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Gadget update - Montpellier

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  • @syrupcore said:

    @jrjulius said:

    @Max_Free said:
    No, envelope polarity is different from retrigger-on-legato (multi-trigger), which is still different from restarting-from-zero vs. starting-from-current-level. It should be working just as
    on the original hardware.
    I don't remember exactly, it's 17 years ago. If they changed it,
    meh... I think restart-from-zero would make poly mode with multi-trigger of a single volume envelope for all voices (this synth concept) almost unusable for legato play or arps, as you'll get nasty volume drops even with the smallest non-zero attack setting.

    I will upload a sound demo later, about what great things the hardware could do.

    I've tried every mono mode and polyphony setting, envelopes always seem to trigger from zero. Kind of frustrating but hardly surprising given that iPolysix behaved the same way. I just don't understand why they would put pickup envelopes in Odyssei and iMS-20 but not Mono/Poly since the M/P hardware has pickup envelopes.

    Manual page 23 says it shouldn't work this way in mono modes with 'Trigger Mode' set to Single. I haven't purchased yet but if it's retriggering, it definitely sounds like a bug.

    It's not a question of whether it retriggers, it's a question of what amplitude the envelope retriggers from. If you crank attack and release all the way up, hold a note until it reaches full volume, let go of the note completely, and trigger another note, the synth will cut the release stage and trigger the second note from silence.

    Compare that to Odyssei or iMS-20, in which the second note triggers from the release amplitude. Most analog synths would offer pickup behaviour because the release phase is just a capacitor discharging whereas many digital synths (esp. poly) seem to trigger from zero.

    There are use cases for each method but I personally prefer pickup behaviour because you can dial in some really lovely "swell leads." It sounds like the hardware offered pickup behaviour, so it's odd that Korg wouldn't include it in the app.

  • @jrjulius Ah, gotcha. Yes, different issue.

  • Quickest instabuy ever!

  • Really enjoying iMono/Poly. Lush sounds. Many sound design options combined with the two effects. I appreciate the extra parameters in the effects section.

    Personally I would've preferred if the standalone and Montpellier shared the same 'user' bank. Since Gadget's CPU/battery drain I prefer to make my own sounds in the standalone versions (i do this with iWavestation).

    I hoped Korg had done something about the CPU/battery problem, but unfortunately nothing has changed with this update :'( :'(

    @Matt_Fletcher_2000 said:

    @LucidMusicInc said:
    Completely separate. Better this way. I'm only using the apps in Gadget and deleted all the standalones. The only gadget that can't save presets is Darwin which I believe was their first IAA standalone.

    Milpitas also can't save presets.

    Milpitas does have a 'write' option:

    Odd enough, the saved performance gets overwritten as soon as you open the standalone. Guess that's not a problem when people delete the standalone. But for creating your own wavesequences you need the standalone.

  • edited August 2017

    I asked Korg iApps on Twitter about adding preset sharing between stand-alone and Gadget, they replied that they noted the request and would consider it. I'm pretty sure "we'll consider it" is Japanese for "Yes". Or "Absolutely" (?). Yep...

  • Does anyone have Gadget on the mac and Montpellier/MonoPoly on iOS?

    I'm wondering what would happen if you try to open an iOS project that uses Montpellier on the Mac version.

  • @ChrisG said:
    I asked Korg iApps on Twitter about adding preset sharing between stand-alone and Gadget, they replied that they noted the request and would consider it. I'm pretty sure "we'll consider it" is Japanese for "Yes". Or "Absolutely" (?). Yep...

    Shortly after Gadget (4 years?) was released I asked them about adding an option in Abu Dubai to do microfades on the chopped pieces to get rid of clicking and got a similar response. It doesn't seem like Korg ever listens to user requests - they say they will pass along to developer team and consider it - but they're only go do what they had mapped out for additional features.

  • @gonekrazy3000 said:

    @tja said:

    @LucidMusicInc said:

    @u0421793 said:
    With iMono/Poly, is there the same blocking and persisting bug as in iOdysseiieeei, in which if I make a patch in the standalone it is simply impossible to access it in the Gadget?

    Completely separate. Better this way. I'm only using the apps in Gadget and deleted all the standalones. The only gadget that can't save presets is Darwin which I believe was their first IAA standalone.

    You can remove iM1 and still can use it within Gadget?
    :-O

    Sure?

