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Geoshred /Swam Collaborate - Just Wow! - IAP

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  • @sujoybose77 said:
    I meant the heavy breath on the attack.. I have sent you my email ID... Thanks for your help..

    Yes... I was bothered by the heavy handed attacks. So, I dug into the internal Instrument parameters and tweaked the EQ, added a Chorus Effect and made a Softer Flute preset.

    Check it out:
    https://www.dropbox.com/sh/4tq6sf6v534lq89/AACWaX3mCAF6Y8j9pnYd6BNva?dl=0

  • @McD said:

    @sujoybose77 said:
    I meant the heavy breath on the attack.. I have sent you my email ID... Thanks for your help..

    Yes... I was bothered by the heavy handed attacks. So, I dug into the internal Instrument parameters and tweaked the EQ, added a Chorus Effect and made a Softer Flute preset.

    Check it out:
    https://www.dropbox.com/sh/4tq6sf6v534lq89/AACWaX3mCAF6Y8j9pnYd6BNva?dl=0

    Yes thanks.. I got your preset and noticed that you tweaked the EQ... But this trick somehow takes the nice high EQ sound from the rest of the note also... So it sounds more "lowpass heavy" muffled flute rather than that crispy wind effect.
    Is there any ADSR envelop that I can apply (just a little bit) which can take away the initial attack without impacting the rest of the sound?

  • I got the Vidami video controller pedal on sale.

    It is proving to be a very useful tool for improving my playing on GeoShred, having gone the route of learning melodies by ear from videos.

    I figured being able to use a foot - instead of a finger on a mouse - to play, pause, and rewind Youtube videos and the like would make a difference but wow it's even more convenient than anticipated.

  • @sujoybose77 said:

    @McD said:

    @sujoybose77 said:
    I meant the heavy breath on the attack.. I have sent you my email ID... Thanks for your help..

    Yes... I was bothered by the heavy handed attacks. So, I dug into the internal Instrument parameters and tweaked the EQ, added a Chorus Effect and made a Softer Flute preset.

    Check it out:
    https://www.dropbox.com/sh/4tq6sf6v534lq89/AACWaX3mCAF6Y8j9pnYd6BNva?dl=0

    Yes thanks.. I got your preset and noticed that you tweaked the EQ... But this trick somehow takes the nice high EQ sound from the rest of the note also... So it sounds more "lowpass heavy" muffled flute rather than that crispy wind effect.
    Is there any ADSR envelop that I can apply (just a little bit) which can take away the initial attack without impacting the rest of the sound?

    You can insert a sonic swell effect, although it has some drawbacks. This will soften the (first) attack.
    By the way, I have spent hours tweaking my own presets and I can affirm that the best sound/control is reached by enabling the velocity override. As for a blown or a bowed instrument, the velocity is never determined by the fingers playing the notes (be it keys or frets). By assigning the velocity to the XY expression Pad, I get much better results.

  • @sujoybose77 said:
    Yes thanks.. I got your preset and noticed that you tweaked the EQ... But this trick somehow takes the nice high EQ sound from the rest of the note also... So it sounds more "lowpass heavy" muffled flute rather than that crispy wind effect.
    Is there any ADSR envelop that I can apply (just a little bit) which can take away the initial attack without impacting the rest of the sound?

    I don't see an Effect in GeoShred that controls an ADSR envelope. @Blue_Mangoo makes an AUv3 app called "Attack Softner" that just focuses on tuning the note attack.

    "Velvet Machine" also has some nice envelope controls that might be useful.

    I wonder if the swell effect in GeoShred might work for your needs as @Paulo164 mentions.

    I'd spend sometime seeing if you can tune up a better flute for your needs. I tuned this Preset for mine.

  • edited November 2020

    I still believe that overriding the velocity is the best, as you can get a soft attack with a bold expression at the same time.

  • Does anyone know how pitchbend messages might be sent into Geoshred?

    • I've got a mozaic script that's taking midiguitar input and distributing it across four instances of 'shred (about the limit for my ipad pro 9.7) and I think I've got velocity controlling the expression to some extent.
      But I can't for the life of me get pitchbend messages to be sent through the script; I've only tried using the SendMIDIPitchBend, so I'm not sure if it's done with some other bespoke method... similarly with expression, I think I'm missing a trick as I think there's more magic to be found with Aftertouch messages, but I'm just sending CC mapped to whatever setting I want to affect on the particular instrument that's loaded in 'shred...
  • @Krupa said:
    Does anyone know how pitchbend messages might be sent into Geoshred?

    Does the channel of your pitch bends match the channel of the notes to be impacted?
    Remember an MPE synth accepts channels 2-16 and ignores channel 1. When you play
    a chord on a Roli Seaboard the notes are split across 2-16 as needed and finger wiggles
    are aligned with the channel of the note to allow glides. MPE also converts the pitch bend defaults to +/- 2 octaves to allow portamento like gestures.

