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  • Another app I just found whilst searching around this subject, is Progressions by 4Pockets.
    https://apps.apple.com/gb/app/progressions/id1634378516

    @Gavinski and @HotStrange do you have any experience with Progressions?

    Or anyone else reading this?

  • @andowrites said:

    @Gavinski said:
    https://apps.apple.com/app/suggester-chords-and-scales/id504740787

    Free, with a 17 bucks iap to unlock all features. I like to use it to drag chords (yes it supports drag and drop, slideover etc) into Tonality app's chord pads module. Tonality is another very useful app.

    BTW... My solution to not having apps on my phone (it's Android) is a very simple one - I usually bring my ipad out with me, along with a portable charger. Works for me, despite using the 12.9 inch one.

    Exploring it now.

    And yes, I know that you're predominantly iPad. Whereas I am predominantly iPhone and laptop. My iPad is used on my desk, alongside my laptop, and I take it out with me when I head to the coast and make music in the back of the car/van whilst my partner runs the coast path and surfs. My phone is always with me, and is one of my most essential music making tools.

    Fair enough!

    @HotStrange I can't remember what you get in the free version, sorry bro!

  • @Gavinski said:

    @andowrites said:

    @Gavinski said:
    https://apps.apple.com/app/suggester-chords-and-scales/id504740787

    Free, with a 17 bucks iap to unlock all features. I like to use it to drag chords (yes it supports drag and drop, slideover etc) into Tonality app's chord pads module. Tonality is another very useful app.

    BTW... My solution to not having apps on my phone (it's Android) is a very simple one - I usually bring my ipad out with me, along with a portable charger. Works for me, despite using the 12.9 inch one.

    Exploring it now.

    And yes, I know that you're predominantly iPad. Whereas I am predominantly iPhone and laptop. My iPad is used on my desk, alongside my laptop, and I take it out with me when I head to the coast and make music in the back of the car/van whilst my partner runs the coast path and surfs. My phone is always with me, and is one of my most essential music making tools.

    Fair enough!

    @HotStrange I can't remember what you get in the free version, sorry bro!

    :)

  • @Gavinski said:

    @andowrites said:

    @Gavinski said:
    https://apps.apple.com/app/suggester-chords-and-scales/id504740787

    Free, with a 17 bucks iap to unlock all features. I like to use it to drag chords (yes it supports drag and drop, slideover etc) into Tonality app's chord pads module. Tonality is another very useful app.

    BTW... My solution to not having apps on my phone (it's Android) is a very simple one - I usually bring my ipad out with me, along with a portable charger. Works for me, despite using the 12.9 inch one.

    Exploring it now.

    And yes, I know that you're predominantly iPad. Whereas I am predominantly iPhone and laptop. My iPad is used on my desk, alongside my laptop, and I take it out with me when I head to the coast and make music in the back of the car/van whilst my partner runs the coast path and surfs. My phone is always with me, and is one of my most essential music making tools.

    Fair enough!

    @HotStrange I can't remember what you get in the free version, sorry bro!

    No problem! Any other apps that do drag and drop like this? Honestly might be enough to make me get the full version. Making a custom pad in Tonality is not very quick so this would be cool.

  • @andowrites said:
    Another app I just found whilst searching around this subject, is Progressions by 4Pockets.
    https://apps.apple.com/gb/app/progressions/id1634378516

    @Gavinski and @HotStrange do you have any experience with Progressions?

    Or anyone else reading this?

    Unfortunately not but I have been curious about it as well. I’ve heard good things though! I will say all the apps I have from Paul are fantastic. And I own about half of them.

  • I’ve been diving back into Tunemaker tonight and I gotta say, it is a pretty cool app, but I had a couple of issues with getting the AUs to save within the app and play when I open a project back up. Not for every app though, so it may not be a problem with Tunemaker itself and instead with the other apps I was using. Regardless, it’s pretty fun for getting quick ideas out.

  • @HotStrange said:
    I’ve been diving back into Tunemaker tonight and I gotta say, it is a pretty cool app, but I had a couple of issues with getting the AUs to save within the app and play when I open a project back up. Not for every app though, so it may not be a problem with Tunemaker itself and instead with the other apps I was using. Regardless, it’s pretty fun for getting quick ideas out.

    Thanks for your comments here about all these apps, @HotStrange, I wish I could try and compare all of these apps. But instead, I must listen to videos, ask for feedback, cross my fingers and hope for the best. It sounds like I could benefit from maybe two of these apps. But I'll start with one, once I make up my mind.

