Gadget update - Montpellier

Shazamm

@realdavidai said:

@Carnbot said:
Just a Gadget or standalone too?
I'm hesitant about Korg from now on I'm more into AUv3 compatible.

Yep. Not buying anything that doesn’t support AU

i sooooooooooooooo feel you but im an app hore

Max_Free

Does it really restart the envelope always at zero for each new key pressed? I had the original once, I'm pretty sure it started from previous level and I think I could not stand it if they changed it instead of modeling the behaviour as it should be. That's a bummer. What about these lovely lead lines with slowly upcoming start? It might be good for some EDM stuff, but come on! An option somewhere to change this?

u0421793

With iMono/Poly, is there the same blocking and persisting bug as in iOdysseiieeei, in which if I make a patch in the standalone it is simply impossible to access it in the Gadget?

Peter321

@u0421793 said:
With iMono/Poly, is there the same blocking and persisting bug as in iOdysseiieeei, in which if I make a patch in the standalone it is simply impossible to access it in the Gadget?

Yeah, the user bank of the stand alone and the gadget one are separate

Peter321

Has anyone found other improvements / changes in the app, besides the metronome during count-in?

SpookyZoo

@Max_Free said:
Does it really restart the envelope always at zero for each new key pressed? I had the original once, I'm pretty sure it started from previous level and I think I could not stand it if they changed it instead of modeling the behaviour as it should be. That's a bummer. What about these lovely lead lines with slowly upcoming start? It might be good for some EDM stuff, but come on! An option somewhere to change this?

I noticed a polarity toggle for one of the envelopes. Maybe this could be what you're describing?

Not at my iPad at the moment but can check later.

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Max_Free

No, envelope polarity is different from retrigger-on-legato (multi-trigger), which is still different from restarting-from-zero vs. starting-from-current-level. It should be working just as
on the original hardware.
I don't remember exactly, it's 17 years ago. If they changed it,
meh... I think restart-from-zero would make poly mode with multi-trigger of a single volume envelope for all voices (this synth concept) almost unusable for legato play or arps, as you'll get nasty volume drops even with the smallest non-zero attack setting.

I will upload a sound demo later, about what great things the hardware could do.

Carnbot

I really hope there will be eventually more pro reviews of ipad synths, especially in this case comparing the synth to the old hardware, in both sound and features. Easier to make a buying decision when you can get a definitive comparision.

Will

@Max_Free said:
No, envelope polarity is different from retrigger-on-legato (multi-trigger), which is still different from restarting-from-zero vs. starting-from-current-level. It should be working just as
on the original hardware.
I don't remember exactly, it's 17 years ago. If they changed it,
meh... I will upload a sound demo later, about what great things the hardware could do.

From the manual:

TRIGGER MODE
Specifies whether the note will be retriggered if you play another key
before releasing the previous key. This parameter is valid when
you’re playing monophonically (“KEY ASSIGN MODE” set to UNI-
SON, CHORD, or ORIGINAL); the setting is ignored if you’re play-
ing polyphonically.

SINGLE:
EG and MG will not be retriggered for the second or any
subsequent notes, until all previous ly held notes have been released.

MULTI:
EG and MG will be retriggered each time you play a note.

Pretty sure the original hardware works this way (in mono only).

chimp_spanner

Hmmmmm. I mean, I have MonoPoly and PolySix in Reason so I can probably go without for now.

What I'd really like to see is some updates to Gadget itself. Specifically MIDI editing. Snap note lengths to quantize? Select all? Fixed lengths or legato? If I bought Gadget for Mac and it didn't have those things I'd be pretty miffed.

Gadget is good, don't get me wrong. But it's still painfully awkward to work in at times, which is frustrating because overall it's one of the only apps I can actually get good, musical results from without all the usual hassle of getting apps to play nicely with each other.

gsm909

I really want to buy this, but until MS-20 and iPolySix see some love, I'm holding off.

GET WITH THE PROGRAM KORG.

£20 better spent elsewhere

LucidMusicInc

@u0421793 said:
With iMono/Poly, is there the same blocking and persisting bug as in iOdysseiieeei, in which if I make a patch in the standalone it is simply impossible to access it in the Gadget?

Completely separate. Better this way. I'm only using the apps in Gadget and deleted all the standalones. The only gadget that can't save presets is Darwin which I believe was their first IAA standalone.

Matt_Fletcher_2000

@LucidMusicInc said:

@u0421793 said:
With iMono/Poly, is there the same blocking and persisting bug as in iOdysseiieeei, in which if I make a patch in the standalone it is simply impossible to access it in the Gadget?