    There maybe more MPE mysteries you'll need to uncover in your work to master a script
    for an MPE target. Please share anything important for others to use in their programs.

  • @McD said:

    @Krupa said:
    Does anyone know how pitchbend messages might be sent into Geoshred?

    Does the channel of your pitch bends match the channel of the notes to be impacted?
    Remember an MPE synth accepts channels 2-16 and ignores channel 1. When you play
    a chord on a Roli Seaboard the notes are split across 2-16 as needed and finger wiggles
    are aligned with the channel of the note to allow glides. MPE also converts the pitch bend defaults to +/- 2 octaves to allow portamento like gestures.

    There maybe more MPE mysteries you'll need to uncover in your work to master a script
    for an MPE target. Please share anything important for others to use in their programs.

    I think so, though it might only be able to identify the last channel being addressed... I've skipped channel 1 as you say, and just stepped through channels 2-5 for any more notes that come in, but as midiguitar can't identify strings then I don't think there's any way to keep that aligned... might be time to step this over to a mozaic channel :)

    I will think and experiment more, and of course (over)share anything I find, both here and on patchstorage :D

    Ta McD!

  • McDMcD
    edited November 2020

    @Krupa

    Since the input controller is a "guitar" I'd expect when a bend happens there's only 1 (maybe 2) notes currently active. So, I'd send the bends on all channels and see how the 4 GeoSynths behave.

    If GeoSynth gets a bend and doesn't have an active note it will likely just discard the event.

    The worst case would be a lot of active notes that all bend in unison... like a whammy bar.

  • @McD said:
    @Krupa

    Since the input controller is a "guitar" I'd expect when a bend happens there's only 1 (maybe 2) notes currently active. So, I'd send the bends on all channels and see how the 4 GeoSynths behave.

    If GeoSynth gets a bend and doesn't have an active note it will likely just discard the event.

    The worst case would be a lot of active notes that all bend in unison... like a whammy bar.

    I have had it 'working' but given up for now as I can't make it work nicely... I have rolled it back a bit and uploaded a basic version here though

    https://patchstorage.com/gmg-chord/

    It only does the chording bit, I'll look into stabilising / smoothing pitchbend data as I think that might be the trouble, either that or look into mapping it into the whammy bar or some other global pitch control - also I think that a solo / mono version would be best with that, especially with sax / woodwinds :)

  • has anybody heard more about when brass in app purchases might happen?

  • @eross said:
    has anybody heard more about when brass in app purchases might happen?

    Are you certain “brass” is planned to be release as IAP inside GeoShred ?
    It will be released for sure as an Audio Modelling stand-alone app (due for November, as of now) but I haven’t heard anything regarding GeoShred.

  • edited November 2020

    Good point. Based on what I saw of the standalone app, it does not look as conducive to expression with one finger as GeoShred. You can only use the finger playing the note for one parameter (usually volume). I did not see either finger being used for vibrato or pitch bend. Right hand finger was used only to select pitch and control volume. Left hand finger only used to control LFO rate - vibrato appeared to be controlled by LFO instead of finger movement.

    On guitar, I can introduce vibrato by either bending string up/down (blues style) or by finger action in parallel with the string (classical guitar style). That's why GeoShred works so well for me as an interface.

  • The audio modeling apps are designed so that you can map the different parameters to any controller you want. They are not designed for GeoShred only, but GeoShred still works as a midi controller; so you will still be able to use it to control SWAM brass when it comes out. You will just have to set the parameters yourself.

  • @eross said:
    has anybody heard more about when brass in app purchases might happen?

    See this post:
    https://forum.audiob.us/discussion/comment/875550/#Comment_875550

  • I see the bundle IAP is on sale which is tempting . I'm concerned about performance , anyone with the Air2 model willing to try with 128 buffer setting (I doubt it can handle audio at 64 buffer)

  • Has anyone here go any idea how to buy the in app purchases? I've completed the purchase at least 3 times, keep getting the same, you already own this do you want to download bullshit. Then followed by Transaction failed please try again. Restarts and closing the app do nothing.

  • @Ailerom said:
    Has anyone here go any idea how to buy the in app purchases? I've completed the purchase at least 3 times, keep getting the same, you already own this do you want to download bullshit. Then followed by Transaction failed please try again. Restarts and closing the app do nothing.

    I had a similar experience and spent a few hours getting all 6 purchases to install. I contacted support@MoForte and got some advice.

    Insure you have available storage space. I had 20GB and the whole app with all instruments consumes 176.6 MB... This makes me think all the GeoShred instruments
    are "models" which explains why I didn't like the sounds until SWAM showed up.
    But storage spaces can get fragmented and make file allocations fail. We should Google
    a process to de-frag an iPad's storage if this is the issue.

    MoForte explained that their app requests IAP restores with one request and all of them
    are then downloaded. In my case, I kept re-installing the Tenor Sax and the Clarinet and Oboe would "fail".

