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Gadget update - Montpellier

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  • edited August 2017

    @jrjulius said:
    I joined the forum after Model 15 came out. Were there complaints about the rust on the jacks, dents in the chassis, scratches on the keys, and wrinkles in the tolex?

    I don't recall any. I just don't care for the cable obstruction and the panning/zooming on my lil tiny 9.7" ipad. It feels kind of cheesy, silly, annoying etc. to me. Dust and scratches, I tend not care about that stuff.

  • R_2R_2
    edited August 2017

    @Purpan said:
    Being an idiot, I can't work out how to get a bank from the VST (Mac) to the ios app. Can anyone tiptoe me through this?

    Haven't done it myself, but you need to use iTunes to put the file in iMono/Poly's map.

    Page 65 manual: Import
    This imports data from the KORG Legacy Collection Mono/Poly.
    The data imported can be written to the iPad and loaded into the iMono/Poly app, using iTunes software on a computer.

  • edited August 2017

    @R_2 said:

    @Thomas said:
    Lexington vs. Montpelier; which sounds better?

    So far I feel both sound equally good. Montpellier has a bigger sound palette.
    If you haven't got either of them i'd start with Montpellier. Especially since Lexington is full price now.

    Sound is a bit subjective. They both sound pretty great to me. I prefer Montpellier by quite a big margin because:

    • seems to take far, far less processor power (I have a project on my iPhone currently involving 12 instances of Montpellier - whereas I find a couple of Lexingtons and I start to get crackles).
    • Also the pitch faders on Lexington are a total pain to adjust and generally the interface on Lexington is much more fiddly and a bit confusing.
    • There's more range in the sounds I can get out of Montpellier
  • @R_2 said:

    @Purpan said:
    Being an idiot, I can't work out how to get a bank from the VST (Mac) to the ios app. Can anyone tiptoe me through this?

    Haven't done it myself, but you need to use iTunes to put the file in iMono/Poly's map.

    Page 65 manual: Import
    This imports data from the KORG Legacy Collection Mono/Poly.
    The data imported can be written to the iPad and loaded into the iMono/Poly app, using iTunes software on a computer.

    Thanks. I tried this but it didn't work for me.

  • R_2R_2
    edited August 2017

    @Purpan said:

    @R_2 said:

    @Purpan said:
    Being an idiot, I can't work out how to get a bank from the VST (Mac) to the ios app. Can anyone tiptoe me through this?

    Haven't done it myself, but you need to use iTunes to put the file in iMono/Poly's map.

    Page 65 manual: Import
    This imports data from the KORG Legacy Collection Mono/Poly.
    The data imported can be written to the iPad and loaded into the iMono/Poly app, using iTunes software on a computer.

    Thanks. I tried this but it didn't work for me.

    The bank doesn't show up in Gadget/Montpellier though, only in the standalone app.
    I know @Samu has installed additional banks, maybe he can help?
    Also check out the description in his link

  • @R_2 said:

    @Purpan said:

    @R_2 said:

    @Purpan said:
    Being an idiot, I can't work out how to get a bank from the VST (Mac) to the ios app. Can anyone tiptoe me through this?

    Haven't done it myself, but you need to use iTunes to put the file in iMono/Poly's map.

    Page 65 manual: Import
    This imports data from the KORG Legacy Collection Mono/Poly.
    The data imported can be written to the iPad and loaded into the iMono/Poly app, using iTunes software on a computer.

    Thanks. I tried this but it didn't work for me.

    The bank doesn't show up in Gadget/Montpellier though, only in the standalone app.
    I know @Samu has installed additional banks, maybe he can help?
    Also check out the description in his link

    Got it! Thanks very much, @R_2 .

  • Someone did a iPolysix - iMono/Poly comparison:

  • @R_2 said:

    @Thomas said:
    Lexington vs. Montpelier; which sounds better?

    So far I feel both sound equally good. Montpellier has a bigger sound palette.
    If you haven't got either of them i'd start with Montpellier. Especially since Lexington is full price now.

    thanks. this helps. :)

  • @Matt_Fletcher_2000 said:

    @R_2 said:

    @Thomas said:
    Lexington vs. Montpelier; which sounds better?

    So far I feel both sound equally good. Montpellier has a bigger sound palette.
    If you haven't got either of them i'd start with Montpellier. Especially since Lexington is full price now.

    Sound is a bit subjective. They both sound pretty great to me. I prefer Montpellier by quite a big margin because:

    • seems to take far, far less processor power (I have a project on my iPhone currently involving 12 instances of Montpellier - whereas I find a couple of Lexingtons and I start to get crackles).
    • Also the pitch faders on Lexington are a total pain to adjust and generally the interface on Lexington is much more fiddly and a bit confusing.
    • There's more range in the sounds I can get out of Montpellier

    Thanks Matt. Processor power might prove a factor due to me running it on an Air1.

