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@Samu @Poppadocrock Happy holidays and great to hear!
I'm trying to make the workflow a bit easier, especially with editing. Here's some of what I'm working on. Let me know if you have ideas for the voicing editor especially.
It's looking good, especially having the transpose/inversion controls on screen at the same time as the pads.
(meaning it's easy to tap a pad, do an inversion tap another pad and also try out different inversions).
I'm kinda 'lazy' so 'auto-strum/pick patterns' could maybe be a nice feature?
(it could be a simple list of with a note-number/tie/rest and duration per step, in case it's a longer pattern the same note could be used more than once indicated bu note-number, beware of feature creep when an option for octave pops up as it would make it a proper 'arpeggiator/step sequencer' per pad).
Don't know how it could be done but somehow I feel there could be a faster way to preview chords/inversions etc. per note.
(ie. hold down a note and tap2try different 'chords & inversion' until you find something that 'fits').
Cheers!
Yeah I’ve been putting off a lot of sequencing features to avoid overcomplicating the interface, but that’s a tempting compromise. I’ll definitely consider it.
Sorry but what exactly do you mean by per note? As in previewing how the voicing changes when one note is moved?
Thanks for the response!
Should have typed 'per pad' instead of per note, sorry...
In short having the buttons for inversion/transpose options visible while all the pads are on screen is a quite nice speed boost when assigning & modifying the chords.
Have not figured out yet how to easily change the root note of an existing chord (Maybe transpose +/- could also be an option?)
Sometimes changing the chord on an existing pad the name is not always updated?!
(I've not nailed down when this actually happens but it leaves the pad name 'empty' and I just remove the pad and create a new one).
Don't focus too much on the sequencing stuff swiping up/down on the pad is enough fro strumming and one can always route the output to an arpeggiator or something.
Cheers!
This app turned like ultra sick with these new options. Cheers and thanks for making music theory available and easy to understand. I feel like the midi chord packs are leading some peeps for a letdown unlike yours where you eventually know what and why your doing.
@Samu Got it, thanks for the clarification. When you say change the root, do you mean transpose the whole chord? If so that’s what the sharp and flat buttons are for.
The pad name will be left empty if you create a custom chord. You can type a chord name on this page, however. The rename tool (4th from the right in the video) also lets you add or change a label, so you shouldn’t have to delete and recreate pads. Let me know if you figure out more about when the empty pad label happens (or if it’s just because of the custom chord)
@oceansinspace Thank you and glad to hear you think that. Definitely my goal in making this, and I have a lot more theory integration coming.
Gotcha, was just puzzled a bit since I kept looking for the sharp/flat buttons and could not find them anywhere in the current version...
No worries, good to know it's there
@Samu Double tap on the tool pad (or swipe up and down) to get to them in the current version. I know it's a bit of a pain which is why I'm making this version.
Hi!
I love your app, and am in awe of your kind responsiveness to all the ideas that have been offered. I really like the chord and scale grimoire, with guitar and piano, and yes the chord pads are marvellous. You have a great skill for clever interface - I love the velocity implementation with the pads. Thanks for putting so much energy into such a usefull tool!
I hate to pile on with another request, but I went in looking for a feature that seems a good fit for the app, and did not see that it is possible - what I am hoping for is a way to construct custom scales and arpeggios, in which each note added gets placed then in every instance on the guitar neck or piano (avoiding the need to enter each note individually). So for example say I find the notes C, E, and F played as arpeggio to be intriguing, I'd love to be able to draw them in on a guitar neck in one location and see all the other places that those notes are available, with perhaps note names or a color scheme so I can identify easily spots where all three notes congregate. While an analysis of the harmonic functions possible from such groupings would be very cool, it is not a necessity. I would be likely to screenshot the resulting graphical output with the intent to print on paper
For some reason my comment was forshortened, and it ommitted the part where I thank you for the great software, and for listening to us all! Thanks again.
@MidiVanHalen Thanks for the kind words!
Something like this?
Yupp, I just keep it as 'delete pad' as default since it's the easiest way to remove pads
But good to know the tools are there. At first I 'accidentally' swiped at the thing and wondered where the 'delete pad' went.
So yeah, the new 'design' is very much welcome.
Cheers!
Looks great, although the scale degrees would be dependent on a context - my example was something I would perhaps use over A minor. Perhaps a way to indicate desired harmonic context, or maybe skip it entirely and allow choice of color for each note input, just to make it clear where they occur. It might be neat to be able to change those colors after the fact to easily visualize each group (or inversion) - the first group of three notes are green the second inversion is red etc. Just some thoughts!
