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My understanding is that the artiphon is not actually MPE. It can be used similarly with mono patches (like SWAM), but not polyphonic. Is this correct? That is my main hesitation with Artiphon. I already have to do a lot of “work arounds” with iOS in general, I’m hesitant to buy a controller that could potentially be similar in that regard.
@FriedTapeworm said:
No, it's fully polyphonic and fully implements the MPE standard. There are guitar-like and slide/bowed playing modes that for obvious reasons limit themselves to one note per "string", but in the tap mode (which is the main way to play it) you can do anything you like, including keyboard voicings with eg root and seventh on the same string, or eight-note chords played with two hands. Their Orba controller works differently, with a mixture of monophonic and polyphonic voices (such as the bass and chord track respectively), but that's a different animal and not really for playing tunes outside of beatmaking and jams.
There is a new MPE controller/instrument coming up, called Erae Touch... Check this forum - https://forum.audiob.us/discussion/43290/erae-touch-forum
This is much cheaper than Linnstrument and also more customizable.. I am hoping this would be sensitive enough to play SWAM instruments more expressively.... I have pre-ordered it.. Will let the group know once I play SWAM instrument on this...
It sounds like you could be interested in the upcoming Erae Touch. It’s a Kickstarter project that is apparently near production. https://www.embodme.com/
Regarding Sensel Morph, quite a few people have made grid style overlays with tunings like the Linnstrument. Check their forums, I think you can download sample templates. Small size is an issue, as are some limitations of the Morph’s sensing and software. You can get something that kind of works, I’m sure, but not as polished or optimized for playing as something like the Linnstrument. Definitely cheaper than a Linnstrument, though.
Regarding the Linnstrument, I think your conjecture may have already been tested. With Linnstrument the 128 pad version (“Linnstrument 128”) was introduced as the smaller, more portable, less expensive version ($999 vs $1499) of the original 200 pad Linnstrument. The original continues to outsell the smaller one, I believe at a rate of 2 to 1.
Neither is cheap. But if you’re getting something like this many people will prefer the version that is optimized for playing it like an actual instrument, without concessions made for portability. I’m thinking of getting one, and if I did it would be the larger one. I think the smaller 128 pad version is probably a good choice if you’re not planning on doing a lot of two-handed playing. But for two handed playing I’m pretty sure the 200 pad version is much preferable. (In some ways possibly similar to the way a pianist much prefers a 61 key keyboard to a 49, those note ranges are pretty close to the ranges of the two Linnstruments.)
Sounds like great advice. I did see someone doing really nice 2-handed jazz piano on a Linnstrument, a small one, but it looked pretty cramped.
This isn’t the equivalent of a Sensel made overlay, and you’re gonna miss out on the tactile touch, but it can it least help simulate it for Morph users:
https://shrtm.nu/vf9y
Thanks bro, yes I saw that some users had made these, and some then get some laser etching on the silicon to get that tactile element. Have you tried this?
Linnstrument is 1,500 and is just a midi controller. Osmose is 1,800 and has one of the most advanced expressive synths ever created built into it, so you'll never spend 1 second fiddling with getting MPE set up on external synths. As a Linnstrument owner, I can't see myself justifying owning one for much longer.
Yes, it is a lot of money for just a midi controller, I totally agree. There's really a gap in the market for a good, cheap but well built mpe controller that doesn't have problems with stuck notes, has Bluetooth, replaceable batteries, is big enough to allow for two handed play, etc. At this point I am wondering if we will ever get it...
Osmose E, though, has a traditional keyboard layout. What draws a lot of people to the Linnstrument is the fourths tunings.
No I haven’t but I’ve heard of people doing scoring with cricket machines etc. Honestly tho, it would be nice if someone (Sensel maybe) would let us pay a premium for ‘one offs’ for say maybe twice the price of a regular overlay so we can get that great tactile experience. I had designed a bunch of overlays but it just isn’t the same without the feel. @3sleeves posted in another thread about some of his journeys with the morph and custom overlay experimentation. Maybe he can chime in if he’s not too busy.
Here’s the thread: https://shrtm.nu/0yQ8
Great observation. I’m starting to sense that MPE (controllers/compatible daws/apps etc) are almost like 3D movies. It’s great where and when it’s great (such as swam etc) but I’m thinking widespread adoption might not come in the nearest future, Unfortunately.
History is full of great ideas that didn't take off, and times when inferior formats became the standard (betamax vs VHS for example). But also, software and hardware developers need to do this thing right, otherwise consumers lose confidence.
Yes, non-piano-keyboard and the idea that you're individually modifying each note in three different dimensions (pressure, right/left, up/down) with your finger directly on the pad. I play piano already and want to explore a different paradigm. It's much more elegant to do those on a per note basis directly on the pads. Maybe the Osmose feels good, to me the keys raise concern regarding durability. I already worry enough and hear plenty of stories regarding issues with the relatively simple hammer-action in my digital piano. I'd feel better if they'd been around a while with a proven record and many satisfied customers. Not sure what status of that is, actually. But Osmose does look interesting.
