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The only ones left that do not validate are Midi Route and Atom.
I could 'un quarantine' them but that could potentially lead to instability or something and well they are not really needed inside ZenBeats...
It's going to take time to adjust to the wonky way of selecting and moving notes around.
(Especially when one is used to long-tap to start making a selection).
NS2 has without any kind of competition the best note-editor on iOS, even Cubasis feels more 'Intuitive' than ZenBeats
For a 'free app' I can oversee the quirks with the app.
I would have been a bit more frustrated and irritated if I had actually paid for it
Do you know if there's a way to make the piano-keys 'wider' I've tried pinch-zoom, double tap in most of the places?!
(Even though I have small fingers they ain't that small hehe).
I'll mess around with the app (Installed it on my iPhone 8 as well), time will tell if I fall for it or not...
Drag up / down in the resize bar.
As for the piano roll editor, yeh, it can be a real mind bender to get used to. That all changed when I started using the expanded tools area at the left. With those tools, a fairly similar editing workflow to NS2 and X2, can be achieved.
MIDI Route will not work. The rest of that package does. I don’t use Atom. I used ZB for a while and then went back to NS2 for something and found that the only things in NS2 that work better are automation drawing/editing and some aspects of Obsidian. MIDI editing in ZB is equal and better in some ways. Make sure you open the sidebar for advanced MIDI editing (see below). I prefer ZB Drum Machine to Slate. Not so sure about using it on phone. I have it on my 7 but not for anything serious. Strictly my opinions as applies to my way of working.
I've already found the side-bar but sometimes the notes get very small (like just a vertical line) and those are next to impossible to select without some kind of 'lasso tool'
I do like the drum sequencer but it's full of 'glitches', like if you swipe right to create those rapid fire hi-hats it doesn't use the 'step divide' automation but rather shifts the notes in time and when using step divide it's not visible outside the automation lanes so one scratches the head when there are divided steps but no indication on the main sequencer screen...
(It could be a simple gesture to add step-divide like swipe down to divide a step, just like velocity can be changed using swipe up).
All in all since updates are dropping at pretty regular intervals things can only improve from here on forward...
(And for a 'Free' app it's pretty darn good and well worth a download).
So I've been playing around with ZenBeats a bit more...
I do hope that SampleVerse will gain at least a bit more modulation options...
...I'd love to modulate the phase of the oscillator with an LFO but phase not available as a modulation destination
(It would add a fair bit of nice wavetable-like animation to hand-drawn waveforms for creating animated pads or leads).
A simple addition of 'duty cycle' for the square-wave would be much appreciated as well...
Time to get on with sampling a bit now
Hmm...
The more I 'dig in' the more 'things' I bump into...
...seems like automation when using 'curves' is broken?!
Ie. as soon as I 'bend' an automation curve the synth (Electro Pulse in this case) that it's controlling goes silent?!
Is there any 'known issues' list for this app? (Didn't find anything at the back stage).
Oh well, I'll keep it on my iPad and look forward to the updates
I have seen that. I have had better luck using the brush tool but instead of painting with it just tap to create points and you’ll get a bezier between them. Or just use the brush tool to paint what you want and leave it or delete and re-paint. For me automation editing is a weak point in ZB. I know they are working on it.
I don’t think the Electro synths are going to be developed any further. I was told they are approaching End Of Life. As much as I like them, because I get unusual results from them, they can be quirky such as a jump when automating cutoff frequency.
I honestly believe that Rolands next big move, which will happen “in the fall”, is going to change everything and all platforms will be based on Zen technology. I have Zenology Light and Roland Cloud on my Mac. I am excited by what I see! However, if you think the App Store is a wallet drainer... although in the long run, Roland Cloud might actually be a better deal. We’ll see!
Zenology AUv3 on iOS/iPadOS would be very nice indeed but I do hope it'll be one-time purchase just like the Sound Canvas is/was. 'Renting' apps is something I avoid like the plague...
I was interested in Zenology Pro for my Mac but I just can't stand 'snooper apps' (like the cloud manger) idling in the background without knowing what it's actually doing and the paranoid copy-protection stuff has no place on my Mac...
(I'm happy with Logic Pro X and a bunch of freeware plug-ins).
https://socalabs.com (among other things).
I've found their tech support to be very responsive when I've reported issues to them directly.
To me “renting apps” makes sense if you have a way of justifying it. In my video business I subscribe to stock video libraries for instance. That pays for itself many times over. If I was just making home videos it wouldn’t make sense. When Roland updates their system I’ll determine if a subscription makes sense for my music. Everyone’s got different needs.
Well I have already subscribed to Zenology!!! I dont care. LOL. Now @MatthewAtZenbeats can you please throw your weight around and get it to iOS!! 😂.
It sounds amazing!!!!!!!!!!!
