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Roland Zenbeats by Roland Corporation (Auv3)
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@Samu Yes there are lot of issues for me too. Now just try to export a song with several AUV3 involved, and see if the audio is crackle free. I don't use that app, I want to like it but it has not been reliable enough in my own experience to try to achieve any advanced work. I just deleted it from my 7 Plus today.
is sample editing due to be added? it needs it and when you think of all the other stuff it does it seems like its been overlooked.
Was excited about this app, then no IAA.. No Audiobus support, forced to export stems to be able to implement some other instruments and finish the song elsewhere.... If only devs where not so that much concerned to make a point to keep us stuck in their app... Keep trying! Bye-bye
Tried mostly all of these apps, (Audio Evolution, N-tracks, they all suck when it comes to sync, iAA and audiobus) to avoid spending 50 bucks on Cubasis, but seems it’s the only valid one on iOS , with Aura Pro perhaps.. on the same price range. So next month I will finally buy Cubasis, only way to get a song done until then end on iOS without struggling.
They have requested input on audio editing so they are working on it. There is some limited capability there already. I use Auditor for things I can’t do in ZB. See the videos below. I expect a big update to ZB some time in Q4.
I have a problem with recording audio in the loopbuilder. If i record audio in a clip and only want to loop a section of the audio recorded, i use the markers inside the editor with stretch and snap off.
I put the 1st marker where i want it to be and put the 2nd marker at the end of the looped section. The 2nd marker shows
1.00, meaning its a 1 bar loop. When playing the clip back over the other midi tracks, the audio clip drifts slightly out of time after 3 or 4 loops.
The problem seems to be recording audio clips and not looping right from the start of the audio file. The 2nd marker seems ambiguous as to what 1.00 (one full measure) is. You can move the marker across the wave file for about an inch (fully zoomed in) and it still shows 1.00.
To fix it probably needs a marker showing where 1 measure is exactly on the audio file editing line above, so you could place your 2nd marker on that.
Thats why i posted about a sample editor earlier. If I could trim the start of the audio i would not have this problem.
Hopefully it gets fixed in the next update.
Go into the audio editor and do the following.
Now it will loop properly. Note that if the recorded audio segment is not 1 measure long vs the tempo you may get a gap. You can adjust the length of the sample by increasing its tempo in the sidebar. You may have to shift the loop markers after this so 1 is at the start of the audio. Just turn off Snap, drag the loop marker from the center so it maintains its length then turn Snap back on.
PS - if you have Auditor it’s easy to do your editing there. You can access ZB folders to import and export from Auditor. The only thing is ZB doesn’t always update its folders when a new file is added. What I do is figure out what files need work, quit Zenbeats, edit in Auditor and then restart ZB and continue. They have been notified of this issue.
I can't wait for something like ZenCore to be 'built-in' into ZenBeats...
...I've been using the old iOS SoundCanvas app as a sound-module and then I forgot that ZenBeats can't host IAA's so I can forget everything about freezing a track
C'Mon Roland give us ZenCore for iOS
(They could start by bringing in the SoundCanvas AUv3. It's only what <60MB or so in size).
I think this is coming. I have no way of knowing other than the free ZB offer is coming to a close, Roland is planning updates “in the fall” including Zenology Pro and the synths in ZB iOS may be “end of life” per a response I received to a bug fix request. We’ll see!
That's good to hear!
Being able to 'remove' the built-in synths would make me happy as I mostly use AUv3's anyway.
I would keep the step sequencer / pattern editor from the drum-machine but just like Logic allow more customization for usage for more than just drum related tasks. It could be handy for bass-lines and driving AUv3's such as Ruismaker if it was possible to map the lanes to ports/tracks & midi-notes and also automate/sequence CC's/AUParameters.
One thing I do miss is to draw note velocities, feels kinda wonky to use the inspector on the left side to adjust velocities.
(ie. it's pretty tedious to do velocity ramps), or maybe I've missed something?
Other nice 'scenarios' would be to have an embedded 'Auditor Like' sample-editor and import preview
(The developer is working like mad on adding features and I have a hard time to keep up with the almost daily betas LOL).
Looking forward to what Roland is cooking, ZenBeats will stay on both my iPhone and iPad...
Cheers!
You can do a volume ramp automation right in the clip editor. The downside is there’s no feedback for automation values when entering or editing automation. It’s workable for now and this has been requested.
Unfortunately Volume is not the same as Note Velocity.
This is especially true for sounds where velocity dynamically affects parameters like FM Depth, Filter Cutoff etc.
It's kinda weird that Yamaha somehow made a Piano-Roll editor with almost everything that is needed and baked it into MMS and not a single app on iOS has exceeded it yet when it comes to the sheer amount of editing features and touch friendliness.
It's a real shame it's baked into a host with limited soundest and 10 tracks...
