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Apparently Trump's tariffs are damaging Apple a heck of a lot more than the title of this thread.
Maybe he helps Apple build a few factories out in Greenland to make up for it?
They won’t change it even if we contact them, send product suggestions or create a support ticket for it. They know what they are doing and talking (except for the headphone jack which they removed and brought us misery by asking us to do everything through just a single USB-C hole)
Can you provide source to demonstrate where Apple made the statement that the iPad Pro was a substitute for a laptop/computer?
In this 2018 Apple ad (if I've transcribed correctly), Apple says:
Link to Apple Ad on YouTube
"Five reasons iPad Pro can be your next computer".
The ad ends by saying "It's like a computer unlike any computer".
But I don't see where that ad says the iPad Pro is a substitute for any specific "kind of computer".
The ad even adds language that seems to describe the iPad Pro as being "unlike any computer".
The ad does specifically mention it can be a "Music Studio". But the ad does not seem to make any specific representation about the capabilities of an iPad Music Studio in caparison with a Music Studio on some other kind of computer system.
And yet there's this constant wonder from somewhere:
https://www.laptopmag.com/articles/ipad-pro-as-laptop-replacement
https://www.theverge.com/2019/6/4/18652019/ipados-ipad-pro-laptop-replacement-wwdc-2019
https://www.lifewire.com/ipad-replace-laptop-desktop-pc-1994308
https://www.imore.com/can-ipad-pro-running-ipad-os-finally-replace-your-laptop
http://www.iphonehacks.com/2019/01/reasons-ipad-pro-can-cannot-replace-laptop.html
https://qz.com/1609864/how-to-use-an-ipad-as-a-laptop-replacement/
https://www.macworld.com/article/3400856/ipados-helps-make-ipad-a-laptop-replacement.html
https://www.computerworld.com/article/3318252/how-to-use-your-ipad-pro-as-a-laptop-replacement.html
So,@rarien, are you saying due diligence was not done?
Man you sound like a little kid that didnt get his exact Christmas present. Its just bitching and moaning at this point. It does everything I need so it is a computer replacement. Just because it doesn't apply to your exact needs doesn't mean there statements are false. It means you cant make music with limitations that means your are the limitation
you didn't disprove shit really its just your opinion it is a computer replacement for me so your incorrect
I only asked for a source...
As best I can tell...
None of the above listed "opinion articles" you've quoted, actually reflect any representation by Apple that an iPad Pro is a "substitute" for a "laptop".
Let's be clear on the economic definition of "Substitute Goods"... Substitute goods are alternatives that could be used for the same purpose.
Show me where Apple has made the statement that an iPad Pro is a "Substitute" for a Laptop.
I'm not saying Apple never made such a statement. I'm only asking to see the source.
Why are you all arguing with a flat-earther?
All I did was ask for a source to show where Apple represented the iPad Pro as substitute for a laptop/computer.
I've not yet offered an opinion on the matter one way or the other.
If I'm shown a reliable source that shows Apple represented the iPad Pro as substitute for a laptop, then I might offer my opinion.
@LinearLineman no - I’m saying that somewhere along the lines (maybe around when Microsoft Surface came out or earlier) that the thought of having a tablet replace a laptop made people say “...you know? Why not?” and started making that a stronger thing as it exists now.
@horsetrainer exactly. I’m actually agreeing with you.
Webpages or not, i believe an iPad is largely only limited by the imagination of the user itself. Same goes for a conventional computer, a paintbrush, or person with a scratchpad and a microphone.
There are silly videos and articles on the net comparing iPad Pro to Surface (which is a full blown laptop and not in the same category as iPad)
And there is a ton of silly content on if iPad Pro can be used as a computer with such poor file management.
These are meant to just get page views on their websites and views on their videos. There is nothing wrong with reading/watching them but people should take them with a grain of salt.
iPad is what it is.
In short, I think as much as a laptop can replace or be a substitute for a desktop for some but not everyone, the iPad Pro can replace or be a substitute for a computer for some but not everyone. My iPad hasn’t replaced my MacBook Pro but it definitely is a substitute at times , I’m typing this on my iPad right now. What’s crazy is that my iPad handles editing 4K video in Lumafusion better than my MBP does in FCP. I would guess for the average user who doesn’t use their iPad for music production it can easily replace a laptop.
+1
iPad definitely meets the needs of some people’s workflows as a laptop substitute at times.
@Strizbiz @MobileMusic +1
Because of one word.
Scamming.
If he made a topic called “Apple's advertising claims are sometimes a bit over the top” nobody would question him.
But saying they are scamming is saying that they are deliberately tricking customers. And most people here, even those who have other issues with Apple, don’t think they are scammers.
On the Russian version of Apple site it actually said the following about iPad Pro:
“works on the level of a computer, even on a level higher”,
“You can do on it, what you usually do on your computer”, etc.
If someone used their computer just to send emails or as a bookshelf , I don’t think it warrants such bold statements.
Not only iPad music software is very limited feature wise as I pointed out in my previous posts, it’s quite often very unstable and as I understand Auv3 instruments and plugins can’t properly utilize iPad’s processing power. For example I started a project where I used 4 soft synth tracks (2 - Sunrizers, 2 - Axons, which is actually a drum synth) , granted quite processed and with a send track for reverb. When I added a 5th synth track it immediately choked. It’s pretty much the same for all good sounding iPad synths and plugins. Whoever worked on a more or less decent laptop, say with an old u-series i7, will find such capabilities ridiculously inadequate.