With Linnstrument there are other pluses, like you can switch to tunings different from the standard fourths, and the firmware is open source. And in comparison to the Osmose, I'd also say "no moving parts" seems like a plus in favor of Linnstrument.
Yeah, I assume as time goes on there will be enough of a market that technological advances and economies of scale will make this kind of thing available more cheaply. As it is right now, the Linnstrument 128 weighs four pounds, is bus-powered, can run from a charger with a UD-BT01 bluetooth module, so gets you pretty close, albeit at slightly over $1k with charger and bluetooth. Not cheap, but even functionality/polish aside it appears to be much more of premium item than something like Sensel Morph. I don't think Roger Linn is getting rich off it, either.
There's also just something about a nice piece of hardware. For example, look at the idea of a hardware synth versus a virtual synth. Soundwise, I'm pretty sure I'm not picky enough to care about whether the sound I hear is from a genuine Moog hardware synth, or the Model D iOS app. You get the Model D app for $30, while a roughly equivalent hardware Moog synth would be $1k+. I understand why people want the hardware. Regarding something like Linnstrument, $1k seems like a reasonable price for a nice piece of hardware that will be heavily used.
Yeah I don't think he's getting rich off them either, and I'm not saying that it is overpriced either. Just that it is outside the reach of most people at these prices.
GeoFlute is on sale at 9.99 until March 25.
Hello evrybody, I'm new in this forum. I've released some videos about GeoShred Pro that Moforte send me to test.
GeoShred is a fantastic new kind of instruments. I put a link of some videos:
1: GeoViolins Review
2: GeoViolins LIVE with GeoShred and Keyboard
3: SWAM Trumpet review
Hope you like.
AGD
Note that we released an update on Monday June 7, 2021 (GeoShred 5.908.2). The most important fixes have to do with:
A number of generous members of this group assisted us with reproducing some of the more difficult to find issues.
As always issues may be reported to us at [email protected]. You will note that under "Menu> Help> Report a problem" you can generate an issue email with a diagnostic report. Giving us context and how to reproduce an issue goes a long way toward generating fixes.
Thanks,
-The GeoShred Team.
Fixes
GeoShred 5.908.2 beaa760b31
GeoShred update including the new instruments
“ GeoSWAM Collection II: Brass, Bass Flute, Pizz Bass and Viola
This collection offers 5 instruments for the price of 4! The collection includes the following 5 GeoSWAM instruments: GeoTrumpet, GeoBassTrombone, GeoBassFlute, GeoPizzBass and GeoViolin.”
Coming up at £12.99 each or £44.99 bundle, don’t know if that is an intro price.
Oh yes, big news here !
Anyone else get a digital artifact of “ringing” when playing a note on the PizzBass?
Sorry, I haven't bought it yet...
However, I can try later tonight if the SWAM Double Bass has this "artifact" when played pizzicato.
By the way, could you tell me if the PizzBass can be played legato, which means : when you 1st tap with one finger then with another finger on the same string while holding the 1st finger, does it play the second note with a new attack or is the second note a prolongation of the 1st one ? I know that GeoShred guitar has the ability to play legato but I don't think GeoSwam has it.
Thanks !
@Paulo164 , just tried on GeoViolin on latest version of GS and get this… I assume it’s the same on PizzBass😂
Is it a misprint that the new collections list GeoViolin in their description instead of the GeoViola that I want?
Yeah, it is a misprint in the app. It should say GeoViola.
Yes, I noticed also this with GeoViolin
Except that GeoViolin is set to be played bowed and there is already legato by default, whereas PizzBass (which I assume is SWAM Double Bass with play mode set on "pizzicato") is set to be played in pizz mode. And I never achieved to have legato while playing in pizz mode with SWAM Double Bass. So my guess is that it's not possible to play legato with PizzBass...
As a workaround, a very fast pitch bend could do the trick but it's not exactly the same.
@Paulo164
This is on an iPhone 8 Plus. Doesn’t seem to be using 3D Touch though:
https://drive.google.com/file/d/1sFDfzF_mII-c4gnUO0mA-AYKr3JWFHlA/view?usp=drivesdk
Yeah, it sounds legato indeed. The notes don’t sound to be rearticulated 😚
Thanks !
From the mailing that we sent out:
Black Friday Specials now until Dec 12, 2021!
GeoSWAM Collection II - Our new collection of 5 instruments: GeoTrumpet, GeoBassTrombone, GeoBassFlute, GeoViola and GeoPizzBass. Normally priced at $59.99USD, Collection II is offered with a special introductory price of $49.99USD, a 33% discount off the individual cost.
**Note that Apple sets the local territory price and may add additional local charges such as VAT, GST.
This is correct and has always been this way. The SWAM models use Legato automatically when detecting overlapping Note On messages with no interleaving Note Off Message. We will eventually implement the same functionality for the Plucked String models and eliminate the Legato button.