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  • Sign up for a free Roland Account and start using Roland Cloud today. Explore ZENOLOGY Lite and Zenbeats, and purchase Memberships or Lifetime Keys for instruments, sounds, and more.

    There are also three paid membership plans—Core, Pro, and Ultimate—each offering an increased level of access. All paid plans start with a 30-day free trial of Ultimate, so you can experience everything Roland Cloud has to offer.

  • @royor said:

    Sign up for a free Roland Account and start using Roland Cloud today. Explore ZENOLOGY Lite and Zenbeats, and purchase Memberships or Lifetime Keys for instruments, sounds, and more.

    There are also three paid membership plans—Core, Pro, and Ultimate—each offering an increased level of access. All paid plans start with a 30-day free trial of Ultimate, so you can experience everything Roland Cloud has to offer.

    Thanks, now I understand ;)

  • Okay, in Zenology I managed to store some presets into a user bank and then export it into a SVZ file. Then I could import it with ZC1. So far so good. But I encountered two problems:

    1. One preset sounded significantly different than the original. It seemed to miss a bellish sound that might be a missing sample.
    2. The export was fine but I was unable to store the imported patches in my bank. There is a function 'Generate Presets From SVZ' but after doing so I could not find the imported presets anywhere.

    Guess I will file a bugreport

  • @krassmann said:
    Okay, in Zenology I managed to store some presets into a user bank and then export it into a SVZ file. Then I could import it with ZC1. So far so good. But I encountered two problems:

    1. One preset sounded significantly different than the original. It seemed to miss a bellish sound that might be a missing sample.
    2. The export was fine but I was unable to store the imported patches in my bank. There is a function 'Generate Presets From SVZ' but after doing so I could not find the imported presets anywhere.

    Guess I will file a bugreport

    If SVZ import does work you can buy quite a few sound banks in the Roland Cloud Manger for 99cents each they are in SVZ format.

  • Wow, this is a great update so far.. midi import just made this DAW very serious...

    Thanks....

  • edited September 2020

    I still do not understand why when duplicating audio regions the colours change to whatever Zenbeats randomly chooses. I multi selected and duplicated bars 1 to 4 and colours have changed. Annoying.

  • edited September 2020

    @MatthewAtZenbeats Hi I tried to update so I could unlock Zenbeats on my MBP 2013 and don’t see any options in the store if I hit a unlock option it just takes me to the Roland website. I’m using the latest update today.

  • Hey Everyone,

    Great reading all the feedback for V2. Going to try to get to everyone's questions today. Many replies inline and I'll make another post with more soon.

    @Jumpercollins said:
    It’s a bit confusing if you;already have AU and SampleVerse blocked as it states you paying for the AU and Sampleverse again if you already unlocked, you not as all still working. So basically ZC1 full version for £10. There is quite a lot of presets in the unlocked version to use.

    Zenbeats 2.0 Pricing

    For new users:
    V2 Platform Unlocks give access to every in-app Zenbeats feature and ZC1 (with 800+ sounds) on your specified platform. The price is the same at $14.99 for mobile and $49.99 for desktop.

    For Platform V1 Owners (Upgrades)
    All features you got with the V1 unlock are still active and will work without upgrading of course. The main thing you are missing is access to ZC1 extra tones and MFX section. The upgrade price to get a pV2 platform upgrade is only $10 for Android/iOS and $25 for Desktop OS. Considering all of the content you get alone, plus importing and exporting of ZEN-Core tones, we think that is a pretty fair deal.

    For Ultimate V1 owners (Upgrades)
    The upgrade price is $50 which unlocks Zenbeats V2 on all platforms and gives you the extra in-app packs we launched today, plus any future store pack we launch until we launch the next major version.

    Roland Cloud Subscribers
    As some people have already posted, they have access to Zenbeats Ultimate V2 with their Roland Cloud Subscription. This is not a trial offer. Starting at $2.99 per month for their Core Membership, you can access all Zenbeats features and content on any device and keep it as long as your membership is active.

    @Samu said:

    @MAtrixplan said:

    @Samu said:

    Most likely just another new sound pack...

    I hope not! :) Maybe new synth

    It is and it's the fastest insta-buy ever after playing thru the presets, sure it's not AUv3 (Yet?) but it's just what I needed.
    Thanks @MatthewAtZenbeats it's nice synth, consider making it available to other AUv3 hosts as well ;)
    (And when that happens an unlock for full editing capabilities for the ZC-1).

    Cheers!

    Thanks for kind words and suggestions!

    @Korakios said:
    Off topic a bit but here is a nice trick for those who can’t find a proper theme for Zen

    -On accessibility settings of iOS perform a “Smart Invert Colors” and enjoy :)
    Unfortunately I can’t take screenshots ,since iOS doesn’t capture the screen like that .

