Korg Gadget: Stockholm by Reason

robosardine

@RUST( i )K said:
Even as kind as some people are, it seems a hard time to be really gushing about this release
and "upgrade"......lulz

After sitting on it a night.

I feel that this was nothing more than cross promotional sales techniques with a truly rudimentary approach.

It is a shame more time, thought, and ambition wasn't put into making Gadget a better rounded music platform that filled the needs still identified by its users.

But to release a Gadget centered upon a file matrix that the majority of iOS music makers really don't use seems ....... wtf

I don't even know.

I am a sarcastic big mouth with always something to say, and I am just over this.

Moving on.

Stockholm Syndrome, not my cup of tea.

Not going to be a hostage to this hype.

And oh,

BWW: Take AliPoopa and shove it up your ass why you are at it. We are all not that stupid of what that is all about either. Duh.

The gig is up. Korg and Reason.

Poorly executed by two great companies.

Yes, vented.

Thirty yarder.. smashed straight into the top corner!....... keeper had no chance........... and there goes the final whistle!

u0421793

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eggcorn

R_2

Check the description on YouTube, including a link to his free rex files

lovadamusic

@InfoCheck said:

@lovadamusic said:

@shiftsynth1 said:

@RUST( i )K said:

@ruggedsmooth said:
It looks like Korg is taking propellerheads philosophy so I guess we should expect to see AUv3 implemented in about 10 years time, lol.

Tough fucking crowd in these parts.

Glad you are all my friends and not enemies!

LOL

Yeah, I mean I get it though. Everyone knows you shouldn't put money into something for what it will be but I think with how much Korg asks of us that its hard not to be a little butt hurt when they seem to be heading in a direction contrary to what most users want. Korg can suck a few hundy out of you, when garage band is looking more versatile you can start to feel betrayed a tad.

Unfortunately, some people made a poor buying decision and want to blame Korg. I bought Gadget years ago. Once I decided it worked for me, I bought the IAPs. I've been using it the same way here and there ever since, while benefitting from all the free updates, and buying more IAPs as I wanted them. If Korg added nothing since, I'd have gotten my money's worth.

It was years ago that I and others posted on this forum that Gadget was unlikely to go AUv3, that it was designed as a simple and reliable closed system, to sell Korg IAPs, and that Korg would stick to how they view the product. So far, that's held. People still expecting different.

I don’t know that people made a poor buying decision by buying Korg apps years ago, but I do know it’s doubtful Korg will be getting any more of my money until they adopt AU as I strongly prefer its workflow versus IAA as well as its stability.

I have passed on many Korg synths the last couple of years as they didn’t provide AU support which similar apps did. Sugarbytes, Moog, VirSyn, iceWorks, and PPG are just some of the developers who have added AU support to their apps which I appreciate.

Hopefully at some point Korg will do the same. I wish Apple had and would provide better AU support and documentation so the transition to IAA could be smoother and easier for all developers to do.

I wish I knew more about Korg's business, especially as it relates to iOS -- mostly out of curiosity because, practically speaking, Gadget works fine for my needs. I'm not sure I'd even update if they changed it drastically, at least until I was sure they hadn't messed it up.

I've always suspected that Korg is really not interested in AUv3 or opening Gadget up on iOS because they don't like or trust Apple's implementation and support. They want to retain as much control as possible of the Gadget environment. Their intended market is not technos wanting to realize all the potential of iOS inter-app capability, and they don't want the headache they'd get trying to satisfy that demanding user. There must be many users like me who just enjoy the simplicity of Gadget, and also like me, who primarily integrate it with the desktop. I don't need it to do more, and I'm not that demanding other than it does what I paid for. Korg may be fully aware that they can't make everyone happy. That's all just a guess on my part.

EDB

This is a pretty big tool for me. If you watch any d&b amen break sampling videos this is cutting out all the sample slicing work and adding a big chunk of effects and layering workflow.
The final push for me having to get it is I love loopmaster’s samples and have a ton of rx2 files.

