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Mmm. I was finding last night that actually I think it does have a 5 second limit. Certainly looking at the waveform that’s what it looks like. And I think it was cutting off after 5 secs too.
Pretty annoying actually because if you have a big string-like sample or other ‘pad sound’ which has a slow attack and a long release, you can’t really use it.
But I better try another test. You’ve given me some hope at least!
You need to rethink the way you sample. Sample the sound without any attack. You can introduce the attack phase in the sampler itself later.
I'm too 'old-school' as I usually only keep the looped portion of samples and use the envelopes for attack & release.
The ASR envelopes work well for me, but I'm mostly enjoying mapping the various parameters to the knobs on the nanoKEY Studio and voila, I've got a virtual Volca Sample which is what I wished Gadget would get.
Pitch and Filter envelopes would have been nice though.
Still hoping for Files.app integration for a somewhat seamless integration with BM3...
Thanks. I did try this actually but what I found was that Vancouver only seemed to allow 5 secs max anyway. So if you introduce attack using the attack knob in Vancouver, and it rises over 3 seconds to full volume, you only have 2 seconds of sound left to play. For a big evolving pad that’s not great.
Maybe I have to use the loop points and the sustain but that’s pretty crude (looping round 2 secs of sound). I’d rather be allowed 10 secs and get to hear all the evolving goodness from Alchemy or Animoog or whatever.
So I do get 10 seconds when I count it out and import that file. Seems to cut it at just after 10 secs.
But as you say, the waveform display is wrong. Only displays about 7 voice peaks, not 10.
Weird.
And I’m sure last night it was cutting off at 5 secs. But will retest.
Confirmed: you get to import up to 10 secs of audio but the waveform only displays 5 secs.
A bug basically.
But 10 secs is better than 5.
OMG so this sampler instrument has a 10 second time limit, no ASR, a defective waveform display and they want to charge $20 for it?
They might as well start charging a subscription fee if this is the best they can come up with to generate revenue.
There is an ASR envelope in Vancouver one for each voice.
For me the limitations spark creativity and after mapping the controllers on the nanoKEY Studio I basically have a Volca Sample with easier import of samples
For the more advanced sample-mangling/editing I'll keep on using BM3...
Well yeah you have to use the Sustain EG1 and EG2 for this. 2 seconds is pretty long for finding a good loop. You only have to sample the waveform, the modulations can be achieved differently and if not you just have to find a loop where that fits.
I'd suggest you rather make a looping sample over the amount of bars you need in alchemy and then import this into a Audio Track. Sampling evolving pads isn't very easy with that sample lenght constraint.
Just for example the core sounds I created for Sound Prism Link are all max 4 seconds long in average and the loop point is usually max 1 second long incl. the fade. Alle the mods and movement is done by the Soundprism Engine. That's how I approach sampling, therfore I'm happy that theres a sub osc and an lfo in vancouver.
I'm just bitter I can't buy this because I bought Gadget in another country and I can't put any money into my AppleID.
But I would also add that I would rather Korg stayed on course with their standalone apps that work as plugins than these overpriced IAPs. You get a better quality product and you don't have to suffer from having an incomplete collection.
Well don't you give in to the illusion that they will never charge you for updates. That's just because they want to lure in customers to their macOS version. That will change pretty soon, seeing the cut the price in half it's harder for them to monetize the OS version as the iOS version. Plus with IDAM you have those gadgets as plugins anyway so I don't see the benefit of having them as AU.
Agreed, I mean they 'Vancouver' could be just a 'Gadget' and the stand-alone app could be a proper 'Sampling Workstation' that could be used to generate content for Bilbao, AbuDhabi, Reciefe and the other 'Gadgets' that use Samples as source for their sounds (London, Marseilles, Kiev etc.).
I'm mostly bummed by the lack of Files.app support and no filter or pitch envelopes and lack of 're-sampling'.
Sure it's easy to automate the pitch and use the IFX for filtering but it's quite tedious and re-sampling can be done with 'export to iTunes' since the content will be directly availble...
Thanks - that all makes total sense and is very informative. I'll take this on board and see if I can get the loop point thing working.
Is there an LFO in Vancouver? Are you referring to the Vibrato? Other than that, unfortunately there is not much of a sound engine to play with in Vancouver. If you could modulate a filter or other effects (per voice ideally) that would be good. But unfortunately you can just add delay/reverb (or a granular effect).
I much prefer making an instrument in Gadget rather than recording a long phrase in Alchemy because obvious it means much greater flexibility in using this new instrument in my track (and other tracks in the future). But I totally take your point that just recording a few bars of audio in Alchemy is an easier route in many ways.
