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  • KorakiosKorakios

    @Gavinski said:

    @McD said:

    @Soundscaper said:

    @McD said:

    Be patient and dilligent McD...

    1 out of 2.

    I just got a Roli Rise 25 on ebay for $700 in Australian play money.

    That's about $500 for me in the USA.
    OK. Never mind.

    Phone too small and Roli out of reach.

    A Seaboard Block is about 200 dollars new I think, no? Not that expensive. But it's literally just two octaves. So you'd probably want two. Everyone says the Rise is a better bit of kit than the Block btw. But yeah, I think a phone is really small to do expressive playing on. Not saying it's not possible, but I wouldn't imagine it's anywhere near as enjoyable to use as an actual controller.

    It was at 300 ,then they bundled it with more sounds at 350 now (studio edition)

  • KorakiosKorakios

    @moForte is it possible to add a radius gesture to emulate pressure ?
    I'm aware that it's not going to be as expressive as 3d touch ,but with some tweaking on range and attack time it might be usefull

  • GavinskiGavinski

    Ah, I remembered wrongly, yeah, getting 2 of them doesn’t work out cheap.

    @Korakios said:

    @Gavinski said:

    @McD said:

    @Soundscaper said:

    @McD said:

    Be patient and dilligent McD...

    1 out of 2.

    I just got a Roli Rise 25 on ebay for $700 in Australian play money.

    That's about $500 for me in the USA.
    OK. Never mind.

    Phone too small and Roli out of reach.

    A Seaboard Block is about 200 dollars new I think, no? Not that expensive. But it's literally just two octaves. So you'd probably want two. Everyone says the Rise is a better bit of kit than the Block btw. But yeah, I think a phone is really small to do expressive playing on. Not saying it's not possible, but I wouldn't imagine it's anywhere near as enjoyable to use as an actual controller.

    It was at 300 ,then they bundled it with more sounds at 350 now (studio edition)

  • RajahPRajahP

    So when is this due... this week?

  • MasangaMasanga

    @DSCB57 said:
    I just wandered how well Midi Guitar 2 would work? Does it output sufficient midi control data to make it a good way to control the SWAM instruments? I suppose with the addition of an external breath controller you’d have a similar amount of control and flexibility using an iPad as you would on a PC or Mac, am I right? I can play keyboards, but I am primarily a guitarist, so this would be great if it worked well.

    Probably not – MG2 is a little miracle, but capturing expressive data is the thing it does least well, and MPE is a particular challenge for pitch-to-MIDI conversion. (The Jamstik Studio tries to do it, but the results are awful, at least in my hands.) It might not sound completely terrible, but you really want an MPE controller; the Artiphon Instrument 1 is a fantastic option here for guitarists, so long as you're happy playing it as a tap instrument (in effect, a Seaboard in the form of a guitar fingerboard).

  • MasangaMasanga

    @RajahP said:
    So when is this due... this week?

    Any day now. Keep refreshing!

  • DSCB57DSCB57

    @Masanga said:

    @DSCB57 said:
    I just wandered how well Midi Guitar 2 would work? Does it output sufficient midi control data to make it a good way to control the SWAM instruments? I suppose with the addition of an external breath controller you’d have a similar amount of control and flexibility using an iPad as you would on a PC or Mac, am I right? I can play keyboards, but I am primarily a guitarist, so this would be great if it worked well.

    Probably not – MG2 is a little miracle, but capturing expressive data is the thing it does least well, and MPE is a particular challenge for pitch-to-MIDI conversion. (The Jamstik Studio tries to do it, but the results are awful, at least in my hands.) It might not sound completely terrible, but you really want an MPE controller; the Artiphon Instrument 1 is a fantastic option here for guitarists, so long as you're happy playing it as a tap instrument (in effect, a Seaboard in the form of a guitar fingerboard).