Completely separate. Better this way. I'm only using the apps in Gadget and deleted all the standalones. The only gadget that can't save presets is Darwin which I believe was their first IAA standalone.

Milpitas also can't save presets.

Matt_Fletcher_2000

Mono/poly sounds lovely, and it's all inside Gadget.

Great bass possibilities. Really nice rich pads too. And some great chord presets to explore.

Total stability and control over all parameters for modulation. The UI is also really nicely designed (unlike Lexington which I never really liked because of the fiddly faders).

I've not run into problems with multiple instances either.

All on an iPhone, in one hand, sitting on the beach.

£20. The price of a new iPhone charger.

Personally I'm very happy.

jrjulius

@Max_Free said:
No, envelope polarity is different from retrigger-on-legato (multi-trigger), which is still different from restarting-from-zero vs. starting-from-current-level. It should be working just as
on the original hardware.
I don't remember exactly, it's 17 years ago. If they changed it,
meh... I think restart-from-zero would make poly mode with multi-trigger of a single volume envelope for all voices (this synth concept) almost unusable for legato play or arps, as you'll get nasty volume drops even with the smallest non-zero attack setting.

I will upload a sound demo later, about what great things the hardware could do.

I've tried every mono mode and polyphony setting, envelopes always seem to trigger from zero. Kind of frustrating but hardly surprising given that iPolysix behaved the same way. I just don't understand why they would put pickup envelopes in Odyssei and iMS-20 but not Mono/Poly since the M/P hardware has pickup envelopes.

nrgb

I think iMono/Poly has pipped Model 15 as the best sounding iOS synth.

Max_Free

@syrupcore said:

@Max_Free said:
No, envelope polarity is different from retrigger-on-legato (multi-trigger), which is still different from restarting-from-zero vs. starting-from-current-level. It should be working just as
on the original hardware.
I don't remember exactly, it's 17 years ago. If they changed it,
meh... I will upload a sound demo later, about what great things the hardware could do.

From the manual:

TRIGGER MODE
Specifies whether the note will be retriggered if you play another key
before releasing the previous key. This parameter is valid when
you’re playing monophonically (“KEY ASSIGN MODE” set to UNI-
SON, CHORD, or ORIGINAL); the setting is ignored if you’re play-
ing polyphonically.

SINGLE:
EG and MG will not be retriggered for the second or any
subsequent notes, until all previous ly held notes have been released.

MULTI:
EG and MG will be retriggered each time you play a note.

Pretty sure the original hardware works this way (in mono only).

This leaves open if it retriggers in poly mode or not.

Also if it goes back to zero every time or starts at current/release level.

Can you confirm?

Play in poly mode a broken chord, first one note, then add other ones, holding the previous. Full sustain level. If you have a small (any non-zero) attack setting, does it create audible gaps for each new note?

That would be awful, no?

Max_Free

@jrjulius said:

@Max_Free said:
No, envelope polarity is different from retrigger-on-legato (multi-trigger), which is still different from restarting-from-zero vs. starting-from-current-level. It should be working just as
on the original hardware.
I don't remember exactly, it's 17 years ago. If they changed it,
meh... I think restart-from-zero would make poly mode with multi-trigger of a single volume envelope for all voices (this synth concept) almost unusable for legato play or arps, as you'll get nasty volume drops even with the smallest non-zero attack setting.

I will upload a sound demo later, about what great things the hardware could do.

I've tried every mono mode and polyphony setting, envelopes always seem to trigger from zero. Kind of frustrating but hardly surprising given that iPolysix behaved the same way. I just don't understand why they would put pickup envelopes in Odyssei and iMS-20 but not Mono/Poly since the M/P hardware has pickup envelopes.

Urgh. Can we petition they make it an option, add another switch for this?
It's not technically hard.

I would consider it as a bug, in an emulation like this.

I remember of some georgious session with sustained sounds via arp and voice stealing happening to the very best advantage. Not possible this way.

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@nrgb said:
I think iMono/Poly has pipped Model 15 as the best sounding iOS synth.

Nah´.....anyway Zeeon will blow them all away

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gonekrazy3000

@tja said:

@LucidMusicInc said:

@u0421793 said:
With iMono/Poly, is there the same blocking and persisting bug as in iOdysseiieeei, in which if I make a patch in the standalone it is simply impossible to access it in the Gadget?