I have always done these types of charts over the years on paper, but oh man my squiggly lines are hard to look at - I just know your application can make a much nicer result! After all, this is the future - we still have no flying cars or robot butlers, but man we can draw some nice straight lines!
@MidiVanHalen Thanks for the ideas! What I’ve got right now lets you choose a parent scale (so you could definitely start with A minor instead of C like I did) and then selectively put in or take out pitches for the shell voicing/arpeggiation. It will have presets for the main scale chords as well. There’s of course an option to show pitches rather than scale degrees.
Aha! So this already exist within the app? I can pick an Am scale, remove all the notes and then add mine in to see the results as relates to Am? Do I understand that correctly? Very cool, I must say!
@MidiVanHalen Not in a published version but it will soon! And yes you understand correctly. Someone else suggested something similar recently so I’ve been working on it a bit – nice timing
I see the create custom scale offering, and its dialogs for note input (name, degrees, descending degrees) - is it possible to do note entry by touching an image of a guitar neck or piano keyboard?
@MidiVanHalen Not currently but that’s something I’ve been thinking about. The issue is that without more input the app can’t tell whether to use something like a #4 or b5 (since custom scales are transposed into every key). Definitely doable but requires a bit of careful consideration and some UI elements that I want to be clean and not clutter the interface.
This is a separate idea to our earlier discussion, right? Just making sure we’re on the same page
Well I am delighted that custom scales and arpeggios is on your roadmap, I am sure you'll do it well. I'm most interested in the ability to produce an easy to visualize guitar and piano user created "shapes" graphic. Having that graphic represent also the harmonic context, while no doubt very cool as it might suggest ways to use note combos in ways not immediatly obvious, is not strictly necessary. If I could add colored dots to a neck by touching the screen where I'd like the note placed, and then adding a title (like maybe "sounds good over a dom chord 1/2 step down" or some such) that would be really useful! I can see the potential to add a specific harmonic context to the constructs, perhaps in addition to an option for none, but I'd hate to see perfect be the enemy of good - something simple would be better than nothing! You are so kind to discuss this all good sir, gracias!
@MidiVanHalen I'll keep all of that in mind! Thanks again for the feedback.
@espiegel123 (and anyone else with a deeper background in theory)
I'm working on an automatic voice leading tool. Aside from the obvious minimization of movement, are there any considerations you think would be useful? Right now I'm thinking about:
Option to avoid collapsing fifths and octaves would be good.
Some sort of option that influences how much variation to have in intervals can be nice to avoid too much parallelism. Some sort of way to influence close vs. spread voicing.
Maybe option to allow passing tones in interior voices.
One of my beefs with some chord melody work is when people do almost all parallel motion.
@TonalityApp : re root in the bass. You might want to consider options to have root in the bass only when the chord is on the 1 (or 1 and 3).
@espiegel123 Noted, thanks! I particularly like the interval spread idea. I’ll try to get a beta out soon.
Happy New Year – version 8.5 is out!
This includes many more scales as well as better filtering by tags. You can also view any modes of a given scale.
Let me know if you have other scales you want added or alternate terminology.
Editing in the chord pads had been improved: all tools become visible on the bottom when in edit mode. Still working on voice leading and some other workflow enhancements.
More to come!
@TonalityApp thank you, happy new year
@TonalityApp Thank you for the update, the pad tools are now where the are supposed to be.
Only wish would be that the app 'forgets' what the last used tool was when leaving the editing mode.
Ie. if I had for example 'delete pad' selected as the tool and then go into pad edit mode and use the other (invert, transpose) etc tools the last used tool remains selected when leaving the edit mode and I have to double-tap on the tool and select delete again.
Will dig in deeper later. The 'add bass note' is so useful for creating massive pad chords
(Love the app for actually learning the name of the chords I play at random on the keyboard).
Cheers!
@Samu Noted! I’ll change it next update. I had envisioned storing the last used tool as a feature, but it’s probably more useful to preserve one tool in the collapsed view as you described.
Glad it’s working well otherwise!
@TonalityApp , many thanks for a great app and the continuing fantastic updates. Might be a daft question but is there a way to replace all instances of the piano keyboard by a guitar fretboard. E.g. when selecting notes for chords it is via a piano. Being a guitar person the keyboard is just a hinderance to me. Regards.
@GeoTony Very welcome! Which section of the app are you talking about? For chords and scales, you can display guitar only using the buttons pictured above.
For the chord pads, change the edit mode to guitar.
Let me know if you're talking about something else