  • I'd definitely get Montpelier. The presets are also a bit better IMO...

  • @echoopera said:
    Fwiw I'm really enjoying the synth. Went ahead and wrapped it around a little late night down tempo track:

    Hey, I really like all that sound..
    mind to talk about how you did that?
    All produced on iPad?

    Tasty!

  • edited August 2017

    Is there any info on the standalone version of iMono/Poly getting midi in for it's parameters?

    I see that the gadget version has midi for parameters but this doesn't appear possible in the standalone.

    Quite disappointed if I'm not able to use a midi controller for it.

  • @SpookyZoo said:
    Is there any info on the standalone version of iMono/Poly getting midi in for it's parameters?

    I see that the gadget version has midi for parameters but this doesn't appear possible in the standalone.

    Quite disappointed if I'm not able to use a midi controller for it.

    This would break the deal for me.
    Also, can somebody confirm that the volume always restarts from zero if you add another note to a held chord in poly mode, given there's any attack time set?

  • @SpookyZoo said:
    Is there any info on the standalone version of iMono/Poly getting midi in for it's parameters?

    I see that the gadget version has midi for parameters but this doesn't appear possible in the standalone.

    Quite disappointed if I'm not able to use a midi controller for it.

    Here's the manual, it doesn't look like it, you can assign midi in for some modulation sources. But nothing about the other parameters. I'm hoping they are there but not listed, have you tried many random CC's?

    https://www.korguser.net/imonopoly/manual/KORG_iMonoPoly_OM_E.pdf

    Definitely worth pestering Korg about this as that's pretty bad. The manual even refers to it as iM1 at one point so it's all a bit rushed I think...

  • @Max_Free said:

    @echoopera said:
    Fwiw I'm really enjoying the synth. Went ahead and wrapped it around a little late night down tempo track:

    Hey, I really like all that sound..
    mind to talk about how you did that?
    All produced on iPad?

    Tasty!

    Thanks for listening to the track. It's all done in Gadget with 4 instances of Montepellier, 2 Recife and 1 Abu Dhabi.

  • @Max_Free said:

    This would break the deal for me.
    Also, can somebody confirm that the volume always restarts from zero if you add another note to a held chord in poly mode, given there's any attack time set?

    @Carnbot said:

    Here's the manual, it doesn't look like it, you can assign midi in for some modulation sources. But nothing about the other parameters. I'm hoping they are there but not listed, have you tried many random CC's?

    https://www.korguser.net/imonopoly/manual/KORG_iMonoPoly_OM_E.pdf

    Definitely worth pestering Korg about this as that's pretty bad. The manual even refers to it as iM1 at one point so it's all a bit rushed I think...

    From what I can tell, iMono/Poly only has 4 'slots' for you to choose which CC's can be used.

    This seems crazy to me.

    As far as apps go this is premium pricing, and for a synth app in 2017 to have such limited midi connection shows a real lack of understanding.

    Actually, it's not even that really. The midi control is there and available in Gadget Montpellier, so why not in the standalone app?

  • edited December 2017
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  • @StudioES said:
    Have you tried long-pressing a knob? The KLC M/P desktop version had two ways to assign MIDI CCs: via MIDI

    That doesn't work either. In fact I don't think Korg have ever put in midi learn in any of their iOS apps yet, they are getting a bit behind as a premium app developer.

  • edited September 2017

    @Carnbot said:

    @StudioES said:
    Have you tried long-pressing a knob? The KLC M/P desktop version had two ways to assign MIDI CCs: via MIDI

    That doesn't work either. In fact I don't think Korg have ever put in midi learn in any of their iOS apps yet, they are getting a bit behind as a premium app developer.

    +1. Though I prefer the sound of a Korg, the iMini could teach them a thing or two about MIDI implementation.

  • @Max_Free said:

    @SpookyZoo said:
    Is there any info on the standalone version of iMono/Poly getting midi in for it's parameters?

    I see that the gadget version has midi for parameters but this doesn't appear possible in the standalone.

    Quite disappointed if I'm not able to use a midi controller for it.

    This would break the deal for me.
    Also, can somebody confirm that the volume always restarts from zero if you add another note to a held chord in poly mode, given there's any attack time set?

    Each VOICE starts from zero but if you're holding a chord, the held notes will continue to sustain.

    I don't want to confuse things because it can be difficult to describe. Basically, the synth behaves perfectly fine in poly mode regardless of your envelope settings. The from zero behaviour only really poses problems in mono mode.

  • @jrjulius said:

    @Max_Free said:

    @SpookyZoo said:
    Is there any info on the standalone version of iMono/Poly getting midi in for it's parameters?

    I see that the gadget version has midi for parameters but this doesn't appear possible in the standalone.

    Quite disappointed if I'm not able to use a midi controller for it.

    This would break the deal for me.
    Also, can somebody confirm that the volume always restarts from zero if you add another note to a held chord in poly mode, given there's any attack time set?