AudioGus

Wish I got my rex on back in the day and had a big library to pull from. Not like I am going to start now. Sounds like this update just shines a big light on the general shortcomings of Gadget in general.

kinkujin

Wow. To each their own I reckon. After watching Doug’s video I was like, “I’m buying this”.

Then after finding out that if buying Gadget for Mac that I’d get all the synths on vst, I was like, “Korg, you’ve got me again!”

I’m downloading as we speak.

AudioGus

@kinkujin said:
Wow. To each their own I reckon. After watching Doug’s video I was like, “I’m buying this”.

Then after finding out that if buying Gadget for Mac that I’d get all the synths on vst, I was like, “Korg, you’ve got me again!”

I’m downloading as we speak.

Sounds like I cant even import a wav, no?

Matt_Fletcher_2000

@AudioGus said:

@kinkujin said:
Wow. To each their own I reckon. After watching Doug’s video I was like, “I’m buying this”.

Then after finding out that if buying Gadget for Mac that I’d get all the synths on vst, I was like, “Korg, you’ve got me again!”

I’m downloading as we speak.

Sounds like I cant even import a wav, no?

Correct

AudioGus

@Matt_Fletcher_2000 said:

@AudioGus said:

@kinkujin said:
Wow. To each their own I reckon. After watching Doug’s video I was like, “I’m buying this”.

Then after finding out that if buying Gadget for Mac that I’d get all the synths on vst, I was like, “Korg, you’ve got me again!”

I’m downloading as we speak.

Sounds like I cant even import a wav, no?

Correct

ChrisG

Finally a proper slice and dice:er in Gadget. Abu is cool, but Octo is far more powerful. Amazing addition to the Gadget universe. I got more sampled drum loops, breakbeats, plus moar samples and samples, then I’ll ever be able to use, but it’s an addiction so...And ReCycle is the finest slicer around. Hopefully the props ports it to iOS as iOS really could use a proper slicer like ReCycle.

RUST( i )K

@robosardine said:

@RUST( i )K said:
Even as kind as some people are, it seems a hard time to be really gushing about this release
and "upgrade"......lulz

After sitting on it a night.

I feel that this was nothing more than cross promotional sales techniques with a truly rudimentary approach.

It is a shame more time, thought, and ambition wasn't put into making Gadget a better rounded music platform that filled the needs still identified by its users.

But to release a Gadget centered upon a file matrix that the majority of iOS music makers really don't use seems ....... wtf

I don't even know.

I am a sarcastic big mouth with always something to say, and I am just over this.

Moving on.

Stockholm Syndrome, not my cup of tea.

Not going to be a hostage to this hype.

And oh,

BWW: Take AliPoopa and shove it up your ass why you are at it. We are all not that stupid of what that is all about either. Duh.

The gig is up. Korg and Reason.

Poorly executed by two great companies.

Yes, vented.

Thirty yarder.. smashed straight into the top corner!....... keeper had no chance........... and there goes the final whistle!

AH YEAH!

JohnnyGoodyear

@gusgranite said:
Hmm... just found out that my Samples from Mars collection includes Rex files. Darn it.

JohnnyGoodyear

@Matt_Fletcher_2000 said:
After some web investigation it looks like the Rex format is proprietary and the ONLY way to create your own Rex files is to buy Recycle for $99 or Reason for who knows how much.

I think that’s an important consideration for anyone deciding to purchase Stockholm or not.

If I’m wrong on the above - I’d love someone to correct me!

I own Gadget on a Mac so I’ve had a play. And I went and bought an £8 pack on Loopmasters with 100 or so Rex files to try out.

My bottom line on this is:

• it’s quite specialist. You could do almost as much with Abu Dhabi unless you are really, really into this kind of sample chopping kind of music / workflow. In which case it might offer something more.

• if you have reason / recycle or loads of great Rex files it probably worth £10 if you’re a Gadget user

I found that you can import Rex files one by one. But also if you have a Mac with an iCloud folder that Gadget uses (I do) then you can batch drop all your Rex files in there. However there’s still no way of previewing before you load into Stockholm.