    @MatthewAtZenbeats could you add inverted themes ?
    Thank for the update :) :) :)

    Good idea! What is your curernt favorite theme? PM me!

    @Samu said:
    @MatthewAtZenbeats It's pretty easy to get 'stuck keys' using the onscreen keyboard in ZenBets since the Dock can pop up when using the expressive features (swipe up) of the keyboard.

    Consider enabling 'edge protection' in ZenBeats. (This is the default behavior in most iOS/iPadOS DAWs)
    https://stackoverflow.com/questions/46988469/how-to-enable-edge-protect-in-iphone-x

    It affects all iOS/iPadOS devices not just the iPhone.

    Noted!

    Does ZenBeats have a 'midi panic/all keys off' function?
    Can't seem to find it so I have to quit ZenBeats and relaunch it to release the stuck keys.

    I'm off to enjoy the new sounds of the ZC-1, hope to see it as an iPadOS/iOS AUv3 some day with fill editing capabilities ;)

    Cheers!
    /Samuel

    MIDI panic is sent by pressing the Stop button twice.

    @knewspeak said:
    ZC1, Zenology Pro and another fantastic update for my MC-707, nice work Roland and may you continue your support, thanks.

    Don’t forget the ZenCore engine is capable of emulating the Jupiter 8, Juno 106, JX8P, SH101 and XV as well as it’s own synthesis.

    Thanks! Bringing the ZEN-Core engine to mobile platforms was a huge challenge. Of course, there will be refinements and we love hearing where customers want us to take things from here. Lot's of good stuff planned!

    @gdog said:
    Hi @MatthewAtZenbeats
    If I haven’t installed ZC1/Zenology on pc/mac do I register with the same information I used on iOS?
    Thanks!

    Yes, use the same email as used with Roland Cloud (or your Roland Account)

    @dpeace said:
    Puzzled. I have the ultimate unlock for v1 - appears as though the v2 ultimate upgrade costs 50 points = c £50. Is this right?

    See above for more details but that is correct. IF you have any specific questions or concerns, PM me

  • @Jumpercollins said:
    @MatthewAtZenbeats Hi I tried to update so I could unlock Zenbeats on my MBP 2013 and don’t see any options in the store if I hit a unlock option it just takes me to the Roland website. I’m using the latest update today.

    Go to the unlock tab in the store. You should see the upgrade offer there. Also see my post above

  • @stormbeats said:
    I still do not understand why when duplicating audio regions the colours change to whatever Zenbeats randomly chooses. I multi selected and duplicated bars 1 to 4 and colours have changed. Annoying.

    Noted!

  • @BiancaNeve said:

    @dpeace said:
    Puzzled. I have the ultimate unlock for v1 - appears as though the v2 ultimate upgrade costs 50 points = c £50. Is this right?

    Wow that sounds expensive. The v2 iOS unlock is only £10.

    Remeber that Ultimate gets all current and future packs released in the store up until version 3.0.

  • SVZ files store the tone/synth settings as well as the MFX. The main 5 settings on the Main section (filter, amp and vibrato) are not stored in SVZ format at this time, but can easily be set in Zenology

  • edited September 2020

    @MatthewAtZenbeats said:

    @Jumpercollins said:
    @MatthewAtZenbeats Hi I tried to update so I could unlock Zenbeats on my MBP 2013 and don’t see any options in the store if I hit a unlock option it just takes me to the Roland website. I’m using the latest update today.

    Go to the unlock tab in the store. You should see the upgrade offer there. Also see my post above

    @MatthewAtZenbeats Cheers wasn’t aware that the core cloud option $2.99 unlocked Zenbeats On all platforms. Once unlocked do you have to be online to I use Zenbeats as long as your subscription is active as use Zenbeats at Sea where internet is not always possible?

  • edited September 2020

    @krassmann said:

    @MAtrixplan said:
    the "core" plan is tempting. Is there full list of what it's included? On this page is a general comparison.

    Funny, I bought Core but now I'm on Ultimate. Probably just a time limited upgrade so you can check out everything. Anyway, but therefore ATM everything is unlocked for me in the Roland Cloud Manager. But as far as I can see what is available in Core is the Zenology synth and all its sound packs. A bit more details here:

    https://www.rolandcloud.com/roland-account/memberships/

    Zenology has very cool features and countless presets, but it's Windows or Mac only. On iOS in Zenbeats 2.0 there is ZC1 which seems to be a preset synth based on ZEN-Core - the synth engine of Zenology.

    https://www.roland.com/us/products/rc_zenbeats/

    ZC1 is a new plug-in synthesizer using Roland’s ZEN-Core Synthesis System. Available in Zenbeats as a free instrument, ZC1 has 60 presets and a sleek touch-based interface. Use the XY pad for Resonance and Cutoff or other parameters. Plus, unlock ZC1 to share sounds with ZENOLOGY and ZEN-Core-compatible hardware and get around 900 additional preset tones and 90 built-in MFX effects. These sounds cover a wide range from acoustic and electronic to ethnic instruments.

