Why is Apple scamming us and itself?

AudioGus

@wim said:
Bingo Mr. Monzo! Thanks for the laugh.
One does get that Fawlty Towers vibe from some of the threads around here.

After the last BM3 update...

AudioGus

Nave and Attack getting AU?

wim

Who here hasn’t felt like beating their iPad with a bush at times?

MobileMusic

@wim said:
Who here hasn’t felt like beating their iPad with a bush at times?

Yeah, after they removed the headphone jack

vov

@MobileMusic said:
Those statements may be for people who never heard or seen an iPad. But buying the iPad after research and due diligence and then saying it doesn’t have Logic and pro grade apps (based on Apple’s statements) does not make sense. Someone who wants to buy an iPad for making music already knows what it is capable of and no need to call it scam.

I wouldn’t have started this thread if there was any DAW capable of what is standard for laptops.
I wouldn’t have started it even if those DAWs available for iOS were at least stable under any load considered decent for laptops. But they are not, and there’s not much information about it.
So I just want to warn others that Apple lies when they say that iPads Pro “work on the level of a computer, and even on a level higher”.

MobileMusic

@vov said:

@MobileMusic said:
Those statements may be for people who never heard or seen an iPad. But buying the iPad after research and due diligence and then saying it doesn’t have Logic and pro grade apps (based on Apple’s statements) does not make sense. Someone who wants to buy an iPad for making music already knows what it is capable of and no need to call it scam.

I wouldn’t have started this thread if there was any DAW capable of what is standard for laptops.
I wouldn’t have started it even if those DAWs available for iOS were at least stable under any load considered decent for laptops. But they are not, and there’s not much information about it.
So I just want to warn others that Apple lies when they say that iPads Pro “work on the level of a computer, and even on the level higher”.

Why would there be a laptop-grade or desktop-grade DAW on a mobile device? If mobile devices have such apps, we don’t need laptops or desktops anymore. There may never be a desktop-grade DAW on mobile devices (but some apps may have features that do not exist in desktop-grade apps).

How is it Apple’s fault if 3rd party apps are not pro grade or have stability issues? GB from Apple is cool and has some features that do not exist in desktop GB. iOS GB’s Drums and Drummer are the BEST and there is nothing like them in other apps. It’s Smart Instruments and Live Loops are a ton of fun.

As suggested, use track freeze into audio and no issues. Work around issues until they get better.

You knew what you were getting into before buying it - what is available and what it is capable of. Yes, iPads can work on the same level as a computer (or even higher) for some people for their workflows but not for everyone. Many people are able to make more music on mobile devices than they ever did on desktops or hardware gear - from anywhere even on the go on a train, bus, flight, cruise, beach, vacation, workplace - with thousands of instruments and dozens of dirt-cheap apps right in their pocket.

When I wake up in the morning, the first thing I reach is my iPad next to my bed without getting out of the bed. How convenient and comfortable is that! In yester-decades, I had to wait until I got out of bed and start my laptop to even start my day. Here, my iPad performed on a level much higher than my laptop ever did.

but there is not much information about it

There is a lot of info about iOS music-making on this forum.

If Apple is lying and scamming, you have a case to sue them. Or better yet, create support tickets on

https://developer.apple.com/bug-reporting/

AudioGus

OnfraySin

@vov said:

@MobileMusic said:
Those statements may be for people who never heard or seen an iPad. But buying the iPad after research and due diligence and then saying it doesn’t have Logic and pro grade apps (based on Apple’s statements) does not make sense. Someone who wants to buy an iPad for making music already knows what it is capable of and no need to call it scam.

I wouldn’t have started this thread if there was any DAW capable of what is standard for laptops.
I wouldn’t have started it even if those DAWs available for iOS were at least stable under any load considered decent for laptops. But they are not, and there’s not much information about it.
So I just want to warn others that Apple lies when they say that iPads Pro “work on the level of a computer, and even on a level higher”.

Maybe the problem is that all of us work even on a level higher than you.

Just saying

vov

@OnfraySin said:

@vov said:

@MobileMusic said:
Those statements may be for people who never heard or seen an iPad. But buying the iPad after research and due diligence and then saying it doesn’t have Logic and pro grade apps (based on Apple’s statements) does not make sense. Someone who wants to buy an iPad for making music already knows what it is capable of and no need to call it scam.

I wouldn’t have started this thread if there was any DAW capable of what is standard for laptops.
I wouldn’t have started it even if those DAWs available for iOS were at least stable under any load considered decent for laptops. But they are not, and there’s not much information about it.
So I just want to warn others that Apple lies when they say that iPads Pro “work on the level of a computer, and even on a level higher”.

