miRack by mifki Limited - Live!!!

0tolerance4silence

Those are hardly comparable to miRack. Frankly I'm in awe it's gotten this far...
Can't wait!
Any guesses how far are we from release?

reasOne

how can you say mirack is crippled ?
i’ve had absolutely zero crashes with mirack... i’m testing the auv3 of it right now and it’s been flawless, a multi instance euro rack that runs smoother than almost every other program in its league. if you think every parameter is going to exposed in all modules you may want to jump in and write that script yourself , ..i paid 9$ for mirack and it does way more than 9$ worth of stuff

dendy

@reasOne said:
how can you say mirack is crippled ?
i’ve had absolutely zero crashes with mirack... i’m testing the auv3 of it right now and it’s been flawless, a multi instance euro rack that runs smoother than almost every other program in its league. if you think every parameter is going to exposed in all modules you may want to jump in and write that script yourself , ..i paid 9$ for mirack and it does way more than 9$ worth of stuff

wasting of time, mifky and few other users already explained very clearly why it is not possible to directly expose all parameters to host app.. if somebody dosn't want to understand, you cannot help him ...

reasOne

@dendy said:

@reasOne said:
how can you say mirack is crippled ?
i’ve had absolutely zero crashes with mirack... i’m testing the auv3 of it right now and it’s been flawless, a multi instance euro rack that runs smoother than almost every other program in its league. if you think every parameter is going to exposed in all modules you may want to jump in and write that script yourself , ..i paid 9$ for mirack and it does way more than 9$ worth of stuff

wasting of time, mifky and few other users already explained very clearly why it is not possible to directly expose all parameters to host app.. if somebody dosn't want to understand, you cannot help him ...

man that spoiler was epic 🤣🤣🤣😆

mifki

There was no reports of serious problems with AU, so I just need to properly implement patch opening/creation/saving in AU.

There will be an update adding multitouch, some new and updated modules, and variable sample rate first.

As for the parameters, as I said, I'll see how the current implementation can be improved, but yeah there's a difference between miRack and most other apps that have a static list of parameters.

dendy

@reasOne said:

wasting of time, mifky and few other users already explained very clearly why it is not possible to directly expose all parameters to host app.. if somebody dosn't want to understand, you cannot help him ...

man that spoiler was epic 🤣🤣🤣😆

hahah :-) i removed it, to avoid flamewar, some people are hypersensitive to sarcasm :-D

@mifki
As for the parameters, as I said, I'll see how the current implementation can be improved, but yeah there's a difference between miRack and most other apps that have a static list of parameters.

No worries, most people are understanding limitations in this case and are thankful for your enormous effort to move miRack forward ..

Yalexein

Is there any way in the present version to mimic polyphony ?

auxmux

@Yalexein said:
Is there any way in the present version to mimic polyphony ?

Multiple AU and Mozaic to distribute the chords.

Yalexein

You mean auv3 imminent update and a Mozaic plugin ? No other way inside mirack?

auxmux

auv3 for miRack is in beta. I meant using Mozaic in addition to auv3 to achieve polyphony. In existing, you would have duplicate each patch/synth for as many voices you want, and could send midi in across each channel to each to achieve polyphony.

So, if your synth comprises 1 oscillator and vca, you would have to clone that four times for 4 voices by sending midi to each on different midi channel.

des

Hey everyone. Been reading the threads for a while and figured it’s time to give back.

Currently you should be able to use the MIDI-4 module to route 4 midi notes into MiRack. This would be on any or all midi channels connected to the port App Default...note it will most likely say a different destination name on the midi sending device, like ‘MiRack’ for example. This is what PolyPhase and Xequence show when I connect them. From the MIDI-4 module you route CV, Gate, and optionally
Vel(ocity) and Aft(ertouch) to 4 voices. What I do is make a single voice I like using oscillators, vca’s, filters etc. and then copy that chain 3 times for a total of 4 voices. Run them to a mixer, effects, etc and out the app. Obviously you can have other things going on at the same time...perhaps drums or other sequences. It’s neat that with a slight change in each voice you can simulate the variations in analog polysynths. And...you can add a second group of 4. Set each MIDI-4 module to a different channel. Here’s a picture of running MiRack with PolyPhase on one group and KB1 controlling the second.

