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  • WillWill

    @anickt said:

    @tahiche said:

    @anickt said:

    @mojozart said:
    @anickt Drum tracks have a MIDI control above the master fader.

    Right but there is no place (that I know of) to add MIDI fx to a Drum Track like there is in an Instrument Track. So I’m wondering where he is putting the MIDI Bus effect from the MIDI Tools package to do what he is describing.

    Hi @anickt,
    I see a “midi fix” option when long pressing on the Drum instrument just like with the other instruments.

    @tahiche Thanks! Learn something new every day! I swear I’ve long pressed on that and got nothing! I’ve long pressed on everything else in Zenbeats (I think!) 🤪

    The way the ZB UI changes depending on available real estate is both wonderful and problematic. Hurrah, responsive UIs (vs something like, cough, Thesis, cough)! But some sort of visual indication that things have been hidden behind a button (¡Viva NS2!) would be a very helpful addition to the ZB UI paradigm.

  • anicktanickt

    @syrupcore said:

    @anickt said:

    @tahiche said:

    @anickt said:

    @mojozart said:
    @anickt Drum tracks have a MIDI control above the master fader.

    Right but there is no place (that I know of) to add MIDI fx to a Drum Track like there is in an Instrument Track. So I’m wondering where he is putting the MIDI Bus effect from the MIDI Tools package to do what he is describing.

    Hi @anickt,
    I see a “midi fix” option when long pressing on the Drum instrument just like with the other instruments.

    @tahiche Thanks! Learn something new every day! I swear I’ve long pressed on that and got nothing! I’ve long pressed on everything else in Zenbeats (I think!) 🤪

    The way the ZB UI changes depending on available real estate is both wonderful and problematic. Hurrah, responsive UIs (vs something like, cough, Thesis, cough)! But some sort of visual indication that things have been hidden behind a button (¡Viva NS2!) would be a very helpful addition to the ZB UI paradigm.

    Once you know, it’s no problem. I’m pretty sure I long pressed on everything and found most of it but this one eluded me! 😆

  • onerezonerez

    @tahiche said:

    @onerez said:
    @tahiche keep going!!!!! Coool Stuff!!!!

    Yeah, I might actually make some music when I stop obsessing over all these things that “keep me” from making music.
    The Midi Tools bus is actually very useful for a range of applications. Like playing the same sequence on multiple instruments. I know you can copy and paste, but what If you want to change a note?. I do programming for a living and it’s a sort of OTC thing to not repeat things...
    I wish I knew how do tutorial videos so I could put together a little demo cos it is quite helpful.

    @tahiche can you post some shots or video of what you are doing to get poly to play the drums via the midi bus? I think i have it set up all correct but no joy..

  • tahichetahiche

    @syrupcore said:
    The way the ZB UI changes depending on available real estate is both wonderful and problematic. Hurrah, responsive UIs (vs something like, cough, Thesis, cough)! But some sort of visual indication that things have been hidden behind a button (¡Viva NS2!) would be a very helpful addition to the ZB UI paradigm.

    100% second this. I keep long pressing things waiting for something to happen. A 3 horizontal lines buttons (aka hamburger) representing a sub menu would avoid the unbereable humiliation. :smiley:
    The midi fix menu is specially non-intuitive. I think it’d make more sense to move it to the general track options menu, where the “midi fix pre” option resides. Why are they in different menus?. Also, to be able to reorder midi fx.

  • anicktanickt

    @tahiche said:

    @syrupcore said:
    The way the ZB UI changes depending on available real estate is both wonderful and problematic. Hurrah, responsive UIs (vs something like, cough, Thesis, cough)! But some sort of visual indication that things have been hidden behind a button (¡Viva NS2!) would be a very helpful addition to the ZB UI paradigm.

    100% second this. I keep long pressing things waiting for something to happen. A 3 horizontal lines buttons (aka hamburger) representing a sub menu would avoid the unbereable humiliation. :smiley:
    The midi fix menu is specially non-intuitive. I think it’d make more sense to move it to the general track options menu, where the “midi fix pre” option resides. Why are they in different menus?. Also, to be able to reorder midi fx.

    I’m guessing that it goes back to the Stagelight origins and may change. I’m looking forward to Roland Cloud integration on iOS. I’ve fooled with it a little on my Mac and it’s nice to have all the Roland classics available! They aren’t “cheap” but I’ve spent more on iOS apps overall! 🤑

  • tahichetahiche

    @onerez said:

    @tahiche said:

    @onerez said:
    @tahiche keep going!!!!! Coool Stuff!!!!

