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The below pic, is for peeps to get an idea of the prices of the rest of the forthcoming plugins..
.. so there will be no surprises, (hopefully) and you can start saving from now.
You’ll buy them if you want/need them, you won’t if you don’t.
King
...and..
King
Wait, what am I seeing in this picture? There's a big notch around 2k, represented by white. But what's the blue?
The blue is the side..
M = Mid.
S = Side.
Pro-Q 2 is fully Pro, - pun intended.
King
I got all the Auria FF joints so I think I’m gonna hold off till at least Black Friday and see if any sales or if any bundle discounts when other plugs are released
There are a few people on BM3 forum who already bought these and have been testing. Works fine but apparently it's a cpu hog. One user was saying they could really only run one instance at a time which takes away a great amount of AUv3 benefit for me. That person was saying to use it on individual tracks for spectrum analyzer and then go back and use BM3 built in EQ but seems pointless. Or you eq one track at a time and render to audio but also pointless if you can't make adjustments to each track in real time. Of course CPU may be dependent on other plug ins running, version of ipad etc.
My biggest gripe since moving to iOS production is that there are no trial/demo versions for most of the good apps. I would love to test stuff in my workflow for even an hour before deciding to drop $30-50 on an app. I've already been burned by several apps that don't work for me in my workflow
Still on the fence. Can someone check and see how well the Eq match works with preset saving in Cubasis? I understand you can’t save curves/profiles inside the plugin, but can you save them as presets using the AU host?
One of the main things I’m looking to do with Pro Q is EQ match my master bus against a captured pink noise curve for balance. I’m sure I can load a pink noise wav as a track in cubasis and capture the curve in Pro Q, but it’s a workflow killer if I can’t save various noise profiles (with or without tilt) and have to re-capture the noise for every song.
Never mind, I couldn’t wait. The host preset system in Cubasis only seems to save EQ settings. The input reference spectrum for EQ match doesn’t save in the preset or within the plugin, although there’s an option to save it inside the plugin listed. Perhaps it’s on the roadmap to be added later.
Sounds like those BM3 users already had CPU demanding sessions to begin with, before they tried to introduce Pro Q2. It is by no means a CPU hog in my experience. Here’s some perspective on a 1st gen iPad Pro running a stems mixing session in AUM with 7 instances of Pro Q2....5 of which I’ve crammed on the screen with each of their spectrum analyzers active. DSP is bouncing around 16-18%.
I’m coming to the realization that this is probably a fairly necessary EQ if you’re doing serious music on the iPad. However, I’ve also come to the sad realization that I am not doing serious music on the iPad.
Cheers to Fab Filter. I hope this brings a cascade of professional plugins to iOS.
Folks, if you need an eq with surgical precision, this is the one.
The only eq to match it, is it’s own 'EQ Match' (see what I did there).
King
Thanks. What host are you running them in?
[Those ^ are in AUM]
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I just did a quick test in BM3:
New blank session, just loading them on 1 pad:
1 instance = 1%.
2 instances = 2-3%.
3 instances = up to 4%. (but mainly @ 3%)
It’s an idle test, (in stop mode) so it will increase a little if something is feeding into it, and you have the interface displayed.
(btw, remember the spectrum display(s) can also be switched off, to conserve).
For me, BM3 can bounce around, quite aggressively in some projects (reported to Intua)
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One of the advantages of Auria vs BM3 is the freeze mode.. - that can/will also be a help when running many instances of the native Q2 within Auria/Pro.
Mini 2 - 11.4
King
Thanks. Yes not being able to freeze is a big downfall for BM3. I'm hoping it will be added soon. But I'm ready to pull the trigger on the Fab filter
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King
Couldn’t get 16 to load though, they all crash when loading the 15th or 16th..
Interesting..
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But 15 ^ @ 10%.
King
Spectrum Grab Works!
Was this already discussed? Am I late to the party?? I first thought this feature was disabled on the iOS version but I was wrong, thankfully. Spectrum Grab is one of Pro Q2s strongest features IMO and it’s definitely worth a YT tutorial search. It’s kind of mind blowing.
For those like me who may have missed it, here’s how to access it in iOS land.
