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Why is Apple scamming us and itself?

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  • BroCoastBroCoast
    edited August 2019

    @vov said:

    @espiegel123 said:
    @vov: It is up to a consumer to do some due diligence.

    I am surprised to hear that someone interpreted the marketing as guaranteeing that you could literally do anything with an iPad Pro that you could do with a laptop and that there would be an iOS equivalent for every existing "pro" app. It is really hard for me to see those ad campaigns as being a scam or more egregious than most marketing.

    If having Logic Pro or its equivalent was important to you, why not find out if it existed first?

    iPad Pros are technologically pretty amazing but that doesn't mean that the software will be there to accomplish every possible task or take full advantage of the hardware.

    There is loads of information out there about the state of music apps -- if having a desktop-like DAW is important to you -- you could have done some research.

    I surely did my due diligence and research.
    I studied information provided by Apple, but unfortunately it was false, and by it I mean factually incorrect, and not that I was misled by some marketing epithets like you think.
    There were also some apps and information about them that were misleading. Take Beatmaker 3 for example. It has beautiful interface, but it becomes very unstable just with a few good AU synths.
    And unfortunately I didn’t came across any honest comparison disproving Apple claims that iPads Pro are a good substitute for laptops or even computers. Just look at how much “flame” do I get for simply stating those facts in this thread and how many people want to dumb down this topic. There’s quite a lot of misrepresentation.
    I hope the information I provided will fill that void and be a warning to other people who consider an iPad Pro as a substitute for a laptop.

    If iOS was viable for pro audio work we'd see it used and promoted by professionals. Apple themselves make it pretty obvious these devices can perform pro tasks for the hobbyist be it audio or video. They don't mislead consumers by suggesting you can rely on an iPad to perform the duties of a studio computer or pro video editing machine.

  • vovvov
    edited August 2019

    @BroCoast said:

    @vov said:

    @espiegel123 said:
    @vov: It is up to a consumer to do some due diligence.

    I am surprised to hear that someone interpreted the marketing as guaranteeing that you could literally do anything with an iPad Pro that you could do with a laptop and that there would be an iOS equivalent for every existing "pro" app. It is really hard for me to see those ad campaigns as being a scam or more egregious than most marketing.

    If having Logic Pro or its equivalent was important to you, why not find out if it existed first?

    iPad Pros are technologically pretty amazing but that doesn't mean that the software will be there to accomplish every possible task or take full advantage of the hardware.

    There is loads of information out there about the state of music apps -- if having a desktop-like DAW is important to you -- you could have done some research.

    I surely did my due diligence and research.
    I studied information provided by Apple, but unfortunately it was false, and by it I mean factually incorrect, and not that I was misled by some marketing epithets like you think.
    There were also some apps and information about them that were misleading. Take Beatmaker 3 for example. It has beautiful interface, but it becomes very unstable just with a few good AU synths.
    And unfortunately I didn’t came across any honest comparison disproving Apple claims that iPads Pro are a good substitute for laptops or even computers. Just look at how much “flame” do I get for simply stating those facts in this thread and how many people want to dumb down this topic. There’s quite a lot of misrepresentation.
    I hope the information I provided will fill that void and be a warning to other people who consider an iPad Pro as a substitute for a laptop.

    If iOS was viable for pro audio work we'd see it used and promoted by professionals. Apple themselves make it pretty obvious these devices can perform pro tasks for the hobbyist be it audio or video. They don't mislead consumers by suggesting you can rely on an iPad to perform the duties of a studio computer or pro video editing machine.

    Not true at all. You can easily find links to pros promoting iPad Pros.
    And nothing like Apple disproving it. Please stop spreading your misinformation.

  • BroCoastBroCoast

    @vov said:

    @BroCoast said:

    @vov said:

    @espiegel123 said:
    @vov: It is up to a consumer to do some due diligence.

    I am surprised to hear that someone interpreted the marketing as guaranteeing that you could literally do anything with an iPad Pro that you could do with a laptop and that there would be an iOS equivalent for every existing "pro" app. It is really hard for me to see those ad campaigns as being a scam or more egregious than most marketing.