  • @HotStrange said:

    @Gavinski said:

    @andowrites said:

    @Gavinski said:
    https://apps.apple.com/app/suggester-chords-and-scales/id504740787

    Free, with a 17 bucks iap to unlock all features. I like to use it to drag chords (yes it supports drag and drop, slideover etc) into Tonality app's chord pads module. Tonality is another very useful app.

    BTW... My solution to not having apps on my phone (it's Android) is a very simple one - I usually bring my ipad out with me, along with a portable charger. Works for me, despite using the 12.9 inch one.

    Exploring it now.

    And yes, I know that you're predominantly iPad. Whereas I am predominantly iPhone and laptop. My iPad is used on my desk, alongside my laptop, and I take it out with me when I head to the coast and make music in the back of the car/van whilst my partner runs the coast path and surfs. My phone is always with me, and is one of my most essential music making tools.

    Fair enough!

    @HotStrange I can't remember what you get in the free version, sorry bro!

    No problem! Any other apps that do drag and drop like this? Honestly might be enough to make me get the full version. Making a custom pad in Tonality is not very quick so this would be cool.

    I think I remember that Scaler 2 does but someone else would need to confirm that.

    @andowrites I'm a big fan of progressions. I don't think it has that drag and drop feature which is a bit of a pity because I'd far rather use Tonality to manually strum chords than use the strumming function in Progressions. I also don't like certain aspects of the UI, which unfortunately is nearly always the case for me with 4 Pockets apps. But for generating very very interesting chord progressions it is fantastic and I highly recommend it.

  • @Gavinski said:

    @HotStrange said:

    @Gavinski said:

    @andowrites said:

    @Gavinski said:
    https://apps.apple.com/app/suggester-chords-and-scales/id504740787

    Free, with a 17 bucks iap to unlock all features. I like to use it to drag chords (yes it supports drag and drop, slideover etc) into Tonality app's chord pads module. Tonality is another very useful app.

    BTW... My solution to not having apps on my phone (it's Android) is a very simple one - I usually bring my ipad out with me, along with a portable charger. Works for me, despite using the 12.9 inch one.

    Exploring it now.

    And yes, I know that you're predominantly iPad. Whereas I am predominantly iPhone and laptop. My iPad is used on my desk, alongside my laptop, and I take it out with me when I head to the coast and make music in the back of the car/van whilst my partner runs the coast path and surfs. My phone is always with me, and is one of my most essential music making tools.

    Fair enough!

    @HotStrange I can't remember what you get in the free version, sorry bro!

    No problem! Any other apps that do drag and drop like this? Honestly might be enough to make me get the full version. Making a custom pad in Tonality is not very quick so this would be cool.

    I think I remember that Scaler 2 does but someone else would need to confirm that.

    @andowrites I'm a big fan of progressions. I don't think it has that drag and drop feature which is a bit of a pity because I'd far rather use Tonality to manually strum chords than use the strumming function in Progressions. I also don't like certain aspects of the UI, which unfortunately is nearly always the case for me with 4 Pockets apps. But for generating very very interesting chord progressions it is fantastic and I highly recommend it.

    I know what you mean about Progressions, and 4Pockets apps. I'm not sure if I've bought a single one. Mostly because the app interface, and even the icon design, just doesn't click with me. An app has to have some appeal for us to buy into it.

  • @andowrites said:

    @Gavinski said:

    @HotStrange said:

    @Gavinski said:

    @andowrites said:

    @Gavinski said:
    https://apps.apple.com/app/suggester-chords-and-scales/id504740787

    Free, with a 17 bucks iap to unlock all features. I like to use it to drag chords (yes it supports drag and drop, slideover etc) into Tonality app's chord pads module. Tonality is another very useful app.

    BTW... My solution to not having apps on my phone (it's Android) is a very simple one - I usually bring my ipad out with me, along with a portable charger. Works for me, despite using the 12.9 inch one.

    Exploring it now.

    And yes, I know that you're predominantly iPad. Whereas I am predominantly iPhone and laptop. My iPad is used on my desk, alongside my laptop, and I take it out with me when I head to the coast and make music in the back of the car/van whilst my partner runs the coast path and surfs. My phone is always with me, and is one of my most essential music making tools.

    Fair enough!

    @HotStrange I can't remember what you get in the free version, sorry bro!

    No problem! Any other apps that do drag and drop like this? Honestly might be enough to make me get the full version. Making a custom pad in Tonality is not very quick so this would be cool.

    I think I remember that Scaler 2 does but someone else would need to confirm that.

    @andowrites I'm a big fan of progressions. I don't think it has that drag and drop feature which is a bit of a pity because I'd far rather use Tonality to manually strum chords than use the strumming function in Progressions. I also don't like certain aspects of the UI, which unfortunately is nearly always the case for me with 4 Pockets apps. But for generating very very interesting chord progressions it is fantastic and I highly recommend it.