    That's interesting!

    you can remove all the standalones and still use them in gadget. i removed module to get back 1.1gb. but i still have access to its gadgets and all the IAP i bought. pretty happy about that really. whenever i need pianos i just use gadget as an Iaa and load them. or use gadget when i want a copy of oddysei or any of the other gadgets.
    way i look at gadget is a box of tiny synths. i just plugin which ones i want in addition to all my AU plugins.
    another example is i load 2-3 gadgets to create a layered sound and make all of them recieve midi from the same external source.

    I do this but what is a bit annoying is that there's no folder structure in gadget so when you open it as an IAA you need to load the right song you're working with too and i have a huge list of different songs and versions I go through. Of course i can record the pianos in to the daw and move on but it's nice to have access to the original midi in case.

  • @ChrisG said:
    I asked Korg iApps on Twitter about adding preset sharing between stand-alone and Gadget, they replied that they noted the request and would consider it. I'm pretty sure "we'll consider it" is Japanese for "Yes". Or "Absolutely" (?). Yep...

    It's a direct translation of 検討します。(kento shimasu). Which is a standard non committal reply. Japanese companies are top down, hierarchical. Whoever replies to you will have no say in what actually happens.

  • edited August 2017

    So Gadget devs make an "improvement" to its metronome yet can't be bothered to address the obvious and really annoying lack of an independent volume control for the metronome.

    DOH.

    I'd much rather pay for an IAP to add much more vital features to Gadget itself that would enhance workflow and productivity - than yet another synth. Even though - as for this one - the synth does actually sound superb.

  • @AudioGus said:

    You know you wanna kamata...

    It is like an Amiga making sweet love to an Atari ST.

    A very nostalgic old-timer ROFL

  • @nrgb said:
    Bought without hesitation.
    My favourite Korg app within minutes.

    Do you have Odessi <-- that's my fave

  • @ricksteruk said:
    Does anyone have Gadget on the mac and Montpellier/MonoPoly on iOS?

    I'm wondering what would happen if you try to open an iOS project that uses Montpellier on the Mac version.

    Gadget Mac hasn't been updated to include this, so I presume no interoperability there, very disappointing! I'm holding off on buying until I know it's coming to Mac as I do lots of exporting to Ableton and use the Gadget VSTs within that. :/

  • @Artefact2001 said:

    @ricksteruk said:
    Does anyone have Gadget on the mac and Montpellier/MonoPoly on iOS?

    I'm wondering what would happen if you try to open an iOS project that uses Montpellier on the Mac version.

    Gadget Mac hasn't been updated to include this, so I presume no interoperability there, very disappointing! I'm holding off on buying until I know it's coming to Mac as I do lots of exporting to Ableton and use the Gadget VSTs within that. :/

    Will be included in a future update (according to Korg site). Same happened with iWavestation.

  • I'm hoping there will be a way to sync presets between iMono/Poly and the Montpellier Gadget...

    Apparently it's possible to transfer the KLC Mono/Poly presets to iMono/Poly.
    http://www.benis.it/cm/suoni/ios_imonopoly.htm
    (It's 256 'KLC' patches for iMonoPoly).

  • @Samu said:
    I'm hoping there will be a way to sync presets between iMono/Poly and the Montpellier Gadget...

    Apparently it's possible to transfer the KLC Mono/Poly presets to iMono/Poly.
    http://www.benis.it/cm/suoni/ios_imonopoly.htm
    (It's 256 'KLC' patches for iMonoPoly).

    I've created a topic about in on the Gadget forum:

    https://support.korguser.net/hc/en-us/community/posts/115018699503-User-sounds-from-stand-alone-apps-not-available-in-Gadget-and-vice-versa

    Not sure if it helps, but you could all add your votes for the suggestion.

    It seems so limiting that there is no connection between userpatches.

  • @Peter321 said:

    @Samu said:
    I'm hoping there will be a way to sync presets between iMono/Poly and the Montpellier Gadget...

    Apparently it's possible to transfer the KLC Mono/Poly presets to iMono/Poly.
    http://www.benis.it/cm/suoni/ios_imonopoly.htm
    (It's 256 'KLC' patches for iMonoPoly).

    I've created a topic about in on the Gadget forum:

    https://support.korguser.net/hc/en-us/community/posts/115018699503-User-sounds-from-stand-alone-apps-not-available-in-Gadget-and-vice-versa

    Not sure if it helps, but you could all add your votes for the suggestion.

    It seems so limiting that there is no connection between userpatches.