    If having Logic Pro or its equivalent was important to you, why not find out if it existed first?

    iPad Pros are technologically pretty amazing but that doesn't mean that the software will be there to accomplish every possible task or take full advantage of the hardware.

    There is loads of information out there about the state of music apps -- if having a desktop-like DAW is important to you -- you could have done some research.

    I surely did my due diligence and research.
    I studied information provided by Apple, but unfortunately it was false, and by it I mean factually incorrect, and not that I was misled by some marketing epithets like you think.
    There were also some apps and information about them that were misleading. Take Beatmaker 3 for example. It has beautiful interface, but it becomes very unstable just with a few good AU synths.
    And unfortunately I didn’t came across any honest comparison disproving Apple claims that iPads Pro are a good substitute for laptops or even computers. Just look at how much “flame” do I get for simply stating those facts in this thread and how many people want to dumb down this topic. There’s quite a lot of misrepresentation.
    I hope the information I provided will fill that void and be a warning to other people who consider an iPad Pro as a substitute for a laptop.

    If iOS was viable for pro audio work we'd see it used and promoted by professionals. Apple themselves make it pretty obvious these devices can perform pro tasks for the hobbyist be it audio or video. They don't mislead consumers by suggesting you can rely on an iPad to perform the duties of a studio computer or pro video editing machine.

    Not true at all. You can easily find links to pros promoting iPad Pros.
    And nothing like Apple disproving it. Please stop spreading your misinformation.

    You are trolling. Post links to actual industry professionals (not content creator/youtubers) promoting the iPad Pro for music.

  • SimonSimon

    @vov said:

    I just think the information I provided should be freely available to anyone without asking.
    That’s why I wrote it here.

    Thanks for sharing your information.

    Unfortunately it seems most people here don't agree with the premise of your question about Apple scamming us.

  • vovvov

    @BroCoast said:

    @vov said:

    @BroCoast said:

    @vov said:

    @espiegel123 said:
    @vov: It is up to a consumer to do some due diligence.

    I am surprised to hear that someone interpreted the marketing as guaranteeing that you could literally do anything with an iPad Pro that you could do with a laptop and that there would be an iOS equivalent for every existing "pro" app. It is really hard for me to see those ad campaigns as being a scam or more egregious than most marketing.

    If having Logic Pro or its equivalent was important to you, why not find out if it existed first?

    iPad Pros are technologically pretty amazing but that doesn't mean that the software will be there to accomplish every possible task or take full advantage of the hardware.

    There is loads of information out there about the state of music apps -- if having a desktop-like DAW is important to you -- you could have done some research.

    I surely did my due diligence and research.
    I studied information provided by Apple, but unfortunately it was false, and by it I mean factually incorrect, and not that I was misled by some marketing epithets like you think.
    There were also some apps and information about them that were misleading. Take Beatmaker 3 for example. It has beautiful interface, but it becomes very unstable just with a few good AU synths.
    And unfortunately I didn’t came across any honest comparison disproving Apple claims that iPads Pro are a good substitute for laptops or even computers. Just look at how much “flame” do I get for simply stating those facts in this thread and how many people want to dumb down this topic. There’s quite a lot of misrepresentation.
    I hope the information I provided will fill that void and be a warning to other people who consider an iPad Pro as a substitute for a laptop.

    If iOS was viable for pro audio work we'd see it used and promoted by professionals. Apple themselves make it pretty obvious these devices can perform pro tasks for the hobbyist be it audio or video. They don't mislead consumers by suggesting you can rely on an iPad to perform the duties of a studio computer or pro video editing machine.

    Not true at all. You can easily find links to pros promoting iPad Pros.
    And nothing like Apple disproving it. Please stop spreading your misinformation.

    You are trolling. Post links to actual industry professionals (not content creator/youtubers) promoting the iPad Pro for music.

    Just google. I don’t want to spread it.

