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There y'go. You want that bendy shake the guitar effect too. Lol.
@PaulB Oh you bet I do
@Rhism Buddy, That's so awesome. I'm having internet problems today.. keeps cutting in and out.. but the first 30 seconds was awesome. Great Job! Trying to share it but again.. net won't let me. :-(
@Rhism...I liked how you stood up to reveal an iPad! That would make for a great commercial! In fact, I was thinking today how much impact an AudioBus + apps tv commercial would have. Although word is spreading, a tv spot would wake up the world of musicians as well as others who haven't considered playing music before. Your vid could be the opening scene.
@funjunkie27 I thought about that too... I mean I'm pretty sure he panned it like a commercial, but the TV thing.. I keep expecting for apple to make an AB commercial for garageband.. Guess we'll have to wait and see. Would be pretty awesome to see any of these apps on the TV though :-)
@funjunkie27 @Ryan People still watch TV?
I love TV, It did raise me after all. ;-) lol!
@Rhism - I believe my wife does...I hear it over my iPad from time to time ;-)
Nice video. @paulb made me laugh pretty hard. I've decided to take @rhism's smiley as "it's in the works". Reality be damned.
@syrupcore Everything is 'in the works' as in I daydream about it from time to time
The only thing that is actually really in the works is IAPs for midi, extra sounds and custom chords 
Though then I read the backlash to Animoog / Meteor / Music Studio charging for midi via IAP, and folks complaining that midi should be free and standard, and it makes me just not want to spend any time on midi.
Guitarism is a great app...'out on its own,one of a kind',but needs full midi implementation.its essential,a basic requirment and the most needed addition to put Guitarism in that league of,'fully functioning studio grade apps'.
How its added is up to you Adil.I'd be happy to pay for it.
Nice vid.id need a wrist strap on my ipad before I tried that tho!
Dont want it dropped and 'Hendrixd' by my small,sweaty hands!
@commonstookie Perhaps something I should have asked earlier, but it'd be great to know what you'd plan to do with the midi functionality. In very specific terms, e.g. if guitarism had midi out you would use it to control X, Y and Z apps, if guitarism had midi in you would use A, B and C apps to control guitarism. Given that there are already two very good midi-enabled guitar apps on the app store, it'd help me to understand why adding midi to guitarism adds any value to the universe.
Midi is great for fine tuning the little errors that creep in to my playing.
Quantising individual notes by a fraction(32/64) can tighten up the whole feel of a track.some argue that the live,loose feel is lost when quantise is slapped on everything.having the choice is handy tho.
Being able to adjust velocity on individual notes is also important.it can change the whole sound of a chord.
The ability to record midi(in/out)would allow me to record my performance to a daw in midi/edit(midi)in that daw/then midi trigger Guitarism from that same daw and record it to audio....all timings/velocity corrected.
That's just one way to use it.
Guitarism is also the best AB enabled strumming app.this means it can act as (midi) controller to say tj's guitars.i could then run them through ampkit and so on.
It just makes for a more versatile app that I can use in any number of ways.
I can see that this may negate the need to purchase guitarism iap sounds tho.
Saying that,I've found amp and effects apps have already given me all those sound anyway.
I want your app to be fully functional so that ppl buy it because it does everything we want an app to do.i don't want another dev to beat you to the punch.midi is an essential requirement for any AB app.
Love the vid, great singing and a very cool t-shirt too!
@commonstookie Thanks, this is helpful. Fixing note timing / velocity sounds really useful, and something I hadn't thought of before. That alone is a good reason to implement MIDI. I'm curious about controlling TJ via guitarism midi out. Is that something you've tried (and liked) with LiveGuitar or WI Guitar? Which other instrument apps would you want to control from guitarism? And conversely, which midi controllers would you be interested in using to control guitarism, if I added midi in? I'm asking because I want to make sure I test with the apps that make the most sense, to handle compatibility issues and to make sure I have the right set of features for it.
Wrt charging for midi: it's a ton of work to make midi work well, and different kinds of work for midi out vs midi in. If I wanted to just slap in a basic midi out feature I could've done so 2 months ago. But there's lots of weird glitchy stuff in there that needs time and TLC to test and iron away, and I care way too much about offering a seamless, pleasant user experience to ignore things like that. Audio glitches, latency issues, missing note on / off messages, getting the config UI to be clear and simple to understand and use, handling runtime midi connection changes, compatibility issues etc.
If I thought that adding midi would automatically increase guitarism's sales (like adding iPad support, or Audiobus support) I might be able to justify making it part of the app, but I see no indication that this is the case. As far as I can tell it's a niche feature, otherwise LiveGuitar would be selling like hot cakes (unfortunately it's not). So if it's a niche feature that takes up a lot of my time, I'd have to offer it via IAP or just not do it at all. Realistically I believe I'd have to charge $10 for it just to break even on my time investment, which I suspect is going to cause online riots to break out. So if that niche audience will complain about paying for it, I just lose all motivation to spend months on a niche feature that a vocal minority wants for free. I'm trying to combat this problem by adding midi features above and beyond the norm, but we'll see how that plays out. In the meantime, any input I get from you guys wrt how you'd intend to use midi in guitarism helps a ton as it helps me focus my time.
@PhilW Thx! My wife made me that tshirt
I'd definitely use iFretless and Geo to control Guitarism, my first ports of call for any stringed instruments. Re missing note offs in MIDI input, some controllers use note on with a velocity of zero, so that needs to be taken into account. Since Guitarism doesn't do infinite sustain, you could just wait until a given note's sample ends and if no note off or zero vel note has been received for that note, act as if one has, although seeing as the sample has finished playing, there may not be much to do. Lol.