    @Masanga said:

    @DSCB57 said:
    I just wandered how well Midi Guitar 2 would work? Does it output sufficient midi control data to make it a good way to control the SWAM instruments? I suppose with the addition of an external breath controller you’d have a similar amount of control and flexibility using an iPad as you would on a PC or Mac, am I right? I can play keyboards, but I am primarily a guitarist, so this would be great if it worked well.

    Probably not – MG2 is a little miracle, but capturing expressive data is the thing it does least well, and MPE is a particular challenge for pitch-to-MIDI conversion. (The Jamstik Studio tries to do it, but the results are awful, at least in my hands.) It might not sound completely terrible, but you really want an MPE controller; the Artiphon Instrument 1 is a fantastic option here for guitarists, so long as you're happy playing it as a tap instrument (in effect, a Seaboard in the form of a guitar fingerboard).

    Thanks Masanga. Well the optimum would probably have been the Synthaxe, but that was never an option for me. But I will look into the Artiphon, which I had never heard of before your post.
    I wonder how the VG-99 would work as a midi controller? - It’s one of the few devices which provides an assignable ribbon controller, not to mentón the ability to just wave your hand over the sensor as a controller which is also assignable to pretty much anything. It’s a shame that it’s not as good a midi controller as it is a modeller, because it could have been far better.
    But if Roland were to now introduce something with those features, it wouldn’t even need the cumbersome GK pickup which I’ve never liked, since the technology has advanced so much since the year 2000.
    There are also a few add on instrument-mounted midi controllers which might be worthwhile having another look at.

  • moFortemoForte
    edited October 2020

    @Wrlds2ndBstGeoshredr said:
    India bros got early access? > @moForte said:

    @Krupa said:
    Will users who only have the basic ‘play’ version need to upgrade to use the swam gear, or will it be the same iaa deal as it is currently?

    GeoShred Play Users will be able to purchase Geo-SWAM instruments as IAPs. Each Geo-SWAM instrument comes with 10 presets. If you wish to create your own presets, use MIDI/MPE or the AUv3 Plugin you can also upgrade GeoShred Play to the functionality of GeoShred Pro.

    Will the feedback feature work for these SWAM instruments? For example, I really like the feedback on the factory Nasty Boy patch--can I get that on say a cello or oboe sound?

    The feedback feature is internal to the moForte Guitar model. It is an audio path from the output of the guitar back into the excitation of the model. Thus it is not in the Geo-SWAM models.

    You will however, be able to use the 22 effects that are in GeoShred to process the Geo-SWAM models. For an example, take a look at Gerald Peter's electric Violin performance at 1:29 of the video below.

    Thank you everyone for your patience. This year, and the work to bring this release into the world, has genuinely been our "Annus Mirabilis"

    -Pat
    Pat Scandalis, CEO/CTO moForte Inc.

  • Wrlds2ndBstGeoshredrWrlds2ndBstGeoshredr

    @moForte said:

    The feedback feature is internal to the moForte Guitar model. It is an audio path from the output of the guitar back into the excitation of the model. Thus it is not in the Geo-SWAM models.

    Understood; thanks for the explanation. That feedback model is superb. It's my favorite thing about Geoshred.

  • puppychumfulpuppychumful

    Hi guys,

    Would ya'll be kind to enough to sum up what Swam is, how it applies to Geoshred, what it has to do with Roli Noise, how best to purchase Swam, if Geoshred is better with Swam, where the hell the name Swam came from, etc?

  • Wrlds2ndBstGeoshredrWrlds2ndBstGeoshredr
    edited October 2020

    @puppychumful said:
    Hi guys,

    Would ya'll be kind to enough to sum up what Swam is, how it applies to Geoshred, what it has to do with Roli Noise, how best to purchase Swam, if Geoshred is better with Swam, where the hell the name Swam came from, etc?

    SWAM is a business that makes electronic instruments that sound like acoustic instruments. They go for realistic models of the original instruments. They are very expensive.

    If you buy the SWAM models in Roli Noise, you can't get the sound out except through the headphone jack/audio interface. They don't connect to AUM or Audiobus. Don't buy those; they sound very good but it's a bad buy due to the lack of connectivity.