This talks about ZenCore, Zenology Model Expansion, and the upcoming Zenology Pro. Sounds like you buy a lifetime key per model expansion (good news for subscription adverse). Temporary keys may be also be included at some yet to be determined level of subscription.
Nutrix has a couple of good Zen videos recently. Well worth a watch.
Midi clock receive?? My Yamaha PSR E453 is sending midi clock to Zenbeats. Syncs beautiful at some tempos and terrible at others. 96bpm - perfect sync. 97bpm drifts badly after about 2 bars. 98, 99 no go.100 good again.
Free pack in the store
I'm slowly starting to get the hang of Zenbeats and it's quirks compared to other apps...
Is there any way to do destructive audio-edits to the recordings?
Is there a way to copy & paste an audio-recording/loop from the time line to sampleverse or the drum-machine?
I guess I could always browse to the project folder and import from there or something?
Still not 100% friends with the lack of a lasso-tool in the note editor but I'll do the opposite logic here and do select all and the use the multi-select to de-select the events that should not be affected...
And well, the built-in synths have a load of parameters not exposed to the main UI but if those are 'on the way out' I won't waste too much energy on learning them. (Bring on ZenCore in playback mode with limited parameters similar to MC-101 and I'll be more than happy!).
Over all so far it's been a pretty positive experience once I found good settings for the UI zoom level and icon sizes
Recording external midi with a single auv3 plugin. Doesnt matter which. All it does is crash, crash, crash. Great app if it would work😎
What exactly are you doing? What plug-ins have you tried?
No destructive edits. For timeline to instrument - solo loop and export. Open in instrument of choice. See my video. No lasso? Drag with multi select tool active. I think we’ll see Zencore in a few months.
Thanks!
So for now it’s better to do the sampling and editing with other apps.
Hope the ZenCore will be an AUv3 when it drops
It would be great if in the pop up you get on a long-press for an audio clip, “share” was an option.
+1 on that, should be an optional standard in all DAWs
Hmm...
When using 'swing' together with a plug-in that introduces latency (Pro-L2 as an example) the exported audio doesn't loop properly. Oh well, Cubasis 3 has 'issues' rendering audio with Pro-L2 (it creates a small gap in the beginning of the audio-file so it doesn't loop correctly either) and most 'DAWs' on iOS have freeze/render issues so I guess we'll have to wait a bit more.
So far the only host where I do not have these issues is BM3...
I think the AUv3 integration attempted by ZenBeats is very ambitious. I'm reminded of the early days of 3rd party graphics drivers on Windows, when there was no certification or seal of approval to sort out the flaky ones, and any issue was met with finger pointing and suspicion rather than resolution. Realistically, full support for random AUv3 plugins is going to be a perpetual challenge. But it's working surprisingly well, all in all, at the moment.
I think this is accurate. I'm having a very rough time with it on a brand new iPad 7th gen. Admittedly, I've not been cautious about which AUv3 apps I've been using thus far and it's been painful. Opening or saving most of my projects takes several minutes, freezing a track actually makes it worse (stutters/glitches) every time, I'm entirely unable to render tracks or songs within ZB and I literally spent 3 hours the other day to record a track to another device before getting a take that was free of glitches, and it's not like I'm using 20 tracks but more like 4-6 with a few FX per track. The thing is, I love the workflow and combination of audio/MIDI capabilities and I am producing great tracks in there compared to what I end up within Gadget or BM3 or anything else on iOS really. I think it says a lot for the product that I've been willing to endure the challenges I've encountered so far. I know it's the external apps because most of the problems improve significantly when I eliminate or don't use them, but obviously the songs suffer. It makes me wonder if there's some fundamental configuration setting that I'm overlooking and also I regret not getting the Air or Pro iPad just in case I'm hitting some performance limits. If not, I guess I need to spend some time vetting apps to identify a reliable subset. Maybe if I do that, I can share my experiences and compare notes with others. I do have faith it will continue to improve, though.
I have the ipad 7th and do not have any export problems. I am also fussy about what AU's I use and not afraid to ditch anything that doesn't work with me.
Get in touch with Roland. They are very responsive and want to make Zenbeats the best it can be. If you contact them through the in-app support link your communication will go to a real person. They ALWAYS respond to me.
And just in case... @MatthewAtZenbeats
Few questions for more experienced users:
In clip view/cells how do I change the length of a clip? Is it fixed ? I tried extending the end marker but it doesn’t work.
When choosing a preset with an auv3 synth inside Zenbeats , and assigning midi cc’s with external controller, the preset sound changes... is it required to first save each preset as a new one , when working inside Zenbeats?
Is it possible to use the Novation launchpad Pro mk3 to launch the clips in Zenbeats?
Don’t see why not. I use an Akai LPD8 with pads set to Toggle and then MIDI learn clip to pad.
Thanks!