The ‘synth’ part of Stockholm is quite interesting. You can assign an LFO (inc 2 random waveforms) to either osc (sample) pitch, filter cutoff or pan. You can also automate almost all the functions in the synth screen. And you have some flexibly over what the mod wheel and velocity effects (eg the filter, env ammount etc).

So... if you hooked up to a midi controller carefully. Or you did a few passes in Gadget modulating different things, you could end up with a pretty unique sounding ‘beat’ fairly quickly. With the right source material loaded in (see above) that would be pretty cool.

I guess think Blockswave, Sector, Reslice or that Sugarbytes one with the robot on (I forget its name). If you like those, you’ll like this!

I just wish I could create my own Rex files. But I don’t think I’m willing to spend another £100 on that privilege!

If anyone knows how I could get Reason Lite to create Rex files then please let me know because I reckon I must have a licience for this with various Korg midi controller purchases I’ve made in the past (eg Nanokeystudio) if I can find the box!

Very good backgrounder/assessment there Sir.

I happen to have a fair amount of REX and if I can find a rainy day (and am sat close to a power outlet) I think the automation on this will lead to some fun backbeats of odd stuff. Not certain it will be a mainstream object. Maybe. I would REALLY really like to see a league table of the IAPs bought by volume for Gadget....

Egoist. Not me. The Sugarbytes thingie.

Kühl

@jwmmakerofmusic said:

@Kühl said:

@jwmmakerofmusic said:
Too bad it wasn't a Gadgetised version of Thor.

Man, that would be so great I’d pass out for 5 minutes

Well if it happens, don't! Five minutes less in your lifespan without the Oslo gadget. (My prediction of what Thor would probably be called in Gadget.)

You’re right mate, pass me the smelling salts.
But it really should be called Nidaros, as the vikings called Trondheim
(Please don’t be from Oslo)

jwmmakerofmusic

@Kühl said:

@jwmmakerofmusic said:

@Kühl said:

@jwmmakerofmusic said:
Too bad it wasn't a Gadgetised version of Thor.

Man, that would be so great I’d pass out for 5 minutes

Well if it happens, don't! Five minutes less in your lifespan without the Oslo gadget. (My prediction of what Thor would probably be called in Gadget.)

You’re right mate, pass me the smelling salts.
But it really should be called Nidaros, as the vikings called Trondheim
(Please don’t be from Oslo)

I don't think Korg would be THAT clever. You give them way too much credit in the naming department. They'd only probably think "Thor is a Norse god, and Oslo is Norway's capital. That's what we'll call it."

But whatever it'd be called in Gadget, just know it would be my goto synth over iMono/Poly by a f---ing mile.

MdM

Don’t fall into the novice mistake I did and try and import into the presets bit under the word Stockholm, use 1 of the 8 slots above the wording “select loop” and your good to go.

I did the same thing but I don't think it's that novice a move tbh. There is an import option (when you click the main patch name) and it's not for midi rx2 or drex files currently. When you click the patch name and then select a new patch say it changes in all slots so looks like similar format to drex if not drex format. Hopefully they enable that functionality and maybe they're just trying to gauge interest. Maybe they are seeing how many people in this set up would then purchase reason (or even recycle) but reason so they can make drex files. For people that want to use wav, I can't see that. Recycle is a fair option. Very easy to cut wavs up/save as rx2 format. I'm surprised at this point there is no recycle for ios but then again propellerheads main focus seems to be PC/MAC

MdM

@R_2 said:

@johnfromberkeley said:
I can’t figure out how to simply make it play in gadget. I can bang on the slices and get noise out, but I can’t figure out how to get the noises in the track.

Another easy way is to hit the “copy loop to track” button:

Yes you can copy to track or draw notes in. If you copy to track, you can of course still move the notes around to create variations

gusgranite

@JohnnyGoodyear a compromise... I purchased Stockholm (of course I did) but I have uninstalled Gadget from my iPad to make room and installed it on the family iPad for my son to use as he’s starting to get into it. I will still dip in now and again.