    @Simon said:

    @vov said:

    I just think the information I provided should be freely available to anyone without asking.
    That’s why I wrote it here.

    Thanks for sharing your information.

    Unfortunately it seems most people here don't agree with the premise of your question about Apple scamming us.

    That makes it even more important for me to talk about it and stop misinformation.

  • SimonSimon
    edited August 2019

    @vov said:

    That makes it even more important for me to talk about it and stop misinformation.

    Yes, we really need you to convience us....vitally important.

  • skratskrat

    @vov You're really just trolling here. Sorry, but I can't imagine an adult person spending over $1000 for a device and realistically expecting that one vague marketing statement can be taken literally and will 100% overlap with all your specific individual expectations. I would use the analogy with cars in a bit different way: it's like buying car that states something like: "with this car you'd feel like in your luxury living room". So you'd expect that you'll be able to install there a huge 150cm TV, because you have such TV in your luxury living room, but there's no room for that and actually there is no car on the market that has this.

    I don't think you believe that Redbull will make you grow actual angel wings and make you capable of flying, so believing that iPad Pro is "exactly the same as desktop" would be equally naive. For such investment, you're expected to do some research. If you have very specific needs (e.g. fully loaded DAW), then it's always better to at least visit the store and ask the staff there what are the available apps. Or, as several people mentioned here, do your research online. If you'd asked people here, they'd told you what you can realistically expect.

    I understand your frustration that there is currently no "perfect" DAW, compared to desktop world. But you simply can't expect a product that started focusing on pro users just a two years ago to have exactly as mature ecosystem and software options as desktop world, which is in the game for decades.

    And on the other hand, for many users, this advertisement is completely true - many people consider iPad pro a better alternative to standard laptops / desktops. I know many people in graphics industry who switched to iPad pro because it's far superior (in their experience) to e.g. Wacom tablets paired with desktop.
    Or even in music industry: Take a look at stages where renowned musicians perform - many of them incorporated iPad into their setups, for some iPad is even the central device. Not to mention many DJs who switched to iPad in recent years. They're making for living using iPad, what can define "pro" better than this?

  • espiegel123espiegel123

    @skrat: well said

  • MobileMusicMobileMusic

    If iPads have to do what laptops can, they won’t give you 10-hour battery - to begin with. The apps on iOS devices (including the browsers) are stripped down versions of desktop counterparts to make them work on stripped down devices with stripped down O/S

  • ecouecou

    @vov I don't think you have stated what fontinnality that you need is missing from IOS daw.

    I happen to think Cubasis is Pro enough for my music production needs. And also Auria PRO is Pro enough for my mixing and mastering needs.

    Do the iOS version have as much feature as the desktop version. No... But do you actually need all those feature to produce your music. I say "NO" .

  • ElvisthenrodentElvisthenrodent

    Okay, you’ve made your point. And it is really annoying to feel betrayed by a brand.
    For what it’s worth three years ago i lost 10 k on a car that didn’t turn out to be what it was. Worser things are possible believe me.
    But what are the options if you want to make music on a laptop/tablet/desktop.
    I think we all agree on this that apple is the way to go.
    Maybe you did not dive deep enough to know what the potential is of your device? It.s just a question not meant to piss you off.
    As i see it either you sell it, trade it in against a desktop or laptop. Take the hit financially and move on, life is too short.

  • palmpalm

    expecting a tablet to do what a laptop or desktop does will certainly lead to disappointment.

    Auria Pro and Cubasis are very capable daws, especially with players like eventide and fabfilter showing up on the scene.

    But I gotta say, I've had more fun (and made more music that I actually like) in AUM with incredible plugins from small developers than I've had with my years of using Ableton and other desktop DAWs. I do use Ableton for mixing my AUM projects, as I admittedly find it faster and a better UX than ios daws. Once NS2 gets audio tracks, that's bound to change.

    in my experience, integrating an ipad w a hardware setup has been much more rewarding and intuitive than doing so with a laptop. More limited, sure. But I find that no limits often leads to no music.