    Well, I noticed that ZC1 has got a function to import SVZ files. This might be for Zenology patches and this is probably the mentioned sound sharing with Zenology. I will check that out. If this is true that means that a Roland Cloud Core subscription would enable you to create patches on the desktop with Zenology and then use them on the iPad with ZC1.

    What is included in Lifetime keys??

    Lifetime keys just means that you can buy lifetime keys, but that's also a 'feature' of the free plan - basically it just means you must have a Roland Cloud account to buy a key.

    See my post regarding ways to get Zenbeats V2. In short, all paid Roland Cloud members get access to Zenbeats Ultimate for free. At the Pro subscription level, you also get Zenology Pro for Windows and Mac. With that you can make your own presets and share them with ZC1 since they have the same engine. The same goes for any ZEN-Core powered hardware like the Jupiter X. ZC1 has tone compatibility via sharing SVZ files.

  • @krassmann said:
    Well, I just purchased the Roland Cloud Core subscription for $29.99 per year and now I have Zenbeats 2 Ultimate on my iPad (previously v1 unlock) and on my Mac (previously locked). If you really work a lot with Zenbeats I think it's the much better option than buying the unlock as it delivers the same value as buying Zenbeats Ultimate for $150. I just discovered today that this subscription also contains Zenbeats Ultimate:

    https://www.roland.com/us/promos/about_roland_cloud/membership/

    I can't wait to finally be able to continue arrange my iPad tracks on the big screen of my Mac. I also just bought Studiomux and I'm so curious if I can get into a good workflow using the iPad synths on the Mac with Studiomux. Keep you posted.

    So far I'm really delighted with the update.

    hello,
    can you keep the ultimate unlocks / sounds / loops etc when subscription ends?

  • Unlocked v2. So far I’m liking it so much.

  • @tahiche said:
    Hi,
    I haven’t purchased v2 unlock yet. I asked if there was anything besides the ZC1 synth if you already owned V1 unlock. I’m guessing the synth is great, but...

    I seem to be the only one disappointed with Zenbeats 2. There’s improvements like:

    • plug-in windows: really useful, nice option.
    • Loop handlebars in midi and audio are better and the snap actually snaps, a lot easier to set loop points.
    • Improved and direct access to a number of functions: quantize (a must), automation, track and fix from editor window, etc...
    • The splash loading screen (yes!)

    To me that doesn’t qualify as a major upgrade. As I said I haven’t purchased ZC1 (v2 unlock). The only explanation I can think of for considering this a major upgrade is that ZC1 required a major rewrite of ZB under the hood to allocate it (I’m oblivious to zenology or what it means). From a ZB user standpoint it’s just an IAP synth.

    I find it sort of disappointing because there’s not much new besides the aforementioned which are basically UX improvements. Nothing to get excited about. Hardly any “yes, at last!”.

    What I certainly miss, these would have been some “yes!” moments for me.

    • audio editing (some at least).
    • choosing a track/send or internal output as an input for audio tracks (printing to audio)
    • Adding multiple files to SampleVerse: not recording, but existing files (alt method see point above). Crucial IMO.
    • Drag drop samples, loops from files app
    • being able to apply a track template to an existing audio track
    • Being able to merge midi and audio to a new file/seq

    Am I the ZB grinch?. I guess I just don’t get it. Please prove me wrong

    Cheers!

    Hi @tahiche

    Thanks for the feedback and I get that not everyone values the same things equally. If ZC1 and its content and features are not valuable enough to you, that's totally fine. Your V1 license will enable you to keep using all the same features you currently have.

    Here are some things to consider.
    1. Bringing the ZEN-Core Synthesis system (same engine used in the MC-101/707, Jupiter X and Fantom, etc) to mobile was a huge undertaking! We would have loved to bring more for the initial 2.0 launch, but this feature alone is a crucial step in Zenbeats future.

    With that said....

    1. We're not done with adding features for V2. Like V1, we will continue to add more features throughout the V2 life cycle. If it is not worth it for you today, check back later. I think you'll like what you see. :-)
  • @eineruntervielen said:

    @krassmann said:
    Well, I just purchased the Roland Cloud Core subscription for $29.99 per year and now I have Zenbeats 2 Ultimate on my iPad (previously v1 unlock) and on my Mac (previously locked). If you really work a lot with Zenbeats I think it's the much better option than buying the unlock as it delivers the same value as buying Zenbeats Ultimate for $150. I just discovered today that this subscription also contains Zenbeats Ultimate:

    https://www.roland.com/us/promos/about_roland_cloud/membership/

    I can't wait to finally be able to continue arrange my iPad tracks on the big screen of my Mac. I also just bought Studiomux and I'm so curious if I can get into a good workflow using the iPad synths on the Mac with Studiomux. Keep you posted.