MdM

@MAtrixplan said:

@Janosax said:

@MAtrixplan said:
anyone knows how to find .drex files on my pc? I can't find them

You will need an unofficial software called Refill Unpacker.

So if I have Reason with Octo Rex Player, I can't use sounds from it?

Important to clarify. Right now you cannot play files that work with the octo rex player. The octo rex player is *.Drex files - which you cannot import into Stockholm. You can only import *.Rx2 files which were from the rex player in reason 1-4. Rx2 can only be imported by clicking on the name of the loop under the 8 buttons. Again if people want to import wav files, recycle is your best bet since once you slice the wav up, you can save as *.Rx2 format and then import. In later versions of reason you can make Drex files and hopefully they update gadget so that you can make use of that functionality. If you have reason 1-4 then you can probably use those providing the files *Rx2.
As mentioned some people use the refill unpacker but technically you don't even need to. If you have reason with a rex device that supports *.rx2 - just save patches to dropbox and import.

MdM

@MAtrixplan said:
anyone knows how to find .drex files on my pc? I can't find them

You will need an unofficial software called Refill Unpacker.

So if I have Reason with Octo Rex Player, I can't use sounds from it?

Important to clarify. Right now you cannot play files that work with the octo rex player. The octo rex player is *.Drex files - which you cannot import into Stockholm. You can only import *.Rx2 files which were from the rex player in reason 1-4. Rx2 can only be imported by clicking on the name of the loop under the 8 buttons. Again if people want to import wav files, recycle is your best bet since once you slice the wav up, you can save as *.Rx2 format and then import. In later versions of reason you can make Drex files and hopefully they update gadget so that you can make use of that functionality. If you have reason 1-4 then you can probably use those providing the files *Rx2.
As mentioned some people use the refill unpacker but technically you don't even need to. If you have reason with a rex device that supports *.rx2 - just save patches to dropbox and import. A lot of the confusion Re import and what files are supported is because they leave us to work it out for ourselves and being able to preview a rex loop outside probably won't happen as it's easily stolen that way.

MdM

@gusgranite said:
Can anyone confirm that Sector imports Rex files?

Just bought it and it don't

MdM

@AudioGus said:

@kinkujin said:
Wow. To each their own I reckon. After watching Doug’s video I was like, “I’m buying this”.

Then after finding out that if buying Gadget for Mac that I’d get all the synths on vst, I was like, “Korg, you’ve got me again!”

I’m downloading as we speak.

Sounds like I cant even import a wav, no?

The only way to import wav is using recycle I believe. You cut it up and then save as Rx2

rs2000

@JohnnyGoodyear said:
I happen to have a fair amount of REX and if I can find a rainy day (and am sat close to a power outlet) I think the automation on this will lead to some fun backbeats of odd stuff. Not certain it will be a mainstream object. Maybe. I would REALLY really like to see a league table of the IAPs bought by volume for Gadget....

Egoist. Not me. The Sugarbytes thingie.

When I saw the announcement I already saw myself sitting on the couch and playing around, previewing and combining RX2 loops from my >20k rex files collection. Reminded me of the good times I had with Stylus RMX on a small laptop.

Now if I get it right, Stockholm doesn't even allow me to preview a file before loading?
Also, are folder hierarchies supported?
Can I use any kind of local WiFi file sharing to access files?
Internet/cloud-based services are not an option, much too slow here.
I do have to ask because on iOS, nothing can be taken for granted

AudioGus

@MdM said:

@AudioGus said:

@kinkujin said:
Wow. To each their own I reckon. After watching Doug’s video I was like, “I’m buying this”.

Then after finding out that if buying Gadget for Mac that I’d get all the synths on vst, I was like, “Korg, you’ve got me again!”

I’m downloading as we speak.

Sounds like I cant even import a wav, no?

The only way to import wav is using recycle I believe. You cut it up and then save as Rx2

This is like the evil opposite of Files support.