    I know what you mean about Progressions, and 4Pockets apps. I'm not sure if I've bought a single one. Mostly because the app interface, and even the icon design, just doesn't click with me. An app has to have some appeal for us to buy into it.

    Yes, I care A LOT about the visual appeal of an app {of course this is just as subjective really as any aesthetic judgement, and conditioned by various environmental factors) as well as how efficient the workflow in it is. On both these counts I sometimes feel let down by 4P apps. Still, some of them are very unique in our space in what they do - Progressions for example is a lot more likely to produce unexpected but interesting chords than Scaler or probably any other chord-producing app, it's really offering something a lot more outside the box.

  • @Gavinski said:

    @andowrites said:

    @Gavinski said:

    @HotStrange said:

    @Gavinski said:

    @andowrites said:

    @Gavinski said:
    https://apps.apple.com/app/suggester-chords-and-scales/id504740787

    Free, with a 17 bucks iap to unlock all features. I like to use it to drag chords (yes it supports drag and drop, slideover etc) into Tonality app's chord pads module. Tonality is another very useful app.

    BTW... My solution to not having apps on my phone (it's Android) is a very simple one - I usually bring my ipad out with me, along with a portable charger. Works for me, despite using the 12.9 inch one.

    Exploring it now.

    And yes, I know that you're predominantly iPad. Whereas I am predominantly iPhone and laptop. My iPad is used on my desk, alongside my laptop, and I take it out with me when I head to the coast and make music in the back of the car/van whilst my partner runs the coast path and surfs. My phone is always with me, and is one of my most essential music making tools.

    Fair enough!

    @HotStrange I can't remember what you get in the free version, sorry bro!

    No problem! Any other apps that do drag and drop like this? Honestly might be enough to make me get the full version. Making a custom pad in Tonality is not very quick so this would be cool.

    I think I remember that Scaler 2 does but someone else would need to confirm that.

    @andowrites I'm a big fan of progressions. I don't think it has that drag and drop feature which is a bit of a pity because I'd far rather use Tonality to manually strum chords than use the strumming function in Progressions. I also don't like certain aspects of the UI, which unfortunately is nearly always the case for me with 4 Pockets apps. But for generating very very interesting chord progressions it is fantastic and I highly recommend it.

    I know what you mean about Progressions, and 4Pockets apps. I'm not sure if I've bought a single one. Mostly because the app interface, and even the icon design, just doesn't click with me. An app has to have some appeal for us to buy into it.

    Yes, I care A LOT about the visual appeal of an app {of course this is just as subjective really as any aesthetic judgement, and conditioned by various environmental factors) as well as how efficient the workflow in it is. On both these counts I sometimes feel let down by 4P apps. Still, some of them are very unique in our space in what they do - Progressions for example is a lot more likely to produce unexpected but interesting chords than Scaler or probably any other chord-producing app, it's really offering something a lot more outside the box.

    Thanks Gav, I'll share here when I finally choose the app, or perhaps a pair of apps, for this purpose. Nothing is grabbing me as head and shoulders above the others right now.

  • I wish this had Ableton Link..

  • @andowrites said:

    @HotStrange said:
    I’ve been diving back into Tunemaker tonight and I gotta say, it is a pretty cool app, but I had a couple of issues with getting the AUs to save within the app and play when I open a project back up. Not for every app though, so it may not be a problem with Tunemaker itself and instead with the other apps I was using. Regardless, it’s pretty fun for getting quick ideas out.

    Thanks for your comments here about all these apps, @HotStrange, I wish I could try and compare all of these apps. But instead, I must listen to videos, ask for feedback, cross my fingers and hope for the best. It sounds like I could benefit from maybe two of these apps. But I'll start with one, once I make up my mind.

    No problem, I’m happy to help! Also just a heads up if you don’t she Scaler, the free version still allows you to load it as an AU and sequence other apps with a chord progression that you choose, or it chooses for you. So there’s still a little bit of a use case for the free one

  • @Gavinski said:

    @HotStrange said:

    @Gavinski said:

    @andowrites said:

    @Gavinski said:
    https://apps.apple.com/app/suggester-chords-and-scales/id504740787

    Free, with a 17 bucks iap to unlock all features. I like to use it to drag chords (yes it supports drag and drop, slideover etc) into Tonality app's chord pads module. Tonality is another very useful app.

    BTW... My solution to not having apps on my phone (it's Android) is a very simple one - I usually bring my ipad out with me, along with a portable charger. Works for me, despite using the 12.9 inch one.