    Yeah, I might actually make some music when I stop obsessing over all these things that “keep me” from making music.
    The Midi Tools bus is actually very useful for a range of applications. Like playing the same sequence on multiple instruments. I know you can copy and paste, but what If you want to change a note?. I do programming for a living and it’s a sort of OTC thing to not repeat things...
    I wish I knew how do tutorial videos so I could put together a little demo cos it is quite helpful.

    @tahiche can you post some shots or video of what you are doing to get poly to play the drums via the midi bus? I think i have it set up all correct but no joy..

    I believe @anickt is gonna video, but if you’re like me you probably can’t eat or sleep 🙃 and your life depends on it so I’ll try to help with some screenshots. Also, I don’t know if @anickt is gonna use Poly2 or a different plugin. My guess is it’s Poly 2 that’s giving you a headache...

    Track with poly 2 has midi fx midi tools sending on bus 2.

    In Poly 2 it’s important to choose the note and octave that correspond to the ZB drum instrument. I’m guessing this is where you’re having problems, I certainly was.I didn’t which notes/octaves would trigger drums, so I exported a “go through all notes” midi sequence from Drums to find out. Those are the notes of the tracks in Poly2.



    Bonus:
    You can switch patterns on Poly2 via midi automation. So on the Poly2 track you can have empty sequences that just change the pattern


    I exported the demo song to Google Drive in case it helps:

    https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/1UH0Fv5PbnvY7iuQYL10M_B1DLOe2RQGj

  • onerezonerez

    @tahiche thank you.....
    2 things I think I downloaded your song and its gone... meant to copy it. I cant open it anyway I try.... jeez I thought I new what I was doing in ZB.... the other issues is how in the heck are you opening the midi version of poly on a track???? I cant get it to show up unless I have an instrument in there... are you doing that then deleting the instrument?

  • onerezonerez

    @onerez said:
    @tahiche thank you.....
    2 things I think I downloaded your song and its gone... meant to copy it. I cant open it anyway I try.... jeez I thought I new what I was doing in ZB.... the other issues is how in the heck are you opening the midi version of poly on a track???? I cant get it to show up unless I have an instrument in there... are you doing that then deleting the instrument?

    Edit.... well I got it going. I had to add an instrument to get the midi version of poly then deleted it.... working now.

    You are a mad scientist!!!!!!

  • anicktanickt

    I have to finish up my look at SampleVerse first! 😆 I’ve also decided to not be too iOS specific with my videos since ZB works on all standard platforms.

    One interesting thing I’ve fooled with is Playbeats and Riffer controlling the Drum Machine. Surprisingly Riffer works better.

    Just drop it in as a MIDI FX and restrict the note range to whatever drums you want to play. The first Kick in ZB is C2 but you have to set Riffer an octave down. If you create a custom drum kit that has sounds that work well randomly set to match the note range in Riffer and other sounds set outside of that range you can, for instance, program a 4/4 kick that won’t change in the drum grid and then have Riffer play the more random stuff at the same time. You can also record the output of Riffer. So for this you don’t need MIDI Bus.

    On the other hand I can’t get Playbeats to do anything but play its own samples. It won’t play the ZB Drum Machine. I don’t think ZB likes the multi channel aspect of it. Not sure if it’s worth the bother. I have Poly2 somewhere. I’ll give that a shot.

  • tahichetahiche

    @onerez said:

    @onerez said:
    @tahiche thank you.....
    2 things I think I downloaded your song and its gone... meant to copy it. I cant open it anyway I try.... jeez I thought I new what I was doing in ZB.... the other issues is how in the heck are you opening the midi version of poly on a track???? I cant get it to show up unless I have an instrument in there... are you doing that then deleting the instrument?

    Edit.... well I got it going. I had to add an instrument to get the midi version of poly then deleted it.... working now.

    You are a mad scientist!!!!!!

    Yes, you need a instrument to add midi fx. Basically a slot to long press on, which is rather pointless. You can then lower the volume, delete it or whatever. About the song, I just exported it, don't know what I'm doing either, never exported before.

  • tahichetahiche

    @anickt said:
    I have to finish up my look at SampleVerse first! 😆 I’ve also decided to not be too iOS specific with my videos since ZB works on all standard platforms.

    One interesting thing I’ve fooled with is Playbeats and Riffer controlling the Drum Machine. Surprisingly Riffer works better.

