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I'm using my personal experience as a metric. Unfortunately there really is no quantifiable data on marketshare for NLE and DAW software that I can find. My experience is 20 years working in professional feature film/broadcast television industry. I'd say right now it's about 90% Avid and 10% Adobe on the NLE side and 100% Pro Tools on the DAW side in those industries. The only real metric that is quantifiable is the sale Mac/OSX computers which as of end of 2019 made up about 7.6% of the market share so that limits the market share for FCPX and Logic. Everywhere I have worked over the past 20 years in the industry has been 100% Mac based but no place I have worked has used FCP or Logic but I also admit that Logic is more popular with music creation than audio post production and sound design work. I know FCPX is used in a lot of universities because Apple has good education deals. I am sure there are a lot of people who work independently who use FCPX but once you scale up to jobs where you need to have multiple people working on the same projects at the same time FCPX isn't a great solution.
I am active in several forums for music production and video production and I'll still estimate that 90% of the people I see posting are using Avid/Adobe for NLE and Pro Tools/Ableton/FL for music with some Reaper/Studio One/LMMS. I rarely see anyone discussing using Logic these days. The forums I'm in that are dedicated to professionals are people that are generally using whatever tools their companies provide. The forums that I'm on where people are actually buying (or pirating) their own software tend to be more Windows users due to cost of entry so not much FCPX/Logic users there.
We could debate market share of different desktop apps all day but I'm on this forum because my tool of choice for music is my iPad and I'm very happy with Zenbeats these days so I really could care less about Logic coming to iOS. If it does and it's free I'll definitely check it out but if Zenbeats squashes a few annoying bugs that exist and add a couple of features that are lacking I'll have no reason to use anything else.
Apple sells hardware for profit, wants to sell services for profit, having more PRO apps on the iPad Pro, will sell more iPads and will increase their services revenue. So they bring Logic and Final Cut to iPad.
this. back when apple bought emagic and killed windows support for logic, they pretty rapidly god rid of the dongle (although somewhere I've still got the little white plastic apple-embossed thing) and a friend of mine said - yep, the dongle is now the Mac. if you want to use logic, you have to spend at least a grand on a Mac. and as the poster above said, although avid have it completely sewn up in recording / post with protools (like, I can't remember the last time I worked in a studio and tracked to anything other than protools, almost always on a mac), a lot of composers / songwriters use logic.
also, from personal experience, I travel a lot and use Cubasis for sketching ideas. this caused me to buy cubase for desktop. if logic came to the iPad I'd have no need.
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he's been mostly right. got a couple of dates wrong (on the new mbp 13) but otherwise he's been spot on
The whole ProTools in all the major studios thing just kills me. I am the director of a Music Industry program at a local college. We are not in 2005 anymore. Logic, Cubase, FL Studio, Studio One, etc. dominate market share. Many studios have long left ProTools.This is just what I see as I work in this industry every day. Another thing, NAMM show 2020, nothing but a sea of Macs and iPads as far as the eye could see. Yeah, Macs are on the way out. Joke!
"I am active in several forums for music production and video production and I'll still estimate that 90% of the people I see posting are using Avid/Adobe for NLE and Pro Tools/Ableton/FL for music with some Reaper/Studio One/LMMS__"
Really? Ever been to vi control? Logic and Cubase are most composers DAW of choice.
I'm just sick of this "Pro Tools is the industry standard." I mean so is a Ford Taurus, but I would rather drive a BMW.
Rant over, I apologize.
Just dropped for macOS at least
no need to apologise. it's just a matter of taste. for composition, logic and cubase are streets ahead of protools, but for tracking and post production neither comes close to protools. and for those disciplines, it is the industry standard. it's it not really a Ford Taurus, either. The best studios and post houses in the world use PT for very sound reasons.
I mean, not trying to start a "which is the best daw" thing, cause that would be pointless. each has their strengths and weaknesses
I’m imagining Mainstage with that for 30€... wow (I have it but not installed for the big library...)
