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Where are these false statements? Don't just tell me to google it...
I can mention that you wear women's underwear but that doesn't make it true. Or does it?
Please read all my posts in this thread before posting your comments. I quoted them.
If they are so boldly positioning their product as a substitute for computers in general , Apple should have made sure it holds true in every major category. But it surely false for music production and I guess for many other purposes. Please don’t start this argument again. Ok?
"works on the level of a computer, even on a level higher”.
How is that misleading?
An iPad can be used for most computer tasks. It can do a lot of things faster and better than a computer too.
This is the nature of every single Apple product announcement, event, advertisement, etc. Its marketing, and Apple is brilliant at marketing. I suppose it is also part of the reason why Apple provides a 14-day no-questions return policy. Thats 2 weeks to do anything you want with the product and get a full refund if it doesn’t perform as expected.
And pro-tip: never buy any computer hardware unless you have researched and confirmed beforehand that it will run the software you need. End of story, unfortunately, and a hard lesson to learn on a pricey iPad.
A few options from here:
Anyway, all the best to you and i hope you find a good outcome.
vov asked a question "why is Apple scamming us".
Most people have responded that they don't think that Apple is scamming us.
vov does not agree. He is entitled to his opinion.
I don't agree with him but I don't want to try to force him to back down and change his mind. He is clearly dug in on this - he 'aint gonna change his mind despite whatever logic or arguments you make.
And frankly, who cares what he thinks...
then dont use it and stop crying
@vov at the risk of being confrontational:
While you make do make a pointed argument - you posted this topic to disenchant or at least give people warnings of ‘Apple’s snake oil’ on a popular music app site. And that was met with resistance, largely level headed at that.
iPad ≠ laptop
While you’re welcome to ply your views here, If you want to campaign about Apple’s “scammery” here you’re going to need to understand more about why people like the product more than you don’t / not up to your view of the product / whether or not Apple sells a version of Logic on the Appstore.
Because it sounds more like you got unlucky, did not use some research investigation before buying, or you did not understand something and got fed up.
This forum is here to help you in that case. But if you want to beat that drum there’s a few other places that more effective for you. Google perhaps?
Cheers
@vov
I get what you are trying to do here.
You are raising a red flag to warn others who may be swayed by Apple’s slick and misleading advertising.
And once you shell out all of that cash, misleading surely becomes lying, if you are disappointed with your purchase.
You learned the hard way, and you are trying to save others from the same disappointment.
You are here to state that an iPad does not come close to a laptop, and is not a real alternative to replace a computer.
With all the arguing going on, you may never realize that everyone is agreement on your main point, being that an iPad is not a real replacement for a computer, despite what Apple may seem to say.
Everyone is arguing about whether an iPad is good in its own right, or good enough for many computer type tasks.
And that entirely depends on what you are intending to do with your iPad. In your case, it does not come close to cutting it.
So everyone should let you speak your piece. There is probably a lot more people out there who are bound to fall for Apple’s misleading marketing of the iPad Pro, and you are actually doing them a favor by relating your experience here.
And good job sticking to your guns though the pile-on, and keeping a cool head.
It turns into a mob around here, occasionally.
Peace.
(and dude, you called me a troll earlier. 😎 )
Claims that Apple is misleading are just as misleading as the sales pitch.
Pros who cant get pro tools on their iPad bitch and moan, but forget that this is a general use device. In certain ways, it works for pros in certain applications to a sufficient degree, and sometimes even better than desktop/laptop depending on the task. No marketing is gonna go into every single use case and specify where it works better or worse than a desktop. So let's be honest. For artists and designers, are the applications better than desktop? In many cases no, but apple doesn't make the apps, so why should they be held responsible for that. Some app developers have made pro-quality apps in design and art that have replaced equivalent desktop alternatives.