    Just drop it in as a MIDI FX and restrict the note range to whatever drums you want to play. The first Kick in ZB is C2 but you have to set Riffer an octave down. If you create a custom drum kit that has sounds that work well randomly set to match the note range in Riffer and other sounds set outside of that range you can, for instance, program a 4/4 kick that won’t change in the drum grid and then have Riffer play the more random stuff at the same time. You can also record the output of Riffer. So for this you don’t need MIDI Bus.

    On the other hand I can’t get Playbeats to do anything but play its own samples. It won’t play the ZB Drum Machine. I don’t think ZB likes the multi channel aspect of it. Not sure if it’s worth the bother. I have Poly2 somewhere. I’ll give that a shot.

    The octave discrepancy between instruments and apps is something that puzzles me. Something is supposed to be C2 but it's really C1... Don't know why.
    What you're doing with Riffer is exactly what I was talking about. These polyrithm apps are really cool but too over the place sometimes. To be able to add some kicks and snares on the drum track to make a solid base is really useful. That's where pattern switching on Poly2 via automation is really interesting.

  • wimwim
    edited July 2020

    @tahiche said:
    The octave discrepancy between instruments and apps is something that puzzles me. Something is supposed to be C2 but it's really C1... Don't know why.

    That's just a MIDI thing. There was never any MIDI standard for what octave notes are listed as. As a result, different apps and hardware can sometimes name them differently. For some note "0", the lowest note starts at C-1. for other it starts at C0, for instance. You just have to get used to it as it isn't going to change at this point.

  • anicktanickt
    edited July 2020

    @wim said:

    @tahiche said:
    The octave discrepancy between instruments and apps is something that puzzles me. Something is supposed to be C2 but it's really C1... Don't know why.

    That's just a MIDI thing. There was never any MIDI standard for what octave notes are listed as. As a result, different apps and hardware can sometimes name them differently. For some note "0", the lowest note starts at C-1. for other it starts at C0, for instance. You just have to get used to it as it isn't going to change at this point.

    There actually are standards. One is Roland and one is Yamaha. One of them makes middle C an octave off the other one. But its actually not a MIDI thing. See below. You know what they say about standards? Standards are good. That's why there are so many of them! :D

    See paragraph 4/5

    http://dictionary.onmusic.org/appendix/topics/octaves

  • wimwim
    edited July 2020

    @anickt said:
    @anickt said:

    @wim said:

    @tahiche said:
    The octave discrepancy between instruments and apps is something that puzzles me. Something is supposed to be C2 but it's really C1... Don't know why.

    That's just a MIDI thing. There was never any MIDI standard for what octave notes are listed as. As a result, different apps and hardware can sometimes name them differently. For some note "0", the lowest note starts at C-1. for other it starts at C0, for instance. You just have to get used to it as it isn't going to change at this point.

    There actually are standards. One is Roland and one is Yamaha. One of them makes middle C an octave off the other one. But its actually not a MIDI thing. See below. You know what they say about standards? Standards are good. That's why there are so many of them! :D

    See paragraph 4/5

    http://dictionary.onmusic.org/appendix/topics/octaves

    Those are "systems", but not the MIDI v1.0 Standard (specification), which is an official thing.

    Why, every time I try mention this, does someone always feel the need to quibble about the details, obscuring the main point, which is "why" there are differences. 🙄

    4 / 5. MIDI Octave Designation Systems
    The MIDI (Musical Instrument Device Interface) standards unfortunately do not designate octaves. The standard merely designates that Middle C is note number 60. Thus, MIDI users have had to create their own designation systems using the MIDI numbering system. Understandably, the most logical octave designations were the existing designations superimposed over the MIDI numbering system. There are at least two accepted octave designation systems for the MIDI numbers. Part of the problem stems from the fact that the notes of the keyboard (or any other insrtument) are no longer a limitation in the range of pitches available.

    One version of the MIDI system uses C3 to designate Middle C (MIDI note 60, 261.626 Hz). That means that the octave designation for MIDI note "0" would be "-2" or notated as C-2.

    Another version of the MIDI system uses the lowest note available to the MIDI system (MIDI note 1, 8.176 Hz) to designate Octave "0" with the notation of C0. In this system, Middle C (MIDI note 60, 261.626 Hz) is octave 5 with the notation of C5.

  • anicktanickt

    @wim said:

    @anickt said:
    @anickt said:

    @wim said:

    @tahiche said:
    The octave discrepancy between instruments and apps is something that puzzles me. Something is supposed to be C2 but it's really C1... Don't know why.