    Exploring it now.

    And yes, I know that you're predominantly iPad. Whereas I am predominantly iPhone and laptop. My iPad is used on my desk, alongside my laptop, and I take it out with me when I head to the coast and make music in the back of the car/van whilst my partner runs the coast path and surfs. My phone is always with me, and is one of my most essential music making tools.

    Fair enough!

    @HotStrange I can't remember what you get in the free version, sorry bro!

    No problem! Any other apps that do drag and drop like this? Honestly might be enough to make me get the full version. Making a custom pad in Tonality is not very quick so this would be cool.

    I think I remember that Scaler 2 does but someone else would need to confirm that.

    @andowrites I'm a big fan of progressions. I don't think it has that drag and drop feature which is a bit of a pity because I'd far rather use Tonality to manually strum chords than use the strumming function in Progressions. I also don't like certain aspects of the UI, which unfortunately is nearly always the case for me with 4 Pockets apps. But for generating very very interesting chord progressions it is fantastic and I highly recommend it.

    I have the lite version of Scaler and love it. Definitely wanna buy the IAP soon.

  • edited March 2023

    @Gavinski said:

    @andowrites said:

    @Gavinski said:

    @HotStrange said:

    @Gavinski said:

    @andowrites said:

    @Gavinski said:
    https://apps.apple.com/app/suggester-chords-and-scales/id504740787

    Free, with a 17 bucks iap to unlock all features. I like to use it to drag chords (yes it supports drag and drop, slideover etc) into Tonality app's chord pads module. Tonality is another very useful app.

    BTW... My solution to not having apps on my phone (it's Android) is a very simple one - I usually bring my ipad out with me, along with a portable charger. Works for me, despite using the 12.9 inch one.

    Exploring it now.

    And yes, I know that you're predominantly iPad. Whereas I am predominantly iPhone and laptop. My iPad is used on my desk, alongside my laptop, and I take it out with me when I head to the coast and make music in the back of the car/van whilst my partner runs the coast path and surfs. My phone is always with me, and is one of my most essential music making tools.

    Fair enough!

    @HotStrange I can't remember what you get in the free version, sorry bro!

    No problem! Any other apps that do drag and drop like this? Honestly might be enough to make me get the full version. Making a custom pad in Tonality is not very quick so this would be cool.

    I think I remember that Scaler 2 does but someone else would need to confirm that.

    @andowrites I'm a big fan of progressions. I don't think it has that drag and drop feature which is a bit of a pity because I'd far rather use Tonality to manually strum chords than use the strumming function in Progressions. I also don't like certain aspects of the UI, which unfortunately is nearly always the case for me with 4 Pockets apps. But for generating very very interesting chord progressions it is fantastic and I highly recommend it.

    I know what you mean about Progressions, and 4Pockets apps. I'm not sure if I've bought a single one. Mostly because the app interface, and even the icon design, just doesn't click with me. An app has to have some appeal for us to buy into it.

    Yes, I care A LOT about the visual appeal of an app {of course this is just as subjective really as any aesthetic judgement, and conditioned by various environmental factors) as well as how efficient the workflow in it is. On both these counts I sometimes feel let down by 4P apps. Still, some of them are very unique in our space in what they do - Progressions for example is a lot more likely to produce unexpected but interesting chords than Scaler or probably any other chord-producing app, it's really offering something a lot more outside the box.

    For anyone interested in 4Pockets Progressions, it just went on sale. Down to £6.99 in the UK, and I believe $6.99 in the US. Maybe a good time to check it out. It certainly has some great reviews in the app store.

  • edited February 12

    I picked up Tune Maker this weekend to explore some music theory and concepts with my kids, but it's stuck on the initial file manager screen. It won't create a new file, no matter the folder (On My Phone, iCloud Drive, Dropbox...), so the actual app interface never loads.

    I've tried it on several devices without success (iPad Pro, iPhone SE 3).

    I already had ChordFlow by the same developer, @Dmitry_Klochkov, so I didn't hesitate too much when deciding to purchase it.

    However, I later found out that the app hasn't been updated in almost four years (the latest version, 1.4.3, was released on March 3, 2020).

    Both the app's website and the developer's website have disappeared. He appears to still be active on GitHub, though.

    Before I consider asking for a refund, would anyone be willing to share a file from the Tune Maker app? I'd like to manually import it to my file system to see if the app works when opening an existing file. 🙏

    Thanks!

  • @janogarcia did you manage to get it working?

    Been curious to try the app as it has some quite unique features, but also never went for it because of lack of updates and support

  • @vdk_john Unfortunately, I still haven't managed to get it working. I wanted to test it on an older device on a compatible iOS version, but that device now seems to be dead (iPhone SE 1st Gen.).