    The Geoshred guy seems like a solid bro.

  • puppychumfulpuppychumful
    edited October 2020

    Why would Swam be any better than any other company making high quality samples?
    I can't figure out how to buy them, nor how to find them as IAP's in GeoShred, nor how well they integrate with Geoshred.
    Is Geoshred better with Swam, enough better to be worth the cost of these Swam IAP's?
    Where the hell did the name Swam come from?

  • GavinskiGavinski

    @puppychumful said:
    Why would Swam be any better than any other company making high quality samples?
    I can't figure out how to buy them, nor how to find them as IAP's in GeoShred, nor how well they integrate with Geoshred.
    Is Geoshred better with Swam, enough better to be worth the cost of these Swam IAP's?
    Where the hell did the name Swam come from?

    The' am' part refers to the name of the company, 'Audio Modeling', now sure about the 'sw'. I'm sure you'd find details on the audio modelling website.

    These are mpe. That's the huge benefit. They are extremely realistic and expressive sounding. Google mpe if necessary to find out more.
    You can't find the IAPs in GeoShred because the update is not out yet. Its coming soon.
    Geoshred is definitely better for having those sounds, if you are interested in very realistic sounds of real instruments like sax, flute, cello etc.
    They integrate well into geoshred with some caveats, regarding midi input for example. Go back and read the last few pages of this thread, you'll find more info there.

  • McDMcD
    edited October 2020

    Professor Scoopy to the rescue:

    https://audiomodeling.com/

    You may purchase all the SWAM instruments for desktop DAW's at $120 a pop.

    Who are they you ask? They say this ending with the definition of SWAM (Synchronous Waves Acoustic Modeling):

    Audio Modeling™ is a global leader in multi-vector expressive acoustic instrument emulation. After more than seven years of intense exploration and discovery, Stefano Lucato and Emanuele Parravicini founded the music and software company in 2017 through fruitful teamwork on multi-vector expressive acoustic instrument emulation. This focuses primarily on instruments such as woodwinds, brass, and strings: those that offer continuous input and control by the musician on several dimensions at the same time.

    Audio Modeling’s purpose and research aims at finding solutions to enable the user to overcome the inherent limitations of traditional samplers, in addition to developing technological solutions, especially in software, that actively support musicians, composers, and producers in delivering their artistic expression. With solutions such as Camelot Pro, our revolutionary multi-platform live performance tool, technology ceases to be a hindrance and becomes an ally.

    Although samplers have been the cornerstone of music created with virtual instruments for decades, the restraints of this technology are well-known. Samplers, while perfectly reproducing the timbre of the instrument and the original expression of the performer, do not allow the end-user to control successfully important parameters such as expression, dynamics, vibrato, portamento, various articulations, or any other typical characteristics of actual acoustic instruments in real-time: any attempts to do so inevitably introduce artifacts into the performance.

    Audio Modeling has overcome these constraints by developing sophisticated new technologies that we call SWAM (Synchronous Waves Acoustic Modeling), conceived by Stefano Lucato and developed by Stefano Lucato and Emanuele Parravicini.

    NOTE: I prefer Professor Statler (the short one):

  • [Deleted User][Deleted User]

    Note then that SWAM doesn’t use samples. Audio modeling, physical modeling.

  • GavinskiGavinski

    Yep, this is a huge advantage. The Swan sounds are really incredibly good.

  • RajahPRajahP

    @despego said:
    Note then that SWAM doesn’t use samples. Audio modeling, physical modeling.

    And as I can recall, it’s file size is significantly smaller than ‘samples’.. One can only imagine this as Auv3.

  • JumpercollinsJumpercollins
    edited October 2020

    Dr Mix went to Audio Modeling
    HQ last year and had some fun playing with their modelled instruments. Looking forward to these gems coming to iPadOS.