    That's just a MIDI thing. There was never any MIDI standard for what octave notes are listed as. As a result, different apps and hardware can sometimes name them differently. For some note "0", the lowest note starts at C-1. for other it starts at C0, for instance. You just have to get used to it as it isn't going to change at this point.

    There actually are standards. One is Roland and one is Yamaha. One of them makes middle C an octave off the other one. But its actually not a MIDI thing. See below. You know what they say about standards? Standards are good. That's why there are so many of them! :D

    See paragraph 4/5

    http://dictionary.onmusic.org/appendix/topics/octaves

    Those are "systems", but not the MIDI v1.0 Standard (specification), which is an official thing.

    Why, every time I try mention this, does someone always feel the need to quibble about the details, obscuring the main point, which is "why" there are differences. 🙄

    4 / 5. MIDI Octave Designation Systems
    The MIDI (Musical Instrument Device Interface) standards unfortunately do not designate octaves. The standard merely designates that Middle C is note number 60. Thus, MIDI users have had to create their own designation systems using the MIDI numbering system. Understandably, the most logical octave designations were the existing designations superimposed over the MIDI numbering system. There are at least two accepted octave designation systems for the MIDI numbers. Part of the problem stems from the fact that the notes of the keyboard (or any other insrtument) are no longer a limitation in the range of pitches available.

    One version of the MIDI system uses C3 to designate Middle C (MIDI note 60, 261.626 Hz). That means that the octave designation for MIDI note "0" would be "-2" or notated as C-2.

    Another version of the MIDI system uses the lowest note available to the MIDI system (MIDI note 1, 8.176 Hz) to designate Octave "0" with the notation of C0. In this system, Middle C (MIDI note 60, 261.626 Hz) is octave 5 with the notation of C5.

    Not quibbling at all. Just pointing out that it’s not just a random thing as many people seem to think. Plus there are many answers. Ultimately if you can get the right note to sound when you want it to then I guess that’s the most important thing. ✌🏼

  • wimwim
    edited July 2020

    ✌🏼

    It's just annoying. :D

    That question comes up so often, and I've yet to craft a boilerplate answer that's simple enough not to obscure the point that doesn't invite a string of side comments. I'm gonna get there some day, I swear. :D

    Don't mind me.

  • mojozartmojozart

    Conventions

  • anicktanickt

    @wim said:
    ✌🏼

    It's just annoying. :D

    That question comes up so often, and I've yet to craft a boilerplate answer that's simple enough not to obscure the point that doesn't invite a string of side comments. I'm gonna get there some day, I swear. :D

    Don't mind me.

    😆👍🏼

  • tahichetahiche

    ** Resampling ? **
    Hi, I wonder if any of you have any advice or workflow regarding processing samples in ZB. Say you got a kick drum sample, adjust and trim, then apply some AUV3 fx: eq, compression, some distorsion... How would you save that sample with all fx applied to be able to reuse afterwards and create your own kits?.
    The only way I can think of is adding a midi note on the track, soloing the track, bouncing the song... very cumbersome and not efficient.
    I’m thinking of a sampler app that can apply AUV3 fx and resample... can’t seem to do that in BM3 either. The only feasible but far from perfect approach I’ve found is to use AUM, put a sampler, add fx slots and record the output to AudioShare. I’m guessing what I’m after is pretty common... get a sample, mangle and add fx and save...
    Cheers!.

  • SamuSamu

    It's kinda fun when the Roland reps will neither confirm or deny when asked if ZenCore will come to iOS :D

    (I hope to see ZenCore AUv3 on iOS/iPadOS).

  • anicktanickt

    @tahiche said:
    ** Resampling ? **
    Hi, I wonder if any of you have any advice or workflow regarding processing samples in ZB. Say you got a kick drum sample, adjust and trim, then apply some AUV3 fx: eq, compression, some distorsion... How would you save that sample with all fx applied to be able to reuse afterwards and create your own kits?.
    The only way I can think of is adding a midi note on the track, soloing the track, bouncing the song... very cumbersome and not efficient.
    I’m thinking of a sampler app that can apply AUV3 fx and resample... can’t seem to do that in BM3 either. The only feasible but far from perfect approach I’ve found is to use AUM, put a sampler, add fx slots and record the output to AudioShare. I’m guessing what I’m after is pretty common... get a sample, mangle and add fx and save...
    Cheers!.

    What other way can you do it? Most apps would require an export/import of some kind. In ZB I would do as in my recent video. Solo the drum sound and set the track loop to the length of the sound. Export to bake it then import into drum machine slot. Once you’ve done it a couple of times it would be pretty quick.