    At this point, getting a Tune Maker example file from someone else on the community and importing it to iCloud could be the only way to make it work, but I'd need first someone to donate that example file. 📄🔮

  • @janogarcia said:
    @vdk_john Unfortunately, I still haven't managed to get it working. I wanted to test it on an older device on a compatible iOS version, but that device now seems to be dead (iPhone SE 1st Gen.).

    I just redownloaded it (after once giving it a great App Store review, then completely forgetting about it), and am sharing your experience. It won’t create a new document (SE2, iOS 17.4), which is a bit of a shame. Just checked and it’s not working on my iPad either.

  • @ahallam Argh. Do you happen to keep any Tune Maker file backed up somewhere? Do you know by any chance what's the file extension used for Tune Maker files?

    I guess you redownloaded the app fresh after having deleted it instead of just offloading it, otherwise you'd potentially have some files to play with.

  • @janogarcia I looked into it, and had the same issue as you. It was stuck on the Documents screen after launch.
    I was able to get it to open on my old Air2, but I think you might need iCloud to be active, and an older version of iOS.

    Here are a couple of blank Tunemaker files. I suggest you go into iOS settings for Tunemaker and switch to local drive and not iCloud. Put these files in the Tunemaker local folder, and try to launch the app by tapping one of the blank files.

  • edited March 2

    @CracklePot Awesome, thanks so much for the sample files! It worked as expected on my iOS 17 devices when opening pre-existing files.

    I could open the .tunemaker files directly from the Downloads folder, and they also worked when copied to the Tune Maker iCloud folder. /cc @ahallam

    So, there seems to be no limitation in regards to where the files should live (Downloads folder, any other local files in your device, iCloud folder). The bug seems to only affect the creation of new files, but you can just duplicate an existing one in Files app to overcome that minor limitation.

    Thanks again for those "seed" files!

  • @janogarcia said:
    @CracklePot Awesome, thanks so much for the sample files! It worked as expected on my iOS 17 devices when opening pre-existing files.

    I could open the .tunemaker files directly from the Downloads folder, and they also worked when copied to the Tune Maker iCloud folder. /cc @ahallam

    So, there seems to be no limitation in regards to where the files should live (Downloads folder, any other local files in your device, iCloud folder). The bug seems to only affect the creation of new files, but you can just duplicate an existing one in Files app to overcome that minor limitation.

    Thanks again for those "seed" files!

    Glad it is working for you. Sorry it took so long for your remedy, but I just saw this thread today.
    As far as those suggestions about iCloud vs local, etc., I just provided the info on how my old Air2 is setup in case you still had issues. I had to generate the seed file on that old device, but TM works on my Air4 now using your seed file method. 👍

  • No worries about the time it took to test this out. The wait was totally worth it!

  • nice that there is at least a workaround, but would be amazing if at some point it received a minor update to address this :sweat_smile:

  • @vdk_john said:
    nice that there is at least a workaround, but would be amazing if at some point it received a minor update to address this :sweat_smile:

    Yeah it’s a shame. I only break this app out every few weeks but always have fun when I do. Sadly it seems abandoned now. At this rate it’s probably only a matter of time before something with no workaround breaks.

  • edited March 3

    Yeah, I'm not holding my breath waiting for an update or getting ongoing maintenance. It seems all the apps in the developer portfolio are now abandoned.

    The most recently updated app got its last update more than 3 years ago.
    https://apps.apple.com/us/developer/dmitrii-klochkov/id1058553902

    I hope everything is OK with @Dmitry_Klochkov.

  • If that’s the case hope he’ll at least add a disclaimer on the App Store that the apps are no longer being supported so people can spend their money accordingly

  • Saw this coming long ago. As I recall, he was really encouraged by the reception of Chord Flow and said he was going to go all in on app development. Red flag, right there. Then he put a lot of energy into Tune Maker, whose initial impact was more muted. Crickets since.

  • edited March 3

    @aaronpc said:
    Saw this coming long ago. As I recall, he was really encouraged by the reception of Chord Flow and said he was going to go all in on app development. Red flag, right there. Then he put a lot of energy into Tune Maker, whose initial impact was more muted. Crickets since.

    That’s a shame because it’s a cool app and it seems to have garnered somewhat of a cult following over the years and I see it popping up more and more. Maybe that’ll inspire them to come back? But if they’re burnt out, probably not. It just kinda irks me when a dev knows they’re abandoning the apps and have no intentions of updating them but still allow them to be sold with broken functionality. Not saying that happened here but it definitely does happen

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