  • espiegel123espiegel123

    @MobileMusic said:
    If iPads have to do what laptops can, they won’t give you 10-hour battery - to begin with. The apps on iOS devices (including the browsers) are stripped down versions of desktop counterparts to make them work on stripped down devices with stripped down O/S

    And also, by their nature, touch devices and keyboard devices have different strengths. One hopes that developers will create apps that make good use of touch interfaces and enable music making in a different way than desktop/laptops. I don't want my iPad to be a keyboardless laptop.

    Desktop/laptop DAWs have been around for ages and have been refined over that period of time. Logic is well over 20 years old.

    There are some pretty nice DAWs on iOS but they aren't replacements for desktop or laptop DAWS (and honestly on a laptop most DAWs are suboptimal if you don't have a second monitor attached).

    There are good reasons that a DAW intended for use out-and-about (i.e. on a mobile device) would be different from a DAW intended for a static environment.

  • rarienrarien
    edited August 2019

    @vov in case you do not refund your iPad here are some links for you to look at for consideration.
    It is not exhaustive or in any matter of preference.
    Some are not DAWs in a traditional or straightforward sense.
    Note: At the end of this list you may likely need these last three of four apps depending on your needs. (Certainly Audiobus and/or AUM)

    Apologies to all for the unnecessarily long post.

    Auria Pro - Music Production by WaveMachine Labs, Inc.
    https://apps.apple.com/us/app/auria-pro-music-production/id1016291290

    BeatMaker 3 by INTUA
    https://apps.apple.com/us/app/beatmaker-3/id1060317024

    NanoStudio 2 by Blip Interactive Ltd
    https://apps.apple.com/us/app/nanostudio-2/id1112601015

    Cubasis 2 by Steinberg Media Technologies GmbH
    https://apps.apple.com/us/app/cubasis-2/id583976519

    KORG Gadget 2 by KORG INC.
    https://apps.apple.com/us/app/korg-gadget-2/id791077159

    Rozeta Sequencer Suite by Bram Bos
    https://apps.apple.com/us/app/rozeta-sequencer-suite/id1292546479

    Xequence 2 by Seven Systems Cross-Platform Media Limited
    https://apps.apple.com/us/app/xequence-2/id1464669442

    Music Studio by Alexander Gross
    https://apps.apple.com/us/app/music-studio/id328608539

    SunVox by Alexander Zolotov
    https://apps.apple.com/us/app/sunvox/id324462544

    Audulus 3 by Audulus LLC
    https://apps.apple.com/us/app/audulus-3/id1027525593

    modstep by AppBC
    https://apps.apple.com/us/app/modstep/id966990643

    MultitrackStudio for iPad by Giel Bremmers
    https://apps.apple.com/us/app/multitrackstudio-for-ipad/id776998585

    MultiTrack DAW by Harmonicdog
    https://apps.apple.com/us/app/multitrack-daw/id329322101

    Infinite Looper by Secret Base Design
    https://apps.apple.com/us/app/infinite-looper/id1054808350

    Thesys by Sugar Bytes GmbH
    https://apps.apple.com/us/app/thesys/id655513441

    VividTracker by Lars Forsberg
    https://apps.apple.com/us/app/vividtracker/id758491913

    Caustic by Rejean Poirier
    https://apps.apple.com/us/app/caustic/id775735447

    FL Studio Mobile by Image Line Software
    https://apps.apple.com/us/app/fl-studio-mobile/id432850619

    GarageBand by Apple
    https://apps.apple.com/us/app/garageband/id408709785

    Spectrum Synthesizer Bundle by Thomas Burns
    https://apps.apple.com/us/app/spectrum-synthesizer-bundle/id1467384251

    FabFilter Pro Bundle by FabFilter
    https://apps.apple.com/us/app-bundle/fabfilter-pro-bundle/id1469377147