You're right, its vibrato only, my bad, the lfo thingi is in Lisbon. You could always layer something on top
I'll stick my demo here

Would you recommend the nanokey studio? I've been looking at it, but it gets mixed reviews
I love mine but do try it out in a music store first as the 'feel' is not to everyones taste.
No (for me) noticeable lag or latency and the BT connection to both my iPad and MacBook Air has been solid.
Be warned the feel is nothing like a 'regular' synth-keyboard. It's more like an old-school C64/Amiga which I happen to enjoy very much
Thanks for that, will give it a try, not too worried about the keyboard thing but would live to use it in parallel with a usb connected nanokontrol and I am unsure whether ios will support this
exactly.. makes the looping visually a nightmare, unless you import a sample of 5 secs or less then its all good.. it's a tough call to alert korg to the bug.. what if the 10 seconds allowance is the bug and they squash that !, !
hoping it's merely a visual bug they will fix and maybe we can lobby for an extra 5 or 10 secs to get us nearer 20secs?? ok, unlikely given korgs record but still worth a punt, meantime speeding up a ten sec sample one octave in twistedwave and importing gives a nice workaround, probably doing the same with a 10 sec recording will help if graphic loop editing is essential..
I kind of like the kranky lofi effects... and the fact they have incorporated the nice echo from the rosario gadget that really sounds authentically like a pedal when you mess with the delay time for some psychedelic jiggery pokery.. the apollo reverb from Lexington has that nice freeze effect when you turn it all the way over.. which is all a bit Eno but nice to have for sure..
I also like the fact it will accept Mp3z or M4a's, which is fine for the lofi quality intended and saves on app bloat.
The 'smooth' setting on the loop doesn,t seem to make much effect and I'm still puzzling over the mono switch.. is it mono when its red light is on but it says 'off' or is it mono when it says on with no light.. does it mono the fx? i can hear a difference but can't tell whichnis actually mono!! ear fatigue maybe?
+1. It’s getting a bit weird now that Korg haven’t come up with a fully fledged sampler app and associated Gadget, and instead keep knocking out these half-hearted attempts.
Possibly because it could affect volca and electribe sampler sales ?
So does 10 seconds speeded up an octave result in less than 5 secs? If so - I might try (in Hokusai since I don't have twisted wave). Otherwise the wave form will still be off (not that that really matter to me unless i'm using a loop point). It's a nice cheat anyway... could get me more than 10 secs too. (e.g. 20 seconds sped up an octave). The only issue is that the audio probably starts to sound a bit weird at some point (as you you move away from the note you sampled).
I'm rather liking the apollo reverb too. Certainly for big over the top reverb - not so much for more subtle stuff.
I too cannot hear any difference when using the 'smooth' setting on the loop function. I wonder what it does?
The 'mono' stands for monophonic, rather than mono/stereo. It's a bit counter intuitive but if you turn it ON then it makes the sampler only play one note at a time (a ew note cuts the previous note). You can hear it - it definitely works.
The portamento is quite a nice touch by the way - adds some nice expressive slide between notes. I found it worked really well on my new Animoog patch because it kind of emulates what the Animoog keyboard can do.
Probably, yeah.
I’ve just watched Doug’s vid, and another one, and I’m getting tempted by Vancouver now. It’s basic, and the sample time is very annoying, but you can get some nice effects with the oscillator stuff. Thing is I don’t really use Gadget...
I have read a few times about Apollo reverb, to what are you referring? Is that in gadget? I’m not seeing it if so.
Yeah, I feel like I’m sometimes collecting Gadget. I get all new Gadgets (eventually), yet I will use them for a while, then go back to whatever AU host I’m using at the time (currently BM3 and AUM).
Then the Gadgets just sit there gathering virtual dust
Yeah I just watched too, not tempted though, I have permanently closed that particular money pit. I got electribe sampler 1 week ago so am getting my sampling kicks from that
aha! MONOPHONIC.. now it all makes sense..dooooohh! I was convinced it was all part of its 'lo-fi' charm, . does monophonic turn the portamento into legato mode then I wonder?
yes, 12 tones up is half the length/double the speed, in twistedwave you have to move the pitch up 12 as well to get proper tape speed up.. 12 tones is maximum for one process in twisted so easy to set. hadn't thought of hokusai, must look if its simpler there.. but twisted has nice easy doc picker from and to audioshare and can output in mp3 and a lot of other formats.. after all this time it's still the closest audio editor to the old Cool Edit lovelyness..