    It's possible the Apple Store is the issue with a heavy storm of post holiday users stressing their services.

    But after a few hours of deleting GeoShred and re-installing and then using "restore purchases" many time and even trying a couple "re-purchases" which validates the Apple
    database and let's you opt to download something you own already.

    These instruments are worth the trouble but I did spent $90 for all 6 and I want to keep
    all 6 functioning or at least be able to re-install reliably and not have to wait hours to
    get my Oboe back.

    I think MoForte will continue to get support requests and improve the quality of the
    product overtime. Right now, I don't think they have been able to reproduce the problem
    you are seeing. They did ask me for iPad, OS version, etc so they are trying to understand the potential issues.

    I'd love to see MoForte continue to invest in creating or collaborating for more great modeled instruments. Modeled instruments are the future. They don't consume precious
    storage resources that we all hit with enough purchasing of the big sample products like:
    Colossus Piano (with 4-5 IAP's) 20+GB
    Korg's Module pro and Gadget 8GB
    StaffPad with several libraries 6GB
    Syntronik complete 6GB
    Pure Synth 6GB
    iSymphonic 6GB
    BeatHawk 5GB
    Auria Pro 4GB
    iCloud Drive 3GB for me.
    Cubasis 3 2GB
    SoundFonts 2GB
    Grand Piano 1.75GB

    GeoShred is 10% of the least of these. Hopefully, the money coming in from the GeoSWAM
    purchasing helps them continue to enhance the product and it's offerings. I'm growing to
    love the GUI and it's precise model and FX controls. But it took the SWAM models to make
    me want to spent a lot of time learning the complete product. A pseudo shredding guitar just isn't something I typically need. I want to write Star Wars like film music but without
    doing the real hard work... dream on, right?

  • GeoShred just got ‘bloated’ with JamTrax considerably increasing the apps storage needs.

    This is NOT cool, that crap should be optional download for those that want it.
    There is no way to remove them either...

  • @Samu said:
    GeoShred just got ‘bloated’ with JamTrax considerably increasing the apps storage needs.

    This is NOT cool, that crap should be optional download for those that want it.
    There is no way to remove them either...

    Aren't they just a few extra presets, and rather good sounding ones at that, or am I missing something more nefarious?

  • @charalew said:

    @Samu said:
    GeoShred just got ‘bloated’ with JamTrax considerably increasing the apps storage needs.

    This is NOT cool, that crap should be optional download for those that want it.
    There is no way to remove them either...

    Aren't they just a few extra presets, and rather good sounding ones at that, or am I missing something more nefarious?

    No, audio backing tracks... app size went from ~180MB to almost 1GB...

    This was the 'previous version'

    This is after update...

    So yeah, almost 1GB of useless crap that is used to demo the app by the 'wizard'.

    NOT COOL!

  • I do not like it when apps have content like this that cannot be optionally removed, hopefully this is just an oversight. One of the selling points of GeoShred in particular for me was that it did so much without the need for a large footprint of samples so this looks like a step in the wrong direction. I have only just upgraded from a 32gb iPad and this would have pushed my storage over the edge on that machine.

  • @MisplacedDevelopment said:
    I do not like it when apps have content like this that cannot be optionally removed, hopefully this is just an oversight. One of the selling points of GeoShred in particular for me was that it did so much without the need for a large footprint of samples so this looks like a step in the wrong direction. I have only just upgraded from a 32gb iPad and this would have pushed my storage over the edge on that machine.

    Yepp, that 'content' should be a 100% optional download, not showed up in our throats.

    Anyone who 'knows' the developer, please ask them kindly to remove the crap content that no one will ever use anyway.
    I don't give a flying f'k if it's endorsed by the dream theatre dude, it serves no purpose what so ever to improve the experience of the app!

    I'm currently on a 64GB device and have to watch the storage and if this 'trend' with pushing un-asked content to fill up storage continues during 2021 it's bye bye to apps from those developers and support for their apps.
    Don't care how 'respected' the developers are, it's just rude egoistic behavior...

    So, I might have woken up on the wrong foot today but that's the way it is :)

  • Yeah that seems pretty daft, I’m not even sure what they are but I’m not updating (until I forget and hit ‘update all’)

  • I don’t understand why five presets made the size go up exponentially

  • Yes, this is a very bad move. Does it help with the performances ? Is it more CPU friendly ? If not, then rollback !!

  • i'm sure these JamTrax are meant as a gift,
    but for those of us running a tight ship, the option to offload would be much appreciated :)

  • New update fixed app size.

    AND AGAIN SET BACKGROUND AUDIO TO ON! :s
    so watch out

  • edited January 2021

    Can’t decide and hoping for a little input...thanks in advance...

    1. Should I get the pro IAP upgrade in Geoshred Play for $14.99 or buy G Pro for $25?
    2. How big is each swam instrument approximately? In terms of storage needed.
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