(Not even Steinberg which is fully owned by Yamaha is able to beat Yamaha at their own game when it comes to Cubasis and it's wonky piano roll!).
Oh well, time will tell where everything goes
Seven Years ago MMS...
I did exactly as your points 1 - 4 suggested and it still drifts out of time. I even recorded the drums from zenbeats at 114bpm to another digital recording device and the played back the drums as a new recording audio clip in same song from this other device, so it cant be seen as 2 different algorithms of 114bpm.
The audio segment is more than 2 measures long.
In this case i recorded a very strict quantized drum pattern. I can see exactly where the measure should end.
When i select the end loop marker, then turn snap on (your points 3 and 4), the marker (1.00) is not near the beat on the waveform, even if i try and move it. I have to move it manually with snap off to line up with the hit. It then loops perfectly ( well at least for about 30 loops). But normally i wouldnt be trying to loop perfectly quantized drums.
Unfortunately...Zenbeats not available in the country I am in...but do have Stagelight which, although not being updated anymore, was downloaded from the Hong Kong App Store......
Easy to use...but didn’t think much of the sounds.....
you might want to get it for android from an apk mirror service if you trust them
Looks like some squashed bugs? I hope!
Great work from the developer team pushing updates. @MatthewAtZenbeats, please let the team know your work is appreciated not only by me but surely by others here as well. By the pace it seems like Roland is seriously committed to Zenbeats. Let us also keep our fingers crossed for Zenology for iOS since they say it is much lighter on the CPU than previous Roland sound core software.
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dear community i ask for your advise. i am looking for an midicontroller for zenbeats, must have knobs / encoders / buttons and faders (no keyboard, i have already a keyboard synth) canditates are: faderfox uc4, studiogic sl mixface or a custom surface from special waves mine s. so far i made good experience with the novation circuit, but it has no faders. i also thought about beatstep pro but it has no faders as well. another canditate is the roland mc-707, it has huge potential but i have my doubts about future implementation of zenbeats and support compared to the price. my favorite is the uc 4. what do you guess? any recommendations and / or experience you want to share?
Thanks for the kind words and will pass things along to the team! We are seriously committed to Zenbeats and will continue to improve it just as we have since launch. Stay tuned!
Korg Nanokontrol Studio?
T> @eineruntervielen said:
any recommendations and / or experience you want to share?
My go-to iOS controller is a korg Nanokontrol studio, I rarely feel the need for faders, but reading what you require (faders/knobs/no keys) made me think of the Nektar panorama P1. It is class compliant and Nektar say iOS compatible (through a powered hub I assume).
I have one on my desktop for Bitwig and plugin control. I hadn’t thought of it for iOS as I prefer Bluetooth and have other options, but it certainly offers a lot of assignable controls.
**IAA Amp sim/guitar fx? **
Most guitar fx racks such as Tonestack, Bias, Amplitube, etc, are not Auv3. Specifically I wanna try out Tonestack since I've read great things about it.
As Zenbeats does not support IAA apps. How would you use one of those iaa fx apps to record into Zenbeats?
Is it possible?
Thanks!.
No, it is not possible.
Well ... if you had a second device and sent the audio out from it through a sound card I guess you could. But that's the only way.
There are plenty of really, really good AUv3 amp sims and FX now. Tonestack is indeed great, but I no longer bother with it or any of the other IAA/Standalone guitar apps I now have.
There's nothing stopping you from recording Tonestack with some other app like AUM and then importing the audio into Zenbeats. The sound will be the same, though not the experience, of course.
@tahiche - here are some free AUv3 guitar FX you can use to try playing into Zenbeats:
Thanks for the comment @wim.
I actually own a few of those, and purchased nembrini sound master which is great. I was looking more for stomp pedals, in particular for good octavers to do bass and some good fuzzes. It's just more convenient to be able to set up a chain of pedals and fiddle around in one of those vs individual Auv3's.
I know Stark is Auv3. Have you tried it?
As I said, I'm happy with nembrini for amp sim I'm looking more for stomp box kind of fx. Octavers and fuzz, I love fuzz.
I liked Stark a little as long as I switched off their cabinet emulation and used something else like Thafknar to load IRs. It got roundly panned by the guitar players I respect here.
Anyway, you're stuck with AUv3 as far as Zenbeats goes since it doesn't (and shouldn't IMO) host IAA's. I do wish they would add Audiobus support, which would also let them be hosted in other hosts as well. That would allow recording anything into it. But I haven't heard any hint that they plan to do that.
It's true that Tonestack and others offer a whole boatload of great FX. I can't say I miss 'em generally though.
Is it possible to record MIDI CC automation from a hardware controller to a MIDI track? Is it possible to have it captured automatically when recording notes (without specifying anything first ala Cubasis)?
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Yes but you do have to MIDI learn whatever parameters you want to control. That takes a second.