    Lemur by Liine
    https://apps.apple.com/us/app/lemur/id481290621

    Logic Remote by Apple
    https://apps.apple.com/us/app/logic-remote/id638394624

    Audiobus 3 by Audiobus Pty Ltd
    https://apps.apple.com/us/app/audiobus-3/id1129130361

    AUM - Audio Mixer by Kymatica AB
    https://apps.apple.com/us/app/aum-audio-mixer/id1055636344

    AudioShare by Kymatica AB
    https://apps.apple.com/us/app/audioshare/id543859300

    studiomux by AppBC
    https://apps.apple.com/us/app/studiomux/id966554837

  • TelefunkyTelefunky

    Auria Pro got a real 'professional' mix engine and gets the job done...
    (as proven by published records, that were produced and mastered in Auria Pro)
    Unfortunately the user interface isn't slick to the same degree, so individual workflow may suffer (depending on personal style and preferences).

    Even more unfortunate is the fact that changing an app's control paradigm is way more demanding than changing audio processing routines.

    And it's at least one of the reasons why Apple didn't release Logic Pro for IOS yet.
    Who'd expect a strictly commercial company to self-cannibalize for a handful of digital audio tablet lovers ? ;)

    In my personal environment an iPad running AUM (with an iConnectAudio4+ Interface) is a very professional analog/digial mixer and signal router, communicating with a Pro Tools TDM system under MacOS9 (oldie but goldie) and a Creamware Scope system under Windoze.
    No complaints here, and the endurance of Apple gear is 2nd to none. Iirc my iPhone 3gs is entering the 10th year of it's digital lifetime.
    (so I understand Apple's invention of artificial shortening of usage by that 'update without return' policy - otherwise folks would simply stick with their 'personally' most functional version of IOS... unleashing support hell) o:)

    Btw: IOS is not a mobile phone OS - it's OSX as introduced by Steve Jobs himself.
    Just watch the old video announcement...

  • SimonSimon
    edited August 2019

    Guys, none of these logical arguments are going to change this person's mind.

    He feels he was conned by Apple and he is on a quest to tell everyone about it. Either that, or he is trolling for laughs...

  • ShazammShazamm

    @vov said:
    iPad Pro exists for quite a few years but there’s no pro DAW for iOS.
    Independent developers however hard they try simply can’t surmount this task and their attempts come out lacking features or unstable.
    Major music software developers use iOS as an advertising platform. Just compare Cubase to Cubasis, Reason to Reason Compact. Those that are made for iOS are simply toys in comparison. Even Korg Gadget which originated on iOS has more features on Mac/Win.
    If Apple tells us that iPad Pro works on the level of a computer and higher why there’s no Logic Pro X? It’s an Apple software, they could have port it. Or did they lied indeed?
    Maybe Apple will win in the short term by treating their customers with such disrespect, but in the long term they will lose big time.

    What are you talking about Auria Pro is a professional DAW

  • ShazammShazamm

    @vov said:

    @brice said:
    We can make music with fascinating tools while we sit on the toilet or while we wait for our girlfriend to pick out a g-damn purse. What in the hell is there to complain about.

    Did you read what I wrote at all?
    They didn’t give it to me for free. I paid almost $2k for a misrepresented product.
    I’d be much better off with a laptop setup for this money.

    Wow your being ridiculous you dont do research before you spend money Ipad pro is what it is Auria Pro is what it is. If you cant work on an ipad than its probably operator error not the tools

  • horsetrainerhorsetrainer

    At the time I'm posting this, Best Buy has the 128GB 6th gen iPad for $330.00 USD.

    Spend another $200 on some apps, and what's there to not like?

  • echooperaechoopera
    edited August 2019

    I’m only going to say this once...everyone, step away from this thread and go and make some music.
    🤨🤪 🙏🏼

  • BroCoastBroCoast

    @Shazamm said:

    @vov said:

    @brice said:
    We can make music with fascinating tools while we sit on the toilet or while we wait for our girlfriend to pick out a g-damn purse. What in the hell is there to complain about.