Maybe the problem is that all of us work even on a level higher than you.

Just saying

Please share your beautiful work you’ve made entirely on iPad then.

LinearLineman

Mr Vov, you can hear plenty of high quality music under “Creations”. I think, however, you have it ass backwards. It is you who needs to demonstrate your capability and need for the highest level tools. You need to prove why it is so vital to you to be able to produce something of higher quality than a Scott VanZandt is able to wrest, without bitching and moaning, from an iPad. And also why you just don’t stick blissfully to desktop? Otherwise , in my book, you are simply a bored loser with nothing better to do than masturbate yourself with this Johnny One Note warning bullshit while you run like a hamster on a perpetual wheel of dissatisfaction.
Bravo, Mr Vov. At this you are indeed a true artist. (and thanks for the enjoyable interaction... tho a bit one sided).

horsetrainer

@MobileMusic said:
Yes, iPads can work on the same level as a computer (or even higher) for some people for their workflows but not for everyone.

Exactly... It has to be worded to create a comparison of "function" to "the same level as a computer". It must be a "conditional" statement, and not an "all inclusive" one.

iPads do not function at the same level as a desktop computer in every imaginable way.

If we apply the reasonable person standard to this idea. Then one must consider how an average, reasonable, prudent member of society, would interpret the meaning of the statement.

In my opinion. A hypothetical, average, reasonable, prudent members of society with an average degree of computer knowledge, would upon exercising an average degree care, skill, and judgment, conclude that an iPad is not the same as a Desktop Computer in at least several fundamental ways.

MobileMusic

Done entirely on iPhone GB - right in front of our eyes!

Europe - The Final Countdown

MobileMusic

Children - Robert Miles (RIP)
(hearing is believing)

GB’s Drums and Drummer are the best on iOS

wim

Argh. I tried so hard not to do anything to bump this thread, but can’t help myself.

@vov, I understand and sympathize with why you started the thread. You read something and took it a certain way. Your experience was far from what you expected based on that. You wanted to warn others so they didn’t have to go through the same thing. Nothing wrong with that.

(Though you chose a place to say it where there is probably not one person who would benefit from that warning. This is a community of iOS musicians after all. )

That said, I believe the problem is with your interpretation of the marketing jargon. Apple said the iPad performs at the level of a desktop computer or even better. They went on to say that it can be many things, including a Music Studio. Those are both true statements, taken individually.

You understood “performs at the level of a desktop” more generally than what it really says - taking it to mean that the “Music Studio” and everything else referred to, perform at that level. Maybe Apple hoped some people would take it that way, but it really isn’t what they said, and certainly wasn’t how I took it, or the majority of the people on this thread took it.

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@vov could have chosen better ways to express this, but given that just about everyone in this thread (especially me) has been guilty of that, some of the responses seem overly harsh to me.

“Let he who has not sinned cast the first stone...”

I wish the pile-on would die out. Communication is hard enough in writing, but especially across cultural, language, and experience levels. I hope people will just let it go.

Simon

Oh, those Russians! (Boney M)

SanMateo

While new to this forum, i’m not new to the idea of making music on an IPad, back to the OG iPad even. I preface this because, i’m old... been making electronic music since the early/mid 90s and I remember starting to switch over from a hardware rig to a computer based rig. And man, it was a pain in the ass... I remember having a single gig hard drive and thinking.. how could you fill that up. Where i’m going is, maybe IOS music creation hasn't quite fully matured, but look where it’s come from and where it’s going. The fact that you can do a lot of great stuff on your phone, or a slate no bigger than a screen is pretty amazing. Is it comparable to a fully tweaked out desktop or laptop, not yet. Will it get there, absolutely.

SanMateo

Another side note is that I have been doing full illustration work (posters for bands, and ya I can give examples), music videos, note taking for day job, photo editing, and a lot of other things since the beginning. Yes maybe some of this stuff has to go back to the mother ship for final edits, but it’s a wonderful tool. It’s up to you how you use it.

ecou

@vov said:

@MobileMusic said:
Those statements may be for people who never heard or seen an iPad. But buying the iPad after research and due diligence and then saying it doesn’t have Logic and pro grade apps (based on Apple’s statements) does not make sense. Someone who wants to buy an iPad for making music already knows what it is capable of and no need to call it scam.