    Done, hopefully we'll see a fix to this as well as 'proper' translation of the Montpellier Gadget and iMono/Poly app.
    I think there might be an issue with the presets since the 'Gadget' lacks the arpeggiator present in iMono/Poly.

    I also up-voted the posts regarding selection tool(s) which I feel are in need of some attention.
    Also the Wavestation & iM1 Gadgets could use more editing options.

    I do like the Montpellier Gadget more than the stand-alone app since everything is 'bigger' and easier for me to read :)

  • @Peter321 Upvoted. But iwavestation does transfer user cards to Gadget.


  • I have upgraded my level of interest from Alf to Knight Rider.

  • edited August 2017

    Real thing (real sound)

  • @AudioGus said:
    I have upgraded my level of interest from Alf to Knight Rider.

  • korg does not care about your suggestions. two updates and they haven't addressed fades in audio to avoid clicks and pops. they move to their own beat.

  • edited August 2017

    Real thing, around 12 minutes of minimal live tweaking, arp with some delay, recording on consumer DAT, year around 2001.

    'Monopoly Music - Swinging Towers'

    https://www.dropbox.com/s/pehxltudltkh2dp/track2.mp3?dl=0

  • @AudioGus said:
    I have upgraded my level of interest from Alf to Knight Rider.

    It's a lovely looking/sounding thing. I can't justify spending twenty big notes on it though, when I have a wheelbarrow full of Korg synths in the iShed already, particularly when you can stack em up in Gadget or AUM...

    Still want it though.

  • @MonzoPro said:

    @AudioGus said:
    I have upgraded my level of interest from Alf to Knight Rider.

    It's a lovely looking/sounding thing. I can't justify spending twenty big notes on it though, when I have a wheelbarrow full of Korg synths in the iShed already, particularly when you can stack em up in Gadget or AUM...

    Still want it though.

    Yah it would be an OK couch toy but the price is a good chunck out of a kickass VST that would really excite me creatively and have way more longevity.

  • edited August 2017

    When I was making music in the late 90s with my collection of analogue synths and no computer, my Mono/Poly was almost definitely my most used synth. Along with my Roland SH-09 and CSQ-600 (which I still have).

  • Okay, so I barely cracked the surface of this thing, but...

    https://www.dropbox.com/s/pif8127s2y2d99r/Gadget - Green Beam 02-trimmed-converted.m4a

    Made that in under 30 minutes this morning. Same cheesy trance melody I used when cobbling together the Kaspar test in Cubasis. All sounds are 100% Montpellier (which by rights should be spelled Montpelier, but whatever), 100% from scratch (either starting from the 1VCO template or the Noise template), and directly output from Gadget (you can tell due to the mixdown sounding rather rough/muddy instead of pristine when I mix down stems in Auria with FF plugs).

    The point of this test? To see if iMono/Poly, aka Montpellier, is a bread-and-butter/make-any-type-of-sound type of synth, and to me this is that synth. (Lexington lacks the patch bay. Wolfsburg is too thin sounding. Other Gadget synths are romplers or have more specific functions.)

  • I wish...

    Gadget would get a linear sequencer as well...i hate the gadget sequencer as most vocals dont start on the 1...or leads most of the time...making this sequencer just a pattern machine for me.

    Better audio tracks with a little bit of editing ability...lacks

    a sampler with sampling ability and chopping? with per pad efx etc

    add an audiounit gadget?

    ms20 gadget?

    vocoder gadget?

    guitar gadget with strings?

    a universal set of kaoss pads for all gadgets?

    the ability to use the guitar amp on other gadgets...i find it useless as is as i dont play guitar.

    Its such a premium priced app when buying all iaps etc...and its a closed system...so a few problems need solved before it is 100% worth it to me.

    I like gadget...but I want to love it

  • edited August 2017

    @u0421793 said:
    When I was making music in the late 90s with my collection of analogue synths and no computer, my Mono/Poly was almost definitely my most used synth. Along with my Roland SH-09 and CSQ-600 (which I still have).

    Purdy

  • At the rate Korg is going, a new release every three to six months consistently year after year, it's a safe bet everyone will get something that they want eventually. I know the Radias is planned. We could get more audio effect Gadgets with some internal routing possibly soon too.

    I imagine Korg has some secret laboratory in an underground base somewhere with all kinds of blueprints of dangerously good soft synths and samplers. I mean naming each Gadget after a city, how is that not a blatant hint at their ambitions to take over the world?

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