    Did you read what I wrote at all?
    They didn’t give it to me for free. I paid almost $2k for a misrepresented product.
    I’d be much better off with a laptop setup for this money.

    Wow your being ridiculous you dont do research before you spend money Ipad pro is what it is Auria Pro is what it is. If you cant work on an ipad than its probably operator error not the tools

    To be fair it is not the easiest. iOS is a very fun/cool musical world but there are a lot of quirks to using a touch screen device and I don't like the idea of being dismissive/ignorant about it.

    Losing perfect takes to a buggy DAW was enough to make me crawl back to my laptop & tape machines. Something so crushing that quite frankly your average beatmaker type will never understand.

  • LinearLinemanLinearLineman

    Dear @vov, it’s nice to know that in Russia there is a large class of people who can easily spend $1000 for a device most users on this forum can not afford or have in addition to their primary desktop. Good also to know that first world problems are prevalent in Russia including certainties of privilege and entitlement.

    1/ you are most certainly under 18 as grownups in any country understand caveat emptor. So give it some time and you will gain understanding about how marketing works. Maybe this is your lesson. And we here should have more compassion for adolescents.

    2/Don’t understand why you don’t respond about not getting a refund. Please explain.

    3/ No one here seems to agree with your assessment. Yes, many users have issues (and desktops) to fill the gap when needed. Many use the iPad simply as a sound module and feel it well worth it, why did you not do the sensible entry level thing and buy used to start? Someone just learning to drive does not usually buy a luxury car... or their parents don’t buy it for them as maybe yours have done. Live and learn by your mistakes. IMO Apple has nothing to explain to the countless users (including myself) who know the lay of the land and are having a blast (tho not nuclear) with it.

    4/ please post a piece of your music so we know how seriously to take you and your need for pro equipment. If you are a pro then you would have known what is what, I think.

    5/ if you can calm down, ask questions here instead of proclamating, you may find that your beautiful new iPad is quite a wonderful device for music production. . Actually, a miracle of technology that would have been priceless ten years ago. Certainly, as someone who knows Russian history vis a vis consumerism and availability of goods you can appreciate that you can purchase one at all.

    Thanks for the entertainment, unfortunately at your expense. But folks here do not readily endorse specious arguments ( including my own) and quickly and succinctly categorize it as bullshit. Especially when you continue to belabor the issue without any grasp of what is being told to you.. Thanks again and good luck with the Bar Mitzvah speech.

  • ShazammShazamm

    @BroCoast said:

    @Shazamm said:

    @vov said:

    @brice said:
    We can make music with fascinating tools while we sit on the toilet or while we wait for our girlfriend to pick out a g-damn purse. What in the hell is there to complain about.

    Did you read what I wrote at all?
    They didn’t give it to me for free. I paid almost $2k for a misrepresented product.
    I’d be much better off with a laptop setup for this money.

    Wow your being ridiculous you dont do research before you spend money Ipad pro is what it is Auria Pro is what it is. If you cant work on an ipad than its probably operator error not the tools

    To be fair it is not the easiest. iOS is a very fun/cool musical world but there are a lot of quirks to using a touch screen device and I don't like the idea of being dismissive/ignorant about it.

    Losing perfect takes to a buggy DAW was enough to make me crawl back to my laptop & tape machines. Something so crushing that quite frankly your average beatmaker type will never understand.

    if its not easy than thats on you and your level of skills its that simple. I can make magic on anything i prefer IOS because its easy Learn it or leave it

  • BroCoastBroCoast
    edited August 2019

    Nevermind.

  • MobileMusicMobileMusic
    edited August 2019

    @Telefunky said:
    Btw: IOS is not a mobile phone OS - it's OSX as introduced by Steve Jobs himself.
    Just watch the old video announcement...

    Correct but they might have removed some unnecessary overhead modules from it over time to cut the fat out and optimize for performance and added more features like touch, gestures, gyroscope, etc relevant to mobile devices. iPadOS will have more features than iOS.

    They released Swift language by removing overhead from previous Objective-C language for performance.