Our focus is on music. where does iPad excel? If you’re a performer, editing lead sheets, or looking for music notation that can be created edited and then used on stage, iPad slays compared to the desktop where most notations software are PAINFUL, and still require you print paper to use it on stage. The midi effects market is pretty impressive with ios, and I often find myself tempted to run midi FX into my desktop daw. Are ios DAWs pro? From start to finish, its fragmented and you are less likely to have a 1-to-1 experience like you would with your desktop. That being said, use case matters. I can, and have easily taken my iPad on the road. I’ve edited and mixed down stems. I’ve scored a short film on my iPad. I’ve done numerous pro tasks on my iPad faster and easier than I would have had I been lugging around my MacBook. Does it eliminate the need for my desktop and Studio One? No, but if PreSonus made an ios version, I’d jump on it immediately and move part of my process to iPad.
The more adequate title for most deep professionals is that iPad Pro is a companion tool that will replace many of your tasks if you find the workflow that works for you. I can say, iPad Pro has not replaced my desktop, but I do have a MacBook Pro from 2 years ago that hasn’t been turned on for at least a year, because iPad Pro replaced it. So ....marketing or truth? You be the judge.
@vov you keep saying you did your research before buying but did not answer @Simon ’s question -
Why did you buy the iPad Pro when you knew it didn’t have Logic or other “pro” apps?
How is it Apple’s fault if third-party apps are not Pro grade or have issues? GB on iOS has some features that desktop GB lack. If Apple has not released Logic on iOS for years, they probably have valid reasons and they are right. Or maybe they don’t want to crush the competition.
Where did Apple say iPad Pro is a replacement for laptop? If it is, then there is no reason for them to be making MacBooks anymore. iPad Pro may perform better than a laptop in some aspects but not all. If what they claimed was false, they would have been sued by now for false advertising. Their marketing material and claims are scrutinized by their Legal.
I don’t know what you would call over-hyping your product in your advertising other than misleading. All advertising tries to do this, and Apple are really good at it.
Whatever your experience has been regarding Apple products, it doesn’t change to OP’s experience. Just because you and I were able to ditch our computers for an iPad and not look back, this guy had a need that the iPad cannot handle. He has buyers remorse, and wants to warn others that iPads aren’t for everybody.
He used a clickbait title to draw attention. Since the message is a sort of warning, that was a good choice. If you read his responses, he seems pretty reasonable, despite the personal attacks.
You guys need to chill and go enjoy your iPads.
This is one of the most surprising and disappointing threads I have read here. These arguments have been made time and time again, yet whether the guise is reasonable, confrontational or absurdist it seems like we are all under its spell and determined to scratch this stupid itch until it bleeds. Is it Tolle’s pain body at work, or just the need to masturbate over a moot subject that has been played, filleted and displayed ad nauseum?
Giving credibility to someone who gives no reason why he didn’t return the damn thing, that his abilities warrant pro tools in the first place, and obviously cares less about the grand he spent than spewing his sense of entitlement and indignation about what? About fucking marketing not the Holy Writ! Like Apple is the first to make an exaggerated claim about a product. Good grief, guys. You are being played when you could be playing!
Last word. ..
Ignore this thread and it’s perpetrator. ( I won’t, however, too entertaining)
Note my superior lack of posting in this thread.
Its a troll thread... yes. Post #1 made that clear and it became more obvious as the discussion developed. But the fun is in pretending “what if someone actually held these views” and to respond to that.
The interesting part to me is that we have to admit that Apple’s mastery of exaggerated claims is at a level that no other company has attained. It would be comical except for the fact that it is mostly believed. How many times have they claimed iPhone is “magical”??
[I want a refund, as I have not been able to find any actual magic happening].
There’s room for some discussion around this topic... its annoying when it comes from a troll-style argument but a fascinating topic nonetheless.
Evidence for the Hogwarts vs Apple class action...
2:52
That applies a lot more to a company called 'Microsoft', but alt least they admit limited competance right within the brand label...
+1 🚽
@Audiogus... you were superior... for awhile.
Agreed @Hmtx, it is a conundrum and entertaining ... but not really an issue for me. Firstly, I have no pretensions to being a “pro” except in its most demeaning sense😘. Secondly, I have no orgasmic desktop experience to compare it to, and thirdly, re my personal adventure, Apple has nothing to be ashamed of. It, at least, recognizes I exist as a music producer with needs that are particularly satisfied by the humble iPad.