    So far I'm really delighted with the update.

    hello,
    can you keep the ultimate unlocks / sounds / loops etc when subscription ends?

    No, when a subscription ends, the packs and features will be removed, unless you have bought them individually via the Zenbeats in-app store.

  • edited September 2020

    Hi @MatthewAtZenbeats, thanks for the reply!.

    1. Bringing the ZEN-Core Synthesis system (same engine used in the MC-101/707, Jupiter X and Fantom, etc) to mobile was a huge undertaking! We would have loved to bring more for the initial 2.0 launch, but this feature alone is a crucial step in Zenbeats future.

    I did mention this. That it could have taken a huge amount of work and rewriting under the hood. As you say, it’s probably a new foundation point to move forward, it’s just that it’s something that you don’t see when you open up the app. That’s why I was a bit disappointed. I don’t much about Zen-core or what it implies, i guess I’ll get the v2 unlock and figure it out!.

    1. We're not done with adding features for V2. Like V1, we will continue to add more features throughout the V2 life cycle. If it is not worth it for you today, check back later. I think you'll like what you see. :-)

    You got my list!! 😜

    Keep up the amazing work and thanks for dropping by and listening!

  • @MatthewAtZenbeats nice update, however I would like to see some work done to the mixer, the mixer faders is to small for finer adjustments, needs to be longer.

  • OH - they didn’t do any work on the mixer? If the faders were full screen I jump right in😀

  • edited September 2020

    The mixer can go full screen but the faders and meters are to small

  • @djjuniorpops said:
    @MatthewAtZenbeats nice update, however I would like to see some work done to the mixer, the mixer faders is to small for finer adjustments, needs to be longer.

    @NTKK said:
    OH - they didn’t do any work on the mixer? If the faders were full screen I jump right in😀

    Noted on the request. One thing to note with the faders, we did adjust the drag rate allowing you to make really fine adjustments the slower you drag.

  • It's funny how strongly the visuals impact perception. You could have taller faders with the same drag length and people would now think they're high precision. Or you can have small faders and have the drag length be full screen height and people would still think they're imprecise.

    It's also interesting how a knob with vertical drag, which is no different movement-wise than a fader with vertical drag, gives such a different impression.

  • @wim said:
    It's funny how strongly the visuals impact perception. You could have taller faders with the same drag length and people would now think they're high precision. Or you can have small faders and have the drag length be full screen height and people would still think they're imprecise.

    It's also interesting how a knob with vertical drag, which is no different movement-wise than a fader with vertical drag, gives such a different impression.

    Totally!. Hadn’t thought about this one, “Drag length”. I guess it’s because we’re made for “real life” and the closest to “drag length” concept in real life that I can think of is a pulley.
    Here’s an idea to overcome this... you can have a tiny slider (or no slider for that matter, just the value) but while you’re pressing, changing the value as you slide your finger over the screen, a level bar is displayed. That is, displayed off limits, but fades out when you let go. Like you see the rope on the pulley.

  • @MatthewAtZenbeats thanks for pointing that out, I didn’t realize it, but the mixer needs work.

  • wimwim
    edited September 2020

    Does anyone know how much additional storage space that the V2 unlock adds? It says 1.5 GB of loops and sounds, but the download size is 307 MB. I def. don't want to add 1.5 more GB of storage to Zenbeats on my iPhone. The iPad is OK, but I limit the packs I download on the phone as Zenbeats is already the biggest storage user on the phone and I'm short of space.

    I figure it'll unlock on the iPhone too if I purchase it on the iPad, so ... trying to figure out what the impact would be on my poor stuffed to the gills phone.

  • @djjuniorpops said:
    @MatthewAtZenbeats thanks for pointing that out, I didn’t realize it, but the mixer needs work.

    The Button Height setting affects fader size somewhat. Faders are smaller with lower settings.

  • Few questions I haven't been able to answer since I couldn't find a written manual:

    1. Does Zenbeats allow you to freeze a track, converting MIDI into audio?
    2. Does Zenbeats support external MIDI synths? Where it sends MIDI out and takes audio in over an audio interface?
  • wimwim
    edited September 2020

    @MatthewAtZenbeats - I can't see that the throw length is any larger than the displayed fader length, yet you say you increased it? Was it less than the display length before??

    or ... is that enhancement part of the V2 unlock maybe? (I don't have that yet.)

    There's no reason why the throw length needs to be limited to the display size. You can make it the whole screen height if you want.

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