  • sclurbssclurbs

    So, I remember reading years ago that SWAM sounds are a hybrid of physical modeling and sampling. Combining the two so when the sample evolves from one sound to the next, physical modeling creates an organic transition. And yes, the files for SWAM programs are incredibly small compared to orchestral libraries. So small I thought I had downloaded the wrong thing. But according to @despego , there's no samples at all?

    Seems like he's talking about SWAM-S; https://audiomodeling.com/technology/swam-s/

    What I was thinking about was SWAM-W; https://audiomodeling.com/technology/swam-w/

  • [Deleted User][Deleted User]

    @sclurbs said:
    So, I remember reading years ago that SWAM sounds are a hybrid of physical modeling and sampling. Combining the two so when the sample evolves from one sound to the next, physical modeling creates an organic transition. And yes, the files for SWAM programs are incredibly small compared to orchestral libraries. So small I thought I had downloaded the wrong thing. But according to @despego , there's no samples at all?

    Seems like he's talking about SWAM-S; https://audiomodeling.com/technology/swam-s/

    What I was thinking about was SWAM-W; https://audiomodeling.com/technology/swam-w/

    I could be am wrong. What you're saying makes sense and you have the sources!

  • AileromAilerom
    edited October 2020

    Any idea what the IAP will cost? I need to buy Geoshred first as I only have the play edition.

  • AileromAilerom

    Is there anything to be lost by getting the upgrade from within the Play version? Apart from it still showing as the play version icon.

  • audiobussyaudiobussy
    edited October 2020

    @Ailerom said:
    Is there anything to be lost by getting the upgrade from within the Play version? Apart from it still showing as the play version icon.

    I would just worry that at a future date it wouldn’t get the same amount of attention as the bigger app

  • McDMcD

    @Ailerom said:
    Any idea what the IAP will cost? I need to buy Geoshred first as I only have the play edition.

    6 instruments for $15 each or an all 6 bundle for $75. There might be more later.

  • AileromAilerom

    @audiobussy said:

    @Ailerom said:
    Is there anything to be lost by getting the upgrade from within the Play version? Apart from it still showing as the play version icon.

    I would just worry that at a future date it wouldn’t get the same amount of attention as the bigger app

    Didn't think of that. Too late now I guess. No IAP refunds. Wish I just ponied up for the full version.

  • puppychumfulpuppychumful

    Hi McD,
    Excuse my ignorance but how do you know the pricing and availability and possible timeline of the upcoming IAP's?

  • GavinskiGavinski

    It was announced here by the devs some days ago @puppychumful

  • McDMcD

    @puppychumful said:
    Hi McD,
    Excuse my ignorance but how do you know the pricing and availability and possible timeline of the upcoming IAP's?

    The IAP's were exposed on the App Store last week and @moForte wrote in this thread
    that is was exposed early and we can only purchase when GeoShred 5 is available.
    I think Beta testing or App Store processing is still being worked through. They have the right to change pricing of course.

  • moFortemoForte

    @Ailerom said:
    Any idea what the IAP will cost? I need to buy Geoshred first as I only have the play edition.

    There are 6 instruments, GeoViolin, GeoFlute, GeoTenorSax, GeoCello, GeoClarinet, GeoOboe. They are each $14.99USD and there is a bundle of all six, $74.99USD. Note that the conversion of the price for different territories is not a straight currency conversion. In some territories GST or other charges are added. I believe that in some territories (UK) Apple sets the price to track USD.

  • moFortemoForte

    @Ailerom said:
    Is there anything to be lost by getting the upgrade from within the Play version? Apart from it still showing as the play version icon.

    GeoShred Play upgraded to the functionality of Pro is identical to Pro. Note that Apple does not allow developers to convert one app to another, but we can upgrade GeoShred Play to the full functionality of Pro. After the upgrade, the launch screen will display "+ Pro upgrade"

    Here is our FAQ about the upgrade: http://www.moforte.com/geoShredAssets5.0/help/FAQs/#proUpgrade

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