I wouldn’t have started this thread if there was any DAW capable of what is standard for laptops.
I wouldn’t have started it even if those DAWs available for iOS were at least stable under any load considered decent for laptops. But they are not, and there’s not much information about it.
You still have not made your point what is missing to makethaiPads Pro “work on the level of a computer, and even on a level higher”.

I missed a page or two but have you made your point about what is missing from iOS to make it capable. Until The your just blowing bubbles.

A poor artist blames the tools. A great artists puts strings on a cigar box and jams away on that make shift guitar.

johnrob66

Finally, a laptop replacement:

vov

@wim said:
Argh. I tried so hard not to do anything to bump this thread, but can’t help myself.

@vov, I understand and sympathize with why you started the thread. You read something and took it a certain way. Your experience was far from what you expected based on that. You wanted to warn others so they didn’t have to go through the same thing. Nothing wrong with that.

(Though you chose a place to say it where there is probably not one person who would benefit from that warning. This is a community of iOS musicians after all. )

That said, I believe the problem is with your interpretation of the marketing jargon. Apple said the iPad performs at the level of a desktop computer or even better. They went on to say that it can be many things, including a Music Studio. Those are both true statements, taken individually.

You understood “performs at the level of a desktop” more generally than what it really says - taking it to mean that the “Music Studio” and everything else referred to, perform at that level. Maybe Apple hoped some people would take it that way, but it really isn’t what they said, and certainly wasn’t how I took it, or the majority of the people on this thread took it.

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@vov could have chosen better ways to express this, but given that just about everyone in this thread (especially me) has been guilty of that, some of the responses seem overly harsh to me.

“Let he who has not sinned cast the first stone...”

I wish the pile-on would die out. Communication is hard enough in writing, but especially across cultural, language, and experience levels. I hope people will just let it go.

I disagree, I think the statement
‘iPad performs at the level of a desktop computer or even better’ is generally false, though maybe with very few exceptions. Also, there was a statement ‘You can use it for whatever you usually use your computer’
There’re also some apps that seemingly could have provided the needed functionality, but they’re unstable and buggy.
Some problems with how newer iPads handles music software also have been reported.

MobileMusic

@vov said:

@wim said:
Argh. I tried so hard not to do anything to bump this thread, but can’t help myself.

@vov, I understand and sympathize with why you started the thread. You read something and took it a certain way. Your experience was far from what you expected based on that. You wanted to warn others so they didn’t have to go through the same thing. Nothing wrong with that.

(Though you chose a place to say it where there is probably not one person who would benefit from that warning. This is a community of iOS musicians after all. )

That said, I believe the problem is with your interpretation of the marketing jargon. Apple said the iPad performs at the level of a desktop computer or even better. They went on to say that it can be many things, including a Music Studio. Those are both true statements, taken individually.

You understood “performs at the level of a desktop” more generally than what it really says - taking it to mean that the “Music Studio” and everything else referred to, perform at that level. Maybe Apple hoped some people would take it that way, but it really isn’t what they said, and certainly wasn’t how I took it, or the majority of the people on this thread took it.

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@vov could have chosen better ways to express this, but given that just about everyone in this thread (especially me) has been guilty of that, some of the responses seem overly harsh to me.

“Let he who has not sinned cast the first stone...”

I wish the pile-on would die out. Communication is hard enough in writing, but especially across cultural, language, and experience levels. I hope people will just let it go.

I disagree, I think the statement
‘iPad performs at the level of a desktop computer or even better’ is generally false, though maybe with very few exceptions. Also, there was a statement ‘You can use it for whatever you usually use your computer’
There’re also some apps that seemingly could have provided the needed functionality, but they’re unstable and buggy.
Some problems with how newer iPads handles music software also have been reported.

Did you buy the iPad based on Apple's statements and now are you unhappy because you were misled by those statements?

When I wake up in the morning, the first thing I reach is my iPad next to my bed without getting out of the bed. How convenient and comfortable is that! In yester-decades, I had to wait until I got out of bed and start my laptop/desktop to even start my day. Here, my iPad performed on a level much higher than my laptop/desktop ever did for decades.

AudioGus

LinearLineman

Dance, monkeys, dance.

[Deleted User]

@LinearLineman said:
Dance, monkeys, dance.

Ooooo aaahhhhhH! 🐒

Simon

@vov said:
I disagree, I think the statement
‘iPad performs at the level of a desktop computer or even better’ is generally false, though maybe with very few exceptions. Also, there was a statement ‘You can use it for whatever you usually use your computer’

If I was you I'd take it up with the Russian Fair Trade Commission.

I'm sure they will look after you.... LOL