The other way to get polyphony is to build individual voices using the MIDI-1 and other modules per voice. This has the benefit of giving you Pitch Wheel as well as other signals for each voice. This is a pseudo-MPE patch I built - 16 voices controlled with my Linnstrument. The nuances of some of the control signals - MW, PW, etc. are not that good as they need a little more ‘massaging’ to get them working right. However I wanted the picture to fit on one screen.

And...both of these work in the AU version 😁

Hope this gives you some ideas!

Dave

auxmux

Good call on MIDI-4, forgot about that.

royor

@mifki Thank you for this update.. so many things to explore which is always the best part.. hmm.. what does this do? Every update is a bonus.. miRack does so much already.. and continues to give.. awesome stuff! 👍

philowerx

@auxmux said:

@philowerx said:

@mifki said:

@philowerx said:
That’s the beauty of BM3. The AU parameter only populates when you move a
knob or slider.
Do you have a copy of BM3?

Yes I do. I guess you're talking about parameters appearing in BM3, but even if not showing them, BM3 already knows about all parameters. When AU instance is created, it must report all parameters it has ("parameter tree"). In case of miRack, this list is not static, it depends on a patch. I wasn't able to get such dynamic parameter tree working (and not sure hosts support them either). That's why miRack currently reports a static list of 10 parameters to host and you have to do the manual assignment. It has nothing to do with a specific host app really.

Bummer. miRack AU support is crippled compared to Ripplemaker and iVCS3.

This is not a big issue. miRack is not like other AU. There could be hundreds of parameters depending on the size of the modules in a patch. It makes sense to have limits. Other AUs have a fixed number of defined parameters every time. Once you have a few favorite patches, you can save those configurations with midi or au parameters in AUM. Not a big deal.

Sorry, big deal to me. AU support is totally fine in AUM and NS2 but not in BM3. AU automation support in NS2 is already limited to a Macro oriented environment. BM3 can do Macros but more importantly also allows for direct recording of AU parameter automation from the AU apps UI as well as displaying the AU parameter (knob/slider/switch) movement on playback.

dendy

@des holy f**k polyphony in miRack ? didn't knonw that midi-in modules are working this way, this is epic ! Thaks for explainimg this concept !

Thanks to macro-concept of au automation i can with one knob control same parameter on multiple voice chains ... ooooh.. i'm in heaven, miRack is just PERFECT.

With introduction of AUv3 (of course beta formnow), i realised that i can easily exist with just NS2 and miRack, don't need any other music app :-))

TheVimFuego

Holy awesome update Batman!

Jocphone

@dendy said:
With introduction of AUv3 (of course beta formnow), i realised that i can easily exist with just NS2 and miRack, don't need any other music app :-))

Got me thinking @dendy

Might have to reinstall NanoStudio 2..

m_h_s_n

@des said:

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Hope this gives you some ideas!

Dave

Gold, Thanks Dave

0tolerance4silence

Is there a way to utilise Link - sync start/stop?

wim

@0tolerance4silence said:
Is there a way to utilise Link - sync start/stop?

Yes. It’s in the settings and then you just hook the clock out from the new Stellare Link v2 module to whatever you need.

[edit. It’s not always working for me ... probably user error. Need sleep. 🥱

des

@dendy said:
@des holy f**k polyphony in miRack ? didn't knonw that midi-in modules are working this way, this is epic ! Thaks for explainimg this concept !

Gold, Thanks Dave

@m_h_s_n said:

@des said:

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Hope this gives you some ideas!

Dave

Gold, Thanks Dave

No problem! Glad to help out. It’s easy for someone working with a modular synth to think of it as a single synth but if you have enough modules it can be many synths at the same time. A ‘problem’ with software modulars is just the overwhelming number of modules available - its easy to over look some of the basic but desirable ones. I’m happy to have that kind of problem anytime. I strongly urge everyone to go thru each Pack of modules and see what’s there... you might be surprised at what you might find.

Dave

0tolerance4silence

@wim said:

@0tolerance4silence said:
Is there a way to utilise Link - sync start/stop?