Tap this icon from the “Analyzer” panel to activate Spectrum Grab.
Close the Analyzer panel then long-press anywhere on the spectrum. It’ll first turn purple and then blue. Once it has turned blue Spectrum Grab is active and you can start doing the amazing things you just learned from that YT tutorial.
@KING777
I can open about the same number on my iPad Pro 10.5 - but successfully session-reload only 13 of the ProQ2 AUs. In Cubasis, i only can reload sessions with a maximum of 10 instances.
For comparison : In Auria Pro i can use over 50 native ProQ2s with only 17% CPU
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I already messaged FabFilter about this misbalance and hope they can do something about it . I assume it is a memory problem, as AUs only get a fixed total amount of memory for all their instances.
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High instance numbers is not a general AU problem, as i can open up/reload 50 ZMors EQ AUs in my AUM test session. I am currently preparing a summary of my tests with several native and AU EQs in several hosts.
Yeah @brice IIRC it (Spectrum Grab) was disabled when Pro-Q 2 was originally launched in Auria, but later they (FF) updated it.
Works great!
@_ki, also yes, I can only “RELOAD LAST SESSION” in AUM with max 14 instances.
Good you reported it. Saves me the time..
Look forward to the tests summary..
King
AFAIK AUs are only allowed a total of 300mb of RAM across all the instances of each plugin - so if you are running 10 instances of Pro Q2 and they are using a total of 290mb of RAM together, the next instance you add will crash them all. Seems like a weird design choice by Apple, and hopefully the memory limit will be increased at some point.
I still wonder how iOS handles multicore, ram and thermal throtteling (like it seems Apple don‘t care about these in the latest macbooks).
Still strange that in some combinations newer devices are not much better.
Is there any DAW benchmark for iOS.
From the short periode i had my new iPad Pro 10.5“ it wasn‘t much better with the same apps as my iPhone 6S plus.
Maybe iOS devices also reached the limit of physics about thermal issues and this thinner, thinner, thinner thing doesn‘t do it at this point for a „pro“ device.
I really want to layer a lot things and play them live.
It seems that is not working great on iOS (and mac as well sometimes).
I‘m already scared that the next iPads will melt down if they try to double the (short time)performance again.
@richardyot Thanks for your comment, i was aware of the memory limit (i have read 300MB for 32bit/360MB for 64bit somewhere) but this does not explain the different behavior in Cubasis (10 instances) and AUM (13 instances).
I used the same buffer size and sample rate in the different hosts, so memory needed by the AU instance should be the same. But i didn‘t yet programm an AU or looked up the available sources, so no first hand experience.
This also applies to ZMors EQ (49 AUs in AUM, 26 AUs in Cubasis, 25 AUs in AuriaPro)
It's probably down to the memory overhead of the host app itself. AUM will have a lighter footprint than Cubasis and Auria, so more free memory full stop.
wow, this is incredible! thanks for the tip!!
Yeah, that could be the cause of the difference. I hope Apple will raise the memory limit in an upcomming IOS update.
Or perhaps even better remove the limit and add new AU API functionality for the hosts to querry the available AU memory/requirements of a specific AU so that they can warn the users before actually loading/running the plugin (and crashing all instances as of now)
I like the new features and to use as a standalone in my mastering chain. Your all going to love ProL2 especially for metering and mastering. Many mastering engineers finish off with ProL.
https://forum.audiob.us/post/quote/27327/Comment_517835
You have to hold your finger on the blank area of the plugin while moving your other finger to the desired db. This slows the numbers down so that you can hit the desired amount. Lift the dial finger first so that the setting doesnt move. In the new AuV3 you can tap and hold on the gain ,Q and fequency info window, it will turn blue with 2 ball handles and the iPad keyboard pops up and you can now input your value and tap enter and the point moves to that entered value. Cheers.
I’m 'guessing' this one will be next!
King
That's what i guessed too (no quotations) too, probably followed by Pro-R. I just hope they don't wait too long to get to the creative ones. I need that Timeless 2 everywhere.
FINALLY!!! Got it. Probably the only Fabfilter plugin I need outside of Auria as I much prefer to perform the mixdown in AUM rather than a traditional DAW.