What surprises me about this thread is the number of people that think that Apple is being particularly egregious in their marketing hype. I don't find that they are any more prone to hype than most companies. It fascinates me that people seem to hold them to a different standard from other companies.
I wonder how many of the "I hate Apple as a company" is a substitute for feelings of anger about large corporations generally--rather than because of some objective way in which Apple is particularly egregious.
There was a time when many people focused their ire on Apple (but not other manufacturers) because of an article about worker conditions in the Chinese manufacturing plants. People focused hate on Apple but ignored the fact that the conditions were as bad or worse in the plants that manufacture products for other companies. People treated Apple as being particularly egregious when they weren't.
That isn't to say the conditions shouldn't have been better but people ignored the conditions in the factories that make other companies' products that were as bad or worse.
I think if people were to hold up all the companies whose products they use to the same standard, one wouldn't find that Apple stands out as particularly bad.
They aren't saints-- but neither are a lot of companies people tolerate more.
The funny thing is the thread was started to damage Apple but in fact it has generated a huge amount of praise for Apple's iOS. Well done vov!
I get the frustration. A great tool an ipad is, a laptop replacement it is not. I'd give it another 5-10 years.
However, it makes a great sidekick to a computer which you can use powerfully and autonomously in different ways and do tricks a normal laptop can't do easily either. It's a special and unique tool when used in the right ways
Simple marketing tweak...
Why is it so hard for people to understand that iPads are not for everybody?
Sure they are great, but they are simply not for everybody.
Some people need a real computer.
Why do people get so defensive with criticism toward Apple?
Especially when the defense includes arguments that the OP is a fool for believing the marketing, you are agreeing that Apple has misleading marketing, but that you were too smart to fall for it.
People are fools and fall for Apple marketing all the time. Why else would people stand in line for hours to buy a new iPhone that is only marginally better than the one they bought last year?
When Apple runs ads for iPad with the tag line ‘What’s a computer?’, yet, to this day, you still need a computer to run iTunes to load your music library onto the iPad, how is that not totally misleading?
Like any other company, all Marketing claims are scrutinized by Legal at Apple.
Unlike any other company, all Designs are routed through and approved by Marketing at Apple!
+1
@CracklePot, yes, the iPad is not for everybody. But I don’t think folks here are being defensive. After all, who really cares what one bloke or another thinks... especially online. Rather, I hold people are supportive of the iPad’s capability and promise. Everyone here agrees (I think) that an iPad is not a replacement vehicle (maybe one day, on the road to cerebral implantation) I don’t think the OP is a fool for believing the marketing. I think he is naive ( due to Youth?) or trolling. I am glad everyone is enjoying themselves rehashing this colossus (including me). I just hope no one other than the OP is taking this seriously... especially considering he might just be diddling us.
Yeah, the iPad is not for everyone, Crackle, but remember, it was you who made it happen for me. I don’t make pro music but I hope I sometimes make good music... on an iPad. I never would have stretched to a desktop. Too professional! New thread: ProShit vs. GoodCrap.
I don’t know why people infer from my posts something I didn’t say.
All I wanted to say was Apple took their hyped up marketing one step further in the wrong direction by making factually inaccurate statements about their iPad Pro as a substitute for a laptop/computer, which I disproved by a simple unbiased comparison. I never thought Apple could do that, at least I’ve never noticed it before. The goal was to warn any potential buyer against the same mistake I made. There were suggestions that the situation is different for other fields of use. But keeping in mind that Win convertible laptops/pads exist for years, and the software for other media like graphics design or video editing in AppStore also has limited capabilities in comparison to laptop/computer software I doubt such applications exist.
I never wanted to damage Apple like someone said here. In fact I hope this information will help them and I don’t understand why they make such decisions. If their processors are really as powerful as say 4-core intel i5/i7 as some charts show and they don’t make iPads Pro OSX compatible for one of the marketing reasons (like competition with their own laptops, environment discontinuity, or simply lack of decision to invest in it) that is the most stupid thing in all the history of computer development.They could have got 20-30% of laptop market easily. It would have been a greater success than iPhone. I hope someone from Apple will read this.
Why? There’s no way your accusations of “scamming” would make Apple change their marketing language. Nor should it. Your argument is not that strong.