastically as was potable, I mean as realistically as was possible) bass and drum backing tracks for the top 40 80’s duo I was in (playing bars and hotels etc.).

    I transferred the tracks to three stereo cassette decks for live use with drums on one track and bass on the other track.

    Weirdly and prophetically, I wrote a few originals using many of the quirkier aspects of the two machines, but my duo partner hated what I had done! Little did he and I know that I was way-way ahead of the curve!

    I sold the TB303 and TR606 to buy a TR707 and 360 Systems MIDI Bass

    ...sigh...

    Those were the days my friend
    We thought they'd never end
    We'd sing and dance forever and a day…

    How could I not buy this somewhat-equivalent-to-TB303-software ?

    Heady days indeed...

    I have a funny one... I was in a recording studio in Dublin sometime at the end of the eighties and had my first glimpse of a 303. A seminal moment. I just couldn't get over the sound of the filter - which was rather impressive coming from the mk1 SVT.

    Some months later I spied one in a second shop in Notting Hill in London. I dashed in, barely looked at it, parted with my cash and put it in my bag. I didn't look at it again until I got home a few weeks later only to find to my dismay that it was at TR606! Proper Homer Simpson moment...

    Since then I've been saying to myself - they'll not get any more expensive - I'll nab one when the price is right... Wrong! So this app i the closest I've come. Still have the 606 though...

  • edited January 2017

    @Glasside said:

    @puppychumful said:
    I am debasingly old enough to fully recall (well recall something anyway) buying the TB303 and TR606 brand new at a local music shop here in Vancouver Canada and paying $800 for the privilege.

    I used them for their original purpose in making (as elastically as was potable, I mean as realistically as was possible) bass and drum backing tracks for the top 40 80’s duo I was in (playing bars and hotels etc.).

    I transferred the tracks to three stereo cassette decks for live use with drums on one track and bass on the other track.

    Weirdly and prophetically, I wrote a few originals using many of the quirkier aspects of the two machines, but my duo partner hated what I had done! Little did he and I know that I was way-way ahead of the curve!

    I sold the TB303 and TR606 to buy a TR707 and 360 Systems MIDI Bass

    ...sigh...

    Those were the days my friend
    We thought they'd never end
    We'd sing and dance forever and a day…

    How could I not buy this somewhat-equivalent-to-TB303-software ?

    Heady days indeed...

    I have a funny one... I was in a recording studio in Dublin sometime at the end of the eighties and had my first glimpse of a 303. A seminal moment. I just couldn't get over the sound of the filter - which was rather impressive coming from the mk1 SVT.

    Some months later I spied one in a second shop in Notting Hill in London. I dashed in, barely looked at it, parted with my cash and put it in my bag. I didn't look at it again until I got home a few weeks later only to find to my dismay that it was at TR606! Proper Homer Simpson moment...

    Since then I've been saying to myself - they'll not get any more expensive - I'll nab one when the price is right... Wrong! So this app i the closest I've come. Still have the 606 though...

    Not to make light unfairly of your too-quick decision, but it did make me smile! The TR303 and TR606 talked to each other using Roland Sync and the first time I got them working in tandem if felt glorious. Some time later I sold the TR707, 360 Systems MIDI bass and Yamaha DX7 and bought a Korg M1 (when they first came out) then I knew the future had arrived. Little did I know that ROM’plers would not hold their value at all, and the machines that were less realistic and quirky would be the desirable ones, as is somewhat the case now with the TR707 as well as the TB303 and perhaps the TR606 too.

  • Oh the things we do to have the latest and greatest.. I think my greatest faux-pas in that regard was swapping a beautiful fender telecaster for a tascam da30 DAT machine.

    That one still smarts a little..

  • @Glasside said:
    Oh the things we do to have the latest and greatest.. I think my greatest faux-pas in that regard was swapping a beautiful fender telecaster for a tascam da30 DAT machine.

    That one still smarts a little..

    Ouch. That even smarts to read it...

  • @wim said:

    @Glasside said:
    Oh the things we do to have the latest and greatest.. I think my greatest faux-pas in that regard was swapping a beautiful fender telecaster for a tascam da30 DAT machine.