  • SamuSamu

    @anickt said:

    Thanks for making theses videos :)
    Do you know if the iOS plat-form unlock is still free?
    (I might need to start deleting some stuff to make room for Zenbeats...).

  • anicktanickt

    @Samu said:

    @anickt said:

    Thanks for making theses videos :)
    Do you know if the iOS plat-form unlock is still free?
    (I might need to start deleting some stuff to make room for Zenbeats...).

    Thanks for watching. It’s still free. It’s quirky but it does pretty much everything I need it to do. In my mind it’s similar to Caustic/NS2 but with audio tracks. I’m pretty sure they will be tying the iOS version into Roland Cloud in the not too distant future. When I asked they said they would “neither confirm nor deny”. 😆

  • SamuSamu

    @anickt said:

    Thanks for watching. It’s still free. It’s quirky but it does pretty much everything I need it to do. In my mind it’s similar to Caustic/NS2 but with audio tracks. I’m pretty sure they will be tying the iOS version into Roland Cloud in the not too distant future. When I asked they said they would “neither confirm nor deny”. 😆

    My pleasure, it's good and informative videos :)
    I have enough space on my iPhone 8 so I might start with installing it there...

  • DMfanDMfan

    @Samu said:
    It's kinda fun when the Roland reps will neither confirm or deny when asked if ZenCore will come to iOS :D

    (I hope to see ZenCore AUv3 on iOS/iPadOS).

    +1

    Zen we want!

  • R_2R_2

    Yeah, implementation of ZenCore on iOS would be VERY interesting.

  • SamuSamu

    Hmmm, maybe newbie question but how do I see how many 'zen coins' (or whatever its called) do I have?
    I activated the free upgrade which was worth 15 credits or so bit if I recall correctly it should also include some 'coins' to get some sound packs?!

    It does feel a bit 'laggy' on the iPad Air 2 compared to other apps...

  • anicktanickt
    edited July 2020

    @Samu said:
    Hmmm, maybe newbie question but how do I see how many 'zen coins' (or whatever its called) do I have?
    I activated the free upgrade which was worth 15 credits or so bit if I recall correctly it should also include some 'coins' to get some sound packs?!

    It does feel a bit 'laggy' on the iPad Air 2 compared to other apps...

    No there are no “coins”. Loop and preset packs are 4 Points. That’s $3.99 US dollars. Go to the in-app Store and then My Stuff and you will see expansions that need to be downloaded after a new install. I think that’s what you’re looking for.

    It can be a little laggy on my Air 1 but my main platform is a 2019 iPad which is fine.

  • SamuSamu

    @anickt said:

    No there are no “coins”. Loop and preset packs are 4 Points. That’s $3.99 US dollars. Go to the in-app Store and then My Stuff and you will see expansions that need to be downloaded after a new install. I think that’s what you’re looking for.

    The free stuff I've already found, but at some point in the some of the other stuff (Like Roland Classics) were 'free' but at that point I didn't have ZenBeats :)

    Still scanning all the AUv3's on my iPad Air 2. It has crashed 3 times already but I just continue, 28/50 remains, it's currently 'stuck' at Strng AU by Humbletune, so either it passes or I'll have to force quit the app and continue :D
    (It started at >240 or so, yeah, I'm an app-o-holic).

    All the AUv3's I have work with BM3, Cubasis, AUM, apeMatrix to name a few so I do hope they pass the 'test' in ZenBeats as well...

  • anicktanickt

    @Samu said:

    @anickt said:

    No there are no “coins”. Loop and preset packs are 4 Points. That’s $3.99 US dollars. Go to the in-app Store and then My Stuff and you will see expansions that need to be downloaded after a new install. I think that’s what you’re looking for.

    The free stuff I've already found, but at some point in the some of the other stuff (Like Roland Classics) were 'free' but at that point I didn't have ZenBeats :)

    Still scanning all the AUv3's on my iPad Air 2. It has crashed 3 times already but I just continue, 28/50 remains, it's currently 'stuck' at Strng AU by Humbletune, so either it passes or I'll have to force quit the app and continue :D
    (It started at >240 or so, yeah, I'm an app-o-holic).

    All the AUv3's I have work with BM3, Cubasis, AUM, apeMatrix to name a few so I do hope they pass the 'test' in ZenBeats as well...

    I own most of the major AU’s but my preference is just to use a handful that all work fine with ZB. Once you’ve completed a full AU scan you only have to do Scan For New if you install anything new. Good luck!

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