Yes. It’s in the settings and then you just hook the clock out from the new Stellare Link v2 module to whatever you need.

[edit. It’s not always working for me ... probably user error. Need sleep. 🥱

I just woke up...
To me it looks like Link module is always running (regardless of transport states) which is what I would expect from Link, but then a start/stop socket would have to be added to match functionality.

Yalexein

@des said:
Hey everyone. Been reading the threads for a while and figured it’s time to give back.

Currently you should be able to use the MIDI-4 module to route 4 midi notes into MiRack. This would be on any or all midi channels connected to the port App Default...note it will most likely say a different destination name on the midi sending device, like ‘MiRack’ for example. This is what PolyPhase and Xequence show when I connect them. From the MIDI-4 module you route CV, Gate, and optionally
Vel(ocity) and Aft(ertouch) to 4 voices. What I do is make a single voice I like using oscillators, vca’s, filters etc. and then copy that chain 3 times for a total of 4 voices. Run them to a mixer, effects, etc and out the app. Obviously you can have other things going on at the same time...perhaps drums or other sequences. It’s neat that with a slight change in each voice you can simulate the variations in analog polysynths. And...you can add a second group of 4. Set each MIDI-4 module to a different channel. Here’s a picture of running MiRack with PolyPhase on one group and KB1 controlling the second.

The other way to get polyphony is to build individual voices using the MIDI-1 and other modules per voice. This has the benefit of giving you Pitch Wheel as well as other signals for each voice. This is a pseudo-MPE patch I built - 16 voices controlled with my Linnstrument. The nuances of some of the control signals - MW, PW, etc. are not that good as they need a little more ‘massaging’ to get them working right. However I wanted the picture to fit on one screen.

And...both of these work in the AU version 😁

Hope this gives you some ideas!

Dave

Thanks Dave!

Just a question, in the second scenario each channel uses a voice. But I need some kind of app that manages 16 channels on a virtual keyboard, right? My ideal scenario is AUM.

waka_x

the latest update is mad good:)
thank you Mifki!

topaz

I have never been a fanboy but my human being has 0 space for any criticism of MiRack.

It is a work of genius, the developer listens to the best and implements.

Huge thanks to @mifki ❤️😍😎

topaz

We said the same thing in internet sync ;-)

@waka_x said:
the latest update is mad good:)
thank you Mifki!

dendy

@des
I strongly urge everyone to go thru each Pack of modules and see what’s there...

Totally agree ! Already started with this process and building my "favourites" selection. Some pretty amazing gems are there ! AUv3 feature is big game changer for me, now i will use it at large scale in my projects !

0tolerance4silence

@0tolerance4silence said:

@wim said:

@0tolerance4silence said:
Is there a way to utilise Link - sync start/stop?

Yes. It’s in the settings and then you just hook the clock out from the new Stellare Link v2 module to whatever you need.

[edit. It’s not always working for me ... probably user error. Need sleep. 🥱

I just woke up...
To me it looks like Link module is always running (regardless of transport states) which is what I would expect from Link, but then a start/stop socket would have to be added to match functionality.

Ok, apparently I wasn't woken enough... so I found the module setting Sync Start/Stop but I still can't figure out how to start/stop clock or seq without midi involved.

MadGav

I’ve updated and quickly tried multitouch... great stuff! This fixes my #1 bitch when using standalone.

des

@Yalexein said:

@des said:

Just a question, in the second scenario each channel uses a voice. But I need some kind of app that manages 16 channels on a virtual keyboard, right? My ideal scenario is AUM.

That is correct. Of course 16 channels is a lot - you could slim it down to a lot fewer if all 16 are not needed. 16 can eat resources up pretty quickly. Most times you probably won’t need more then 4 or 5 for a particular voice. As for a source of 16 channels (or less) the first ones that pop in mind would be GeoShred Pro and GeoShred Control, and KB1 for AU use. ChordPolyPad can also be set up for multi-channel out. Musix Pro has a MPE cycling mode where it cycles thru channels but doesn’t have other MPE control data (unless it’s changed recently). It’s pretty cool for generating interesting chord voicings. These are IAA though. There are probably more out there.

Dave