Despite my opponents attempts to drown this information, I warn all potential buyers not to consider iPad Pros as a proper music production computer, though you might be happy with a cheaper model as a fun and inspiring toy for less demanding genres, or as an accessory. I guess for most of other applications you can also find a much better alternative product in the same price category as an iPad Pro.
That doesn't mean Apple is "scamming" you. It just means you have a particular use that doesn't work the way you hoped it would.
It sounds like the Apple Russian site is using very general terms like "works on the level of a computer, even on a level higher". They are not saying that every single thing you do on a laptop can be done exactly the same on an iPad.
"You can do on it, what you usually do on your computer" sounds like they are trying to explain to non-expert consumers that the iPad is like a laptop in most things. Which it is.
OK, doing 3D rendering, or scientific modelling or running 5 synths might not work too well. But those are not mainstream uses of a computer.
You are being unreasonable calling it "scamming".
As one of the many champions of iOS, I offer one of Scott VanZandt's contributions (made with no bitching, I might add). This piece was composed solely in NanoStudio2. He does equally well with just Gadget. Can you do this on desktop? Please demonstrate.
Even if he could, it doesn't really prove either way that Apple is "scamming" us.
Vov has taken a Russian Apple ad that says the iPad can do what a laptop can. Then he's come across an instance where trying to run 5 synths on an iPad didn't work.
Based on this experience he's decided that Apple is "scamming" us.
Basically, he's an unhappy customer trying to make as much noise as he can. But it is not working because we all keep saying how much we love the iPad and iOS.
He should be saying these things on an Android forum where people will agree with him...
Tell me how this is “on a level hihger” than innumerable similar orchestrations made on laptops? Do you really think that PCs have fewer or worse orchestral libraries? You may mislead someone who never explored this field with this orchestration grandeur, but not anyone who heard a thing or two. For anyone who interested in this type of music, just put a request ‘Kontakt Orchestral Library’ in youtube search and enjoy more lively orchestrations.
So please stop misleading inexperienced people.
Mr. Vov, I give up. You now admit it is equivalent to a laptop but not superior. I deleted my personal opinion of you, but you quote it anyway. I noticed you sought answers about using the iPad as a sound module. Any responses? Well, you have warned the world about the nefarious Apple. I don't think you will find many sympathetic to your iPad tragedy here. As @Simon said, you will prosper better on an Android forum. Dos vedanya.
Yah when I go back to my similarly priced laptop (a zenbook, super thin, no fan, yet was around the same price as my 10.5 pro) I have to laugh at just how many synths I can get going at once. At least four times the power without choking. Clearly multithreading etc is better supported there and things run waaaaay smoother with mostly better features for the sort of audio music editing I do. That being said I am addicted to the mobility of my ipad. Being able to use it while walking and hitting the trains going to work is awesome and even just around home, on the balcony, couch etc.
I love not having a mouse and keyboard or squinting at tiny UI designs. I have been using iPads since 2012 and recently upgraded my 2017 base ipad to the 2017 Pro which was a huge jump and totally worth it to me as a hobbiest. To the more professional people I know I just tell them the past two years have seen amazing advancement (BM3, NS2 etc) and then name drop Fabfilters and Eventide which makes them nod and raise their eyebrows, but they aren’t budging. Nor should they really, given what I know they require.
If I were a pro making a living I would just be at home on my desktop or in a studio... on a desktop. I probably would not bother making mobile music, but if I did have to work mobile (which for me means without a mouse and keyboard, in that you can use it while walking) then maybe... Bitwig on a windows tablet? But from what I have heard Bitwig does not run very well on similarly priced windows tablets and a little more would probably need to be spent. But anyway, probably splitting hairs here. In the end if I were a professional, yah I would likely dump all my money in a kick ass desktop and just spend my mobile time drawing on iPad.
@vov Whatever Apple is stating is completely legal and not a scam. Do you think a trillion dollar company with thousands of engineers, marketing, sales pros and dozens of attorneys would make blunders as scamming people? Corporations are ruled by hardcore attorneys.
And whatever the silly 3rd party articles and videos are trying to infer by comparing iPad Pro to Surface or assessing if iPad Pro can “replace” a laptop (to drive traffic to their web pages and videos), all those are for laymen who never heard about iPad or you can just read/watch them for fun.
We can not compare a laptop’s raw power with 16GB or 32 GB RAM to an iPad with 2 or 4 GB RAM. On a laptop, we can install another O/S for dual booting and “native” processing. For instance, we can install Windows on a Mac on a separate partition, boot into Windows and run Windows games natively with 100% hardware resources as opposed to running Windows inside Mac (virtualization) with shared resources. Are you going to complain you are not able to install another O/S on your puny iPad Pro because of Apple’s claims?
As a knowledgeable person, you should know better. And tell us something we don’t know already instead of “warning others not to buy iPad Pros”. Someone who is considering an iPad for music production already knows what an iPad is, it’s capabilities and limitations. Most of the music apps are for use as scratch pads. You should work around it’s limitations until things get better. Pete Johns released full albums using just GB and iPhone.
It’s not Apple’s fault if 3rd party apps are not pro grade or have issues. You still have not answered @Simon ‘s question - because you state that you did all your research/due-diligence before buying the iPad Pro -
Why did you buy the iPad Pro when you knew it didn’t have Logic or other “pro” apps?
@MobileMusic, I am afraid you are wasting your breath asking for reasons from this fellow.
He has refused to explain himself and his actions from the very beginning. If he would explain himself he might give some legitimacy to the reasons he needs to warn the world so vehemently.