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@vov As for the inability to use more AU synth tracks, I have that issue too but I get many tracks using low CPU synths like Poison-202, SM1, etc and if anything, I finalize the track and freeze it to audio track, delete the synth track to make room for more synth tracks (you can still keep the frozen synth track as it is now disabled and the audio track takes precedence) - works like a treat all the time with absolutely no issues. Finalize and freeze AU tracks to audio to add more synth tracks.
I think vov is enjoying himself immensely and is amazingly dedicated to staying in character. But i hope we have all learned something here today.
But you know me, ever the optimist. I prefer, for instance, to see the Koch Brothers as half-dead.
My impression is that if vov were delivering this message as a 20 something on youtube with super fast talking, quick edits with pics of Apple people and frowny poop emojis and an outrage face thumbnail with oversized text etc that the reaction from people here would be less ignited. The delivery is just in contrast to the usual chill ‘coulda been a contender’ vibe of us old dudes hanging out on a forum.
Well, I have nothing better to do... but why are the rest of you here?
I hop back and forth while making tunes. Don't know anyone in the real world who makes music for fun. The pros I know seem to be dreary-assed desk jockeys.
err, do you mean this thread in particular?
Thank you for providing that information.
Disclamer:
I'm only sharing information that I found, and asking questions about it. I'm not intending to make any allegations of wrong-doing by any person, corporation, or entity, whatsoever.
In an attempt to investigate your claims to satisfy my own personal interest. I entered the following query into the USA Google search engine:
" https://www.apple.com/ru/education/ "
Note that Google may provide other translated pages from Apple's Russian website. However google makes it clear that their translation algorithm is not necessarily accurate.
Then I clicked on "Translate" (From Russian to English) in the search result.
I found this Translated Statement on what may apparently be from an Apple webpage providing information about use of the iPad in an educational setting.
Below is a translated quote from the Russian Apple webpage that I saw:
"Performance
Works at the desktop level.
Together with the iPad, the student gets amazing opportunities.
He can, for example, edit a 4K video between lessons, create a 3D model
of a steam engine or become a conductor of a virtual orchestra to record
a soundtrack for a presentation about classical music."
...
I then visited the Apple USA website, I read information about use of the iPad in an educational setting there.
No where did I find the words "Works at the desktop level" in what I read on the Apple USA website (Only saying that I did not see it during my brief search).
I followed that up by doing a general google search for the following search term: Apple "Works at the desktop level" .
I found no results that pointed to a link on the Apple USA Website that contained the words "Works at the desktop level" .
IS IT ACTUALLY TRUE, that Apple has represented that the iPad "Works at the desktop level" on their Russian website?
Or could this just be an translation error by the the Google translation tool?
My next question is.... Does the iPad, or the iPad Pro, "Work at the desktop level"?
I personally think an iPad "can" work at a desktop level in some ways.
But I don't think I'd go so far as to say it "Works at the desktop level" without placing that statement into a context that limits the meaning to only those ways that an iPad actually does work at a desktop level.
Perhaps a person who fluently speaks Russian might understand Apple's Russia website differently?
Opinions anyone?
@AudioGus, I meant this particular thread. There are quite a few good reasons to check in on this forum, as in yourself, for one. But I do think you may have it backwards. That music, as in being "real", can be equated with "dreary-assed desk jockeying" is just succumbing to a propagandized illusion. What you are doing, my friend, having fun, is part of the musical trifecta. The other two being scaring the shit out of people (martial music) and making people think there really is a capital G god.
@horsetrainer, my opinion: you are taking this much too seriously. I am reminded of the SNL skit about the Lexus ad showing a wine glass on the seat of the moving miracle and not spilling a drop. SNL had a moyle (professional Jewish circumciser) doing a bris (ritual circumcision) in the back seat. There are so many reasons not to take this guy seriously but instead just enjoying the shmuck (foreskin) part.
You havent met my friends. I am talking about specific people. They actually introduced me to the term ‘desk jockey’ by referring to themselves as such. I don’t know any music hobbiests in the real world was my point and my friends seem to hate to talk to me about making music because it reminds them of work.
@AudioGus, I think making music and making a living are two different things. If you choose to combine them.... well, good luck. It works very well for some.
I edited my last post to clarify.
@AudioGus , ahh!
It's sad that it's come to that. I'm glad I don't do that and can earn from playing not producing.
I’m sure they would like it if they could produce their own thing but they mainly do work for hire stuff on ads, shows, game soundtracks etc with either little time or control to put much personal heart and soul in it. I’m sure they are happy enough to just make a living at it.
No, I never conceded that iPad is equivalent to a laptop for music production. In fact if you’d followed through the search for ‘Kontakt Orchestratral Lybraries’ I suggested, you would have noticed how much closer do they sound to the real orchestra than the the example you provided. And I say it without any disrespect to the compositional skills of the author, just comparing software. If anyone interested, here’s the link to the review of just free libraries for laptops. https://youtu.be/NVlMw5SHPSg
I can provide comparison of software suitable for other genres.
Maybe...