Completely separate. Better this way. I'm only using the apps in Gadget and deleted all the standalones. The only gadget that can't save presets is Darwin which I believe was their first IAA standalone.

You can remove iM1 and still can use it within Gadget?
:-O

Sure?

That's interesting!

you can remove all the standalones and still use them in gadget. i removed module to get back 1.1gb. but i still have access to its gadgets and all the IAP i bought. pretty happy about that really. whenever i need pianos i just use gadget as an Iaa and load them. or use gadget when i want a copy of oddysei or any of the other gadgets.
way i look at gadget is a box of tiny synths. i just plugin which ones i want in addition to all my AU plugins.
another example is i load 2-3 gadgets to create a layered sound and make all of them recieve midi from the same external source.

jwmmakerofmusic

@Shazamm said:

@jwmmakerofmusic said:

@TheVimFuego said:
Stability update just released ...

Within less than 24 hours. Not that awful of an inconvenience then, phew. Tomorrow, Korg will get my money, but also my two cents about keeping up their older apps (or at least adapting iElectribe to Gadget).

my man tell me about it ll korg apps should be in gadget since there not AUV3's

Exactly! I don't need the other Korg synths to be AUv3s. Just make them Gadget compatible, and we're squared.

While I was at it, I also included in the Gadget requests support ticket a thank you for the speedy update and to give us more track effects. It's f-cking frustrating we don't have any chorus, saturation, distortion, plate reverb for vocals, so on and so forth. I've ALWAYS wanted to tell them about the missing effects we need.

I also told them to finally give us a proper version of Triton.

@realdavidai said:

@Carnbot said:
Just a Gadget or standalone too?
I'm hesitant about Korg from now on I'm more into AUv3 compatible.

Yep. Not buying anything that doesn’t support AU

I'm usually the same way, except when it's Gadget-compatible. Even if I've only recently started being more serious with my Gadget usage and started limiting my app buying, I'll always eventually cave when it comes to something Gadget compatible. Just can't place my finger on why.

thesoundtestroom

Here is my Let's Compose with Montpellier demo vid thing

The last part I record is the best I think, maybe the last six minutes or so

stemshade

I'm really struggling not to bite since i have been enjoying beatmaker 3 recently and am expecting a digitakt. But lots of praise and i am weak.

AudioGus

@vpich said:
I'm really struggling not to bite since i have been enjoying beatmaker 3 recently and am expecting a digitakt. But lots of praise and i am weak.

Let your ears decide.

stemshade

@AudioGus said:

@vpich said:
I'm really struggling not to bite since i have been enjoying beatmaker 3 recently and am expecting a digitakt. But lots of praise and i am weak.

Let your ears decide.

My ears are super weak.

Samu

@vpich said:
I'm really struggling not to bite since i have been enjoying beatmaker 3 recently and am expecting a digitakt. But lots of praise and i am weak.

See it as 'Sampler Fodder' for BM3 and the Digitakt when you get it

I don't care so much for the stand-alone app but the Gadget is totally rocking with full automatisation!

Will

@jrjulius said:

@Max_Free said:
No, envelope polarity is different from retrigger-on-legato (multi-trigger), which is still different from restarting-from-zero vs. starting-from-current-level. It should be working just as
on the original hardware.
I don't remember exactly, it's 17 years ago. If they changed it,
meh... I think restart-from-zero would make poly mode with multi-trigger of a single volume envelope for all voices (this synth concept) almost unusable for legato play or arps, as you'll get nasty volume drops even with the smallest non-zero attack setting.

I will upload a sound demo later, about what great things the hardware could do.

I've tried every mono mode and polyphony setting, envelopes always seem to trigger from zero. Kind of frustrating but hardly surprising given that iPolysix behaved the same way. I just don't understand why they would put pickup envelopes in Odyssei and iMS-20 but not Mono/Poly since the M/P hardware has pickup envelopes.

Manual page 23 says it shouldn't work this way in mono modes with 'Trigger Mode' set to Single. I haven't purchased yet but if it's retriggering, it definitely sounds like a bug.

stemshade

@Samu said:

@vpich said:
I'm really struggling not to bite since i have been enjoying beatmaker 3 recently and am expecting a digitakt. But lots of praise and i am weak.

See it as 'Sampler Fodder' for BM3 and the Digitakt when you get it

I don't care so much for the stand-alone app but the Gadget is totally rocking with full automatisation!

Sample fodder and dark-hole-i-can't-fill fodder. I guess it's incoming.