AndyPlankton

@RUST( i )K said:

@robosardine said:

@RUST( i )K said:
Even as kind as some people are, it seems a hard time to be really gushing about this release
and "upgrade"......lulz

After sitting on it a night.

I feel that this was nothing more than cross promotional sales techniques with a truly rudimentary approach.

It is a shame more time, thought, and ambition wasn't put into making Gadget a better rounded music platform that filled the needs still identified by its users.

But to release a Gadget centered upon a file matrix that the majority of iOS music makers really don't use seems ....... wtf

I don't even know.

I am a sarcastic big mouth with always something to say, and I am just over this.

Moving on.

Stockholm Syndrome, not my cup of tea.

Not going to be a hostage to this hype.

And oh,

BWW: Take AliPoopa and shove it up your ass why you are at it. We are all not that stupid of what that is all about either. Duh.

The gig is up. Korg and Reason.

Poorly executed by two great companies.

Yes, vented.

Thirty yarder.. smashed straight into the top corner!....... keeper had no chance........... and there goes the final whistle!

AH YEAH!

And the crowd are on their feet, they're going wild !

AndyPlankton

@AudioGus said:

@MdM said:

@AudioGus said:

@kinkujin said:
Wow. To each their own I reckon. After watching Doug’s video I was like, “I’m buying this”.

Then after finding out that if buying Gadget for Mac that I’d get all the synths on vst, I was like, “Korg, you’ve got me again!”

I’m downloading as we speak.

Sounds like I cant even import a wav, no?

The only way to import wav is using recycle I believe. You cut it up and then save as Rx2

This is like the evil opposite of Files support.

AndyPlankton

@rs2000 said:

@JohnnyGoodyear said:
I happen to have a fair amount of REX and if I can find a rainy day (and am sat close to a power outlet) I think the automation on this will lead to some fun backbeats of odd stuff. Not certain it will be a mainstream object. Maybe. I would REALLY really like to see a league table of the IAPs bought by volume for Gadget....

Egoist. Not me. The Sugarbytes thingie.

When I saw the announcement I already saw myself sitting on the couch and playing around, previewing and combining RX2 loops from my >20k rex files collection. Reminded me of the good times I had with Stylus RMX on a small laptop.

Now if I get it right, Stockholm doesn't even allow me to preview a file before loading?
Also, are folder hierarchies supported?
Can I use any kind of local WiFi file sharing to access files?
Internet/cloud-based services are not an option, much too slow here.
I do have to ask because on iOS, nothing can be taken for granted

I suspect that 'No' is the answer to all of those questions.

ChrisG

For what it’s worth, I’ve been asking the internets for a 1:1 ReCycle copy for iOS, or that the Props port ReCycle over to iOS. To which they said “good idea”. This was a few months ago on twitter, who knows what it means, that whoever was in front of twitter over at Propellerheads thought it sounded like a good idea? Or...”Good idea...just you wait and see, son. Just you wait and see...”

Munibeast

@AndyPlankton said:

@rs2000 said:

@JohnnyGoodyear said:
I happen to have a fair amount of REX and if I can find a rainy day (and am sat close to a power outlet) I think the automation on this will lead to some fun backbeats of odd stuff. Not certain it will be a mainstream object. Maybe. I would REALLY really like to see a league table of the IAPs bought by volume for Gadget....

Egoist. Not me. The Sugarbytes thingie.

When I saw the announcement I already saw myself sitting on the couch and playing around, previewing and combining RX2 loops from my >20k rex files collection. Reminded me of the good times I had with Stylus RMX on a small laptop.

Now if I get it right, Stockholm doesn't even allow me to preview a file before loading?
Also, are folder hierarchies supported?
Can I use any kind of local WiFi file sharing to access files?
Internet/cloud-based services are not an option, much too slow here.
I do have to ask because on iOS, nothing can be taken for granted

I suspect that 'No' is the answer to all of those questions.

Yes, you can preview or rather prelisten the files, there's a play button next to each loop in the drop-down menu for that.