(to which: if I’m out of line, please let me know.)
Mr Vov, most everyone here is familiar with the Kontact libraries. Wonderful instruments, though a professional acoustic musician would call them shit. I am curious, you have made your point quite diligently. What are you trying to accomplish in this thread now? I am glad you have learned to freeze, tho for a Russian that is nothing new.
@AudioGus, I spent twenty years representing commercial artists many of whom were very successful. They had to kowtow to art directors, work ungodly hours, go against their own artistic inclinations to satisfy ignorant clients ( the clients, not the art directors) yet, mostly, they really loved what they were doing. I wonder why it is so different with musicians. Maybe cause they were always selected for their own particular style.
Did you represent music artists? Why did they have to kowtow to art directors? I've heard of film/TV directors and photographers having to kowtow to art directors but not music people.
@LinearLineman that SoundCloud piece was good stuff. Gonna look this Scott VanZandt guy up.
Sorry @Simon. Commercial illustrators.
Ah, right.
Yeah - art directors can be a pain sometimes 😀
In my industry (which probably is also a local geographic thing) the graphic artists are pretty much in the exact same boat as the music makers. Also, even without a specific art director or executive to kowtow to, it is the whims of the popular taste and cultural trends at large that dictate things. It seems like maybe one in twenty are really into what they are working on. Part of it being the crap shoot of wether or not this particular project is the kind of thing they would be into if they were not being paid.
Most creatives probably just want complete and absolute freedom to express themselves. Probably why they started being creative in the first place.
I'm not fond of the OP's (original poster) style of communication.
But I was curious if the OP could provide any actual source from Apple that might help explain why the OP created this thread and titled it... "Why is Apple scamming us and itself?"
Completely remove the OP from the equation, and there is still the mystery of finding a proper translation for that quote from Apple's Russian Website.
https://www.apple.com/ru/education/
Quote from Apple's Russian Website:
Phrase in question is bolded.
(emphasis mine)
Производительность
Работает на уровне настольного компьютера.
Вместе с iPad ученик получает удивительные возможности. Он может, например, отредактировать видео 4K между уроками, создать 3D-модель парового двигателя или стать дирижёром виртуального оркестра, чтобы записать саундтрек к презентации о классической музыке.
If I enter Работает на уровне настольного компьютера. into Google Translate, Russian to English, I get the result:
"It works at the desktop computer level."
Like I said... It's a mystery... What does it really mean when read by a person fluent in the Russian language?
Don't you find this interesting at all?
But sometimes I like to read caselaw because I find it fascinating...
So maybe that helps explain why I find this interesting...
Edited to add:
This is the link to Apple's Russian Webpage translated by Google:
https://translate.google.com/translate?hl=en&sl=ru&u=https://www.apple.com/ru/education/&prev=search
Apparently,
The page is about iPads and Macs used for Education.
The page appears to be divided into an upper half for iPad, and a Lower Half for Mac.
The part I'm questioning in located in the section with that Google translated as:
"Non-childish power"
The first paragraph of the Google translated "Non-childish power" section is entitled "Performance". The line of text immediately below "Performance", is translated by Google as saying: "Works at the desktop level."
???
@horsetrainer, hard to get interested in the goodie cause the wrapper is so curious. Just feel there is a purposeful obstruction and obfuscation. Like someone who has a pain going to the doctor and saying “you’re a doctor, you tell me where the pain is”. And why the mission to warn the world..... again and again and again? And why here, of all places? If you have found Audiob.us simply by googling iOS music production you can pretty easily find out for yourself what an iPad can or cannot do... there’s plenty willing to tell you. Mr. Vov does all this “research”, misspends his grand, won’t return the device and then finds ABS not to ask a question but to alert the human race? This is my kind of meaningless mystery and clickbait!
Those statements may be for people who never heard or seen an iPad. But buying the iPad after research and due diligence and then saying it doesn’t have Logic and pro grade apps (based on Apple’s statements) does not make sense. Someone who wants to buy an iPad for making music already knows what it is capable of and no need to call it scam.
Kind of it in a nutshell isn't it. Before you buy a device you check what apps are available on that particular platform, particularly if you have a particular piece of software in mind.
It's not as if Apple said Logic was available for iOS, and then he found out it wasn't.
Mrs. Richards: And another thing: I asked for a room with a view.
Basil: [to Manuel] Deaf, mad, and blind. [goes to the window] Ah, this is the view as far as I can remember, madam... yes, yes, this is it.
Mrs. Richards: When I pay for a view, I expect something more interesting than that.
Basil: That is Torquay, madam.
Mrs. Richards: Well it's not good enough.
Basil: Well, may I ask what you were expecting to see out of a Torquay hotel bedroom window? Sydney Opera House, perhaps? The Hanging Gardens of Babylon? Herds of wildebeest sweeping majestically -?
Thanks @MonzoPro, you made me lol (put on the abbrev. list!) I saw that movie but can’t remember... obvious Room With A View?
Bingo Mr. Monzo! Thanks for the laugh.
One does get that Fawlty Towers vibe from some of the threads around here.