    That one still smarts a little..

    Ouch. That even smarts to read it...

    Did wince.

  • @lukesleepwalker said:

    @wim said:

    @Glasside said:
    Oh the things we do to have the latest and greatest.. I think my greatest faux-pas in that regard was swapping a beautiful fender telecaster for a tascam da30 DAT machine.

    That one still smarts a little..

    Ouch. That even smarts to read it...

    Did wince.

    War stories, without them we could never say we were there... :)

  • Sold a mint Arp Odyssey for $200...
    :'(

  • @anickt said:
    Sold a mint Arp Odyssey for $200...
    :'(

    Damn. I would have given you $250 easily

  • Here's a loop prominently featuring Troublemaker AU instances driven by Egoist bass midi out.

  • One small feature request @brambos - it would be useful to have a selection of "no MIDI channel."

  • Haven't spent much time here or even using the iPad lately. Been doing mostly hardware and really concentrating on mixing down songs.

    Having said that, this may be the most fun app I've had on the iPad. The sequencing options, glide, accent, nudge and octave mods make this thing an absolute blast to just play.

    My biggest complaint is that sometimes trying to disable a given note I'll actually slide it up or down a couple spots. And it would be nice if there were a way to disable a note without having to go through accenting it first. Maybe I'm just an idiot?

  • @puppychumful said:
    I am debasingly old enough to fully recall (well recall something anyway) buying the TB303 and TR606 brand new at a local music shop here in Vancouver Canada and paying $800 for the privilege.

    I used them for their original purpose in making (as elastically as was potable, I mean as realistically as was possible) bass and drum backing tracks for the top 40 80’s duo I was in (playing bars and hotels etc.).

    I transferred the tracks to three stereo cassette decks for live use with drums on one track and bass on the other track.

    Weirdly and prophetically, I wrote a few originals using many of the quirkier aspects of the two machines, but my duo partner hated what I had done! Little did he and I know that I was way-way ahead of the curve!

    I sold the TB303 and TR606 to buy a TR707 and 360 Systems MIDI Bass

    ...sigh...

    Those were the days my friend
    We thought they'd never end
    We'd sing and dance forever and a day…

    How could I not buy this somewhat-equivalent-to-TB303-software ?

    A long shot, but do you still have the 707 and wanna sell it?

    Sorry for the derail. I love the app, even though I'm not an electronic or 'acid' guy. Just playing with it has got me finding ways to incorporate it in songs.

  • Sneak peak at version 1.1 (shot with phone camera):

    • Realtime mutation probability engine
    • MIDI start / stop support
    • MIDI clock sync
    • Audiobus Playback triggers
  • ****> @brambos said:

    Sneak peak at version 1.1 (shot with phone camera):

    • Realtime mutation probability engine
    • MIDI start / stop support
    • MIDI clock sync
    • Audiobus Playback triggers

    Nice!!! Maybe something that lets you select what steps are active to the probability engine. So that you can keep most of it "grounded" while having some variation?

  • I bought it, and although impressed by the sound, Im a little disappointed by the functionality.
    Why doesn't it save the synth parameters in the presets?

    I have some feature requests;

    • changing the notes is a little hard to see under the finger.
    • scales would be nice
    • morfing between waveforms would be cool!
  • @Greg said:
    Why doesn't it save the synth parameters in the presets?

    So you can load patterns without changing the current sound settings. That's how most bassline synths work.

  • edited January 2017

    @Greg said:

    • changing the notes is a little hard to see under the finger.

    Move your finger to the side and then slide up and down.

    I don't have any problem with the interface, even on my phone.

  • edited January 2017

    @brambos said:

    That's how most bassline synths work.

    Not the softsynths, Im thinking Cyclop for example.
    Im not bashing your product Bram, it's a great synth, but the advantages of software should be exploited IMHO.
    Why not both? saving sound presets and patterns separately.

  • @anickt said:

    @Greg said:

    • changing the notes is a little hard to see under the finger.

    Move your finger to the side and then slide up and down.

    I don't have any problem with the interface, even on my phone.

    Ok thanks, I didn't know that!

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