Exactly. PT is probably more of the F150, a work horse. That's why I clarified that I'm specifically talking about the film/television post production/mixing/sound design industry. And in 20 years of dealing with studios in that world I still have not dealt with anyone using anything other than Pro Tools.
I’m so with you! So bothered when people try to tell me that I have to have Pro Tools as it is industry standard. They probably just want to feel better about their expensive Pro Tools subscription that they barely use 😄
same.
I have the big library installed as well and hopefully there will be a bunch of completing sound packs when the update drops...
Wonder if I need to re-install the sample libraries as some samples have glitches in them or if they are updated automagically.
Hope the update drops later today here in Sweden...
(Oh, just had to search for it in the AppStore and tap update, didn't show up under updates as usual).
Yay, all the GarageBand packs are now part of the sound library, 10GB+ additional news sounds too
Mainstage 3.4.4... asking for 5 as logic ueeeeeeeeeeeeeee!!!
@rms13 I thought we were talking about market share? Sorry if I misunderstood. Big production houses pale in comparison with the number of end users. In my eyes, it's all about the home studio now. That's where the money is, obviously. The big guys can keep giving their money to Avid, but I think that will change in the near future. Just my opinion.
I used to work for Apple, can you tell? lol
well, you can safely ignore anyone who tells you you "should" use anything - daw or otherwise. I use my protools subscription every working day, and have done for more than 20 years (I've been using it since v 3.4). for what it's worth, I use cubasis on iOS , Cubase, Ableton, Logic and Reason on desktop for writing depending on need, and Protools for tracking, mixing and mastering. And I know people who will look at me bewildered when I say I use it for mastering.
but do what works for you. I think the original poster was just saying that there are some things protools is better suited to. for example, if you're tracking an orchestra, locked to video and need sub-millisecond latency for headphone feeds, PT HD is pretty much the only thing you can use, and is likely the only thing the engineer will feel confident / comfortable with. this has been the case for quite a while, now.
So my first observation about Logic 10.5 is that almost all new additions (sampler etc) come in a 4:3 iPad-ish format. Coincidence?
Oh, I totally get it. Like I said, I thought he was talking about market share. And btw, I teach Pro tools and Logic. I'm 62, I've been doing this since 1985! If only I had half of the synths I've sold!
Time to play with 10.5. Hope it can do live looping.
I guess I can relate to what @fritzm posted last. I'm part of the working from my home studio industry where there is no clear Pro Tools dominance. More on the production side. Have nothing much to do with big tracking or post production studios.
oh god, I know the feeling. same with gear. it's weird how people now talk of "warm" fm synths and the "rich" sound of an SSL e-series, when in the 90s (when I started) these were bywords for cold and clinical...
Funny! I too remember when we all thought the 808 and 909 were toys. I sold my Jupiter for a DX7. Wow.
I did say market share but corrected myself in another post to say I am talking about market share in the industry I work in. As for greater music production world I’m a hobbyist and iPad is the greatest thing to happen since sliced bread. For full disclosure, I used to work for Avid years ago so I’m a little biased too haha. I used to have PT LE and the original Mbox that I got with employee discount about 20 years ago. It was cool when I used to play in a band and record live instruments but I wouldn’t want to work in Pro Tools for the music I make now which is all midi and software instruments.
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Wow, honestly I can’t wait then. I’ll drop 100$ if it costs it. Hopefully it’ll be A combination like GarageBand ease of use + Arturia power + Cubasis but on steroids.
Actually a direct port of logic would be good enough lol
Apples end game is supposedly merging code so all apps will run on mobile and desktop OS:
https://mashable.com/article/apple-combine-iphone-mac-apps/
I've also read that they plan on moving to the using the mobile processors in desktop and laptops so basically everything will be the same platform eventually with the exception of pro workstation computers if they even continue that product line.
Well I said it, it will not be the same Logic... now the old logic is mainly gone with few pieces resting and new additions coming from iPadOs...