With regard to MIDI out, I'd play Guitarism as normal, picking and strumming, but I'd be using exotic string instrument samples in apps like Thumbjam, Music Studio and Bismark bs16i.
Adil,thanks
I have tried tried WI guitar with TJ.
IMO,the ability to strum TJ's guitars does give them a more realistic sound.please try it so you see what I mean.
Any app that supports virtual midi and has 'strumming instruments'..banjo,harp??,ect
Or picked instruments..base,sitar ect
Could be controlled from Guitarism.
@PaulB Thanks - good to know. Of course, supporting the iFretless / Geo style of midi is way way more work too
But good to know. Wrt missing notes, yeah actually I haven't even started working on midi in yet, it's midi out that's baffling me. I'm sending note off's to TJ, and some of them are just not getting there (or something else is going on). I've learnt to trust that TJ can do no wrong, so it goes back to figuring out what I'm doing wrong. What I'd give for a MIDIBus-like solution...
Do you have MidiWrench?
@commonstookie I find that TJ's preset guitars' sound design is better for lead than strumming. And this goes for most midi apps on iOS - they're primarily designed as lead instruments, so they sound weird if you strum them. So yes, I can get TJ's guitars to achieve a kind of strummy effect via midi in, but I can get a much better strumming sound using the controller app's built-in sounds. So I'm trying to figure out if midi out on a strumming app is actually useful or is it just a novelty? Which synths do you guys find it useful (i.e. you've done it more than once) to control via MIDI from LiveGuitar or WI Guitar?
@PaulB I'll give MIDIWrench a try - thanks for the tip!
I have to confess, I haven't used LiveGuitar as a controller. I find the chord selection mechanism a bit awkward, although I LOVE being able to set my own chord voicings.
@PaulB funny you should say that... Last night was my first REAL session with LiveGuitar. I had no problem getting the midi working but the way you need to use chords (extremely confusing) and the resposiveness to strumming just isn't there like it is with guitarism. I kept hitting the whammy bar pad or pulling down the iPad drop down menu accidentally. I tried it mostly cause I agreed with @rhism that guitarism might not need midi with other iOS apps. But now that I've tried it, I'm leaning towards Guitarism needing it again. Well "need" is a strong word. :-)
At the moment, Midi In for Guitarism seems superfluous, as it only has the one sound (I know that may change) and that can be played wonderfully within Guitarism. To me, it is the strumming (and picking) interface that makes Guitarism different and it would be great to use that with other sound sources. Thumbjam and Sampletank are the first that spring to my mind, but playing a synth with Guitarism would be cool too.
You'd still need midi out from guitarism to send the notes to a daw..so as to quantise and alter velocity.??
TJ has quite a bit of reverb applied to most of its instruments.
WI also seem to add its own reverb or sustain to notes??
If you take all of tj's effect off to start with,
you get a good (strummed) sound.
Im using tj acoustic and anderson guitars.
I appreciate that Jesse didn't intend them to be strummed to start with,but this is the beauty of the users.We bastardise your creations and make them do things you never intended them to do.(hopefully in the process your apps become even more useful)
A video has just been posted by derreck...
His timing is almost bang on,but for those few off notes,midi would have been handy..
MIDI in on Guitarism would let me fingerpick my own chord voicings and do the occasional slide, grace notes, even melodies.
@PaulB @Ryan Understood about interface concerns with LG, but how about WI Guitar as a controller? Have you found that useful for anything beyond the novelty factor?
Agreed that midi in is a low-value concept for an app with a single sound, although I do have folks asking for it and even when I tell them it'll be IAP some of them say they'd happily pay for it. So I'm still trying to get to the bottom of why people want this
Even if you could use iFG to control guitarism, why not just get the sound out of iFG directly? Or from the hundreds of sounds you already have in all the other apps (TJ, SampleTank etc). @PhilW agrees with this, but I'm trying to understand from the rest of the folks on here if they have a real interest in midi in to guitarism. @PaulB Agreed that you'd get to do your own voicings etc, but then you can already do that on TJ, iFretless etc, no? Is the guitarism sound that much better that you'd pay for that ability?
On the flip side, I'm also trying to understand if 'strumming' a synth from guitarism would be useful at all. If it is useful, then you guys would already be doing it from LG or WI. If it's not particularly useful but still an interesting novelty, I can see people wanting to do it and maybe even paying money for it, but ultimately not using it more than once.
@commonstookie 100% agreed that fixing timing and velocity is a useful scenario, and this would require midi in and out support. But luckily that would require very limited midi in/out support, as it would not need things like string bending, fretless, full range of notes etc. So if that's the only really useful scenario for midi in guitarism, then that completely changes how I think about it. Also wrt TJ sounds it's not just the reverb, the guitar has a slower attack which works well for lead but causes latency for strumming.
Keep it simple for guitarism Adil.
Add the complexity to lead guitarism.
At the moment, Guitarism is the only app I like to use for strumming, although I can also happily use others for picking. Given that I'm using your interface for strumming, with the sounds you've optimised for that purpose, if I want to create a track that goes strum, strum, twiddle, twiddle, slide, twiddle, strum, then I'd prefer to use the same guitar sounds, even if that means switching to another interface and overdubbing the twiddle, twiddle, slide, twiddle.
@PaulB Interesting. Ok I'll buy that argument. That's a lot of work though, for you and for me