  • TelefunkyTelefunky

    Yes, Apple is fairly good in (computer) language application.
    If the target idea requires it, they extend an existing language or even construct a new one.
    Most of what we experience today was designed in Lisp over decades, but because Lisp is rather inconvenient to follow by the majority of developers, results were recompiled in Objective-C.
    Swift eases the path even more, in particular for starters in developement.

  • vovvov
    edited August 2019

    I’m not going to engage in ad hominem attacks, emotional raves or rants, or appeal to the majority’s opinion. I also never argued that iOS lacks fun and engaging music apps to play with.
    However I want to state 3 simple facts here.
    1.None of the DAWs for iPads Pro boasts a feature list comparable to what is standard for computer/laptop DAWs(Cubase, Ableton, FL Studio, etc.). Some of them have serious stability issues. If a major developer has a version of its DAW for both systems, the iPad version will be seriously limited in its capabilities most of the time. (I really don’t know of any exceptions.) And that’s a main issue for me.
    2.The variety of software synths and samplers for iPads is far smaller than that for laptops. They are usually less powerful than those for laptops. There’s a few exceptions to that. For example iMS-20 by Korg, but it will soon celebrate its 10th anniversary.
    3.The choice of fx plugins for iPads is smaller by periods.
    In view of this, Apple’s positioning of the iPad Pro as a viable substitution for a laptop is misleading and the statements on its site I referred to are false. At least for music production. (I guess it would hold true for many other purposes.) I don’t think Apple didn’t know this, as they are present in all segments of music software market.
    I did my research, but if there were unbiased comparisons they were drowned in emotional hype including that by professionals. (I wonder if it was paid off.) Moreover, some apps that could theoretically suit my needs, at least according to the descriptions provided by their developers turned out to be unstable under any serious usage, like Beatmaker 3 for example. There was no way of knowing this before actually trying. There’s also an ongoing issue with how iOS handles Auv3 plugins. I think Apple should have invested more in providing better software and improving iOS environment for other developers on the way, if they wanted to position the iPad Pro as a substitute for laptops and computers. I contacted them several times but they’re not interested in taking up responsibility.
    So I thought I should fill the void of information on this issue and warn any potential buyer against choosing an iPad Pro as a substitute for laptops in music production or as a main production tool. In most cases it would be a mistake, granted a cheaper model of iPad could be fun as an accessory device or a thing to play with to boost your creativity.

  • at2at2

    Hi vov, check this guy out

    http://surfaceproaudio.com/

    If you want to run 'professional DAWs' on a touch screen device.
    I returned my iPad Pro in 2017, wasn't happy either. got myself the cheap iPad it's fine for the money. Good luck !

  • BroCoastBroCoast
    edited August 2019

    @vov said:
    None of the DAWs for iPads Pro boasts a feature list comparable to what is standard for computer/laptop DAWs(Cubase, Ableton, FL Studio, etc.). Some of them have serious stability issues.

    So I thought I should fill the void of information on this issue and warn any potential buyer against choosing an iPad Pro as a substitute for laptops in music production or as a main production tool.

    This is true.

    But you still haven't shown evidence that Apple sells iPads as studio computer/laptop replacements. The reality is they don't and it was you who sold yourself an iPad Pro as a substitute for a real computer.

  • vovvov
    edited August 2019

    @BroCoast said:

    @vov said:
    None of the DAWs for iPads Pro boasts a feature list comparable to what is standard for computer/laptop DAWs(Cubase, Ableton, FL Studio, etc.). Some of them have serious stability issues.

    So I thought I should fill the void of information on this issue and warn any potential buyer against choosing an iPad Pro as a substitute for laptops in music production or as a main production tool.

    This is true.

    But you still haven't shown evidence that Apple sells iPads as studio computer/laptop replacements. The reality is they don't and it was you who sold yourself an iPad Pro as a substitute for a real computer.

    Not true. I mentioned false statements by Apple and unstable software in their AppStore. And hyped up PR besides that.

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