    Each VOICE starts from zero but if you're holding a chord, the held notes will continue to sustain.

    I don't want to confuse things because it can be difficult to describe. Basically, the synth behaves perfectly fine in poly mode regardless of your envelope settings. The from zero behaviour only really poses problems in mono mode.

    This behaviour in poly mode implies further deviation from the original synths architecture. There is only one volume envelope for all voices originally. That's why it's called MONO/poly after all. So what about the filter and its envelope, is it also per voice now? Full poly synth?

  • There's a polyphonic mode, called Poly, and a four-voice paraphonic mode, called Original.

  • @jrjulius said:
    There's a polyphonic mode, called Poly, and a four-voice paraphonic mode, called Original.

    Nice, but yet the volume envelope is always starting from zero as in "Original"?

  • @Max_Free said:

    @jrjulius said:
    There's a polyphonic mode, called Poly, and a four-voice paraphonic mode, called Original.

    Nice, but yet the volume envelope is always starting from zero as in "Original"?

    Yes, unfortunately. I emailed Korg about it and they responded, but I don't have high hopes for an update.

    I know in my heart that I'm blowing it out of proportion but this envelope thing impacts playability in a big way. This is why I kept my R3 rather than trading it towards a Minilogue.

  • @jrjulius said:

    @Max_Free said:

    @jrjulius said:
    There's a polyphonic mode, called Poly, and a four-voice paraphonic mode, called Original.

    Nice, but yet the volume envelope is always starting from zero as in "Original"?

    Yes, unfortunately. I emailed Korg about it and they responded, but I don't have high hopes for an update.

    I know in my heart that I'm blowing it out of proportion but this envelope thing impacts playability in a big way. This is why I kept my R3 rather than trading it towards a Minilogue.

    Korg replied?!

    Which email address did you use to contact them?

    Was it a stock .... 'we'll refer it to our team' response?

  • @SpookyZoo said:

    @jrjulius said:

    @Max_Free said:

    @jrjulius said:
    There's a polyphonic mode, called Poly, and a four-voice paraphonic mode, called Original.

    Nice, but yet the volume envelope is always starting from zero as in "Original"?

    Yes, unfortunately. I emailed Korg about it and they responded, but I don't have high hopes for an update.

    I know in my heart that I'm blowing it out of proportion but this envelope thing impacts playability in a big way. This is why I kept my R3 rather than trading it towards a Minilogue.

    Korg replied?!

    Which email address did you use to contact them?

    Was it a stock .... 'we'll refer it to our team' response?

    I used my personal address, an iCloud account. They said that the app intentionally deviated from the original hardware in a few ways -- for instance, it now has a VCO Semitone control -- but they would pass my request along to the relevant team.

    It was a personalized response with a disappointing ending. But they did address the tuning "issues" with Odyssei, so maybe they'll get around to this one as well.

  • @jrjulius said:

    @SpookyZoo said:

    @jrjulius said:

    @Max_Free said:

    @jrjulius said:
    There's a polyphonic mode, called Poly, and a four-voice paraphonic mode, called Original.

    Nice, but yet the volume envelope is always starting from zero as in "Original"?

    Yes, unfortunately. I emailed Korg about it and they responded, but I don't have high hopes for an update.

    I know in my heart that I'm blowing it out of proportion but this envelope thing impacts playability in a big way. This is why I kept my R3 rather than trading it towards a Minilogue.

    Korg replied?!

    Which email address did you use to contact them?

    Was it a stock .... 'we'll refer it to our team' response?

    I used my personal address, an iCloud account. They said that the app intentionally deviated from the original hardware in a few ways -- for instance, it now has a VCO Semitone control -- but they would pass my request along to the relevant team.

    It was a personalized response with a disappointing ending. But they did address the tuning "issues" with Odyssei, so maybe they'll get around to this one as well.

    That's cool.

    I was actually hoping you could tell me which of korg' s contact addresses you used. Cheers. :)

  • edited September 2017

    @jrjulius said:

    @Max_Free said:

    @jrjulius said:
    There's a polyphonic mode, called Poly, and a four-voice paraphonic mode, called Original.

    Nice, but yet the volume envelope is always starting from zero as in "Original"?

    Yes, unfortunately. I emailed Korg about it and they responded, but I don't have high hopes for an update.

    I know in my heart that I'm blowing it out of proportion but this envelope thing impacts playability in a big way. This is why I kept my R3 rather than trading it towards a Minilogue.

    I was very close to buying the app, but this and the lack of MIDI control in the standalone/missing arp in the gadget kept me away.

    I dearly loved the original, bought it from my first ex girl-friend together with some memories, some time after our splitup. Sold it later because at the time I considered it being too bulky for my new plans going live. Always regretting.

  • @jrjulius Thanks for the address.

    I got a reply from Korg...and it was a good one! :)

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