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Z3TA+ for iOS released (AB and IAA)

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  • edited February 2014

    I have a lot of synths and use most all of them, I suppose that is partly why this one is so attractive to me given so many bells and whistles on it. That and I have found nothing including Nave or Thor that compares. But as I already said I find myself using them all mostly. Ipolysix sounds pretty sweet also. Artic Pro as mentioned is another I find myself going to, however, because of the size and options of Z3ta+ and the incredible sounds with all of the ossilators and filters ect. I can see myself with a new favorite. I also would like better drum app options mostly at this point. I am not going for drumperfect until I see more of it in use. Doug made a nice video and it sounds good but looks more difficult for a drum app than I am looking for. I would really like something like session drummer or ezdrummer for ios. Hopefully soon.

  • @Yendor - thanks for those links too. I'll check them out :-) (We should all check them out if we have something to report I guess).

  • If I can chip in with a quick observation.

    I had never heard of Z3TA before it was released on iOS and therefore have no preconceptions. I don't know if it sounds dated, old fashioned or otherwise. All I have is a fantastic and exciting new tool to tweak and use. And all for a paltry $20. How much is the desktop version? Hundreds of $$$$$ I believe.

    What's to complain about? No PC needed and no expensive host. How good is it to have this piece of software in my hands? Freaking brilliant.

  • Agreed. I primarily make non synth based music, so programming synths is more a fun thing for me. I'm sure I'll get z3ta eventually, it's not expensive in the overall scheme. From the clips I've heard it sounds great.

    My primary synth need is synth bass for my wedding bands, which is already well covered between my xio and iSEM, so anything else right now is just a fun thing to have. Too many of those and no focus for me. I know I'll get it at some point though.

  • Thanks Tritonman2 for putting that Zetaficated link.

    Much of that video does sound 'dated' (think Axel) and is exactly the sound I really like to remember from my youth (pre-Foley). So I've just bought it - I'll see if I can create a few Kitaro sounds.

  • Just spent the last two hours with Z3TA+, BeatMaker 2, Cube, and IAA. Not good news.

    1: it looks like CW only tested the IAA use case of live keyboard playing the Z3TA+ and recording the resulting audio in BM2.

    2: more, did this with Z3TA+ as the only synth

    3: so when I play kbd into Cube, Z3TA_ also plays. At least you can mute it in BM2.

    4: if I record the kbd as a second MIDI track for Z3TA+, the synth does not play when playing back that track. Cube does work here as expected. Also see the notes light up on the QuNexus (nice feature that:). And Z3TA+ also does not respond to the Cube MIDI from BM2 (see #6).

    5: I think the lack of Z3TA+ MIDI playback from BM2 is because BM2 messed up their Virtual MIDI Output and do not actually send it any MIDI. BM2 expects you to select the destinations in its MIDI setup panel. Which means every dest sees every MIDI track. Unnecessary CPU load, that. Also means OMNI only Apps really mess up (assuming their VM inputs work).

    6: but that doesn't work here either because Z messed up their Virtual MIDI In port.

    7: Hence BM2 cannot sequence Z3TA+ using MIDI. FreEWI may work but badly because we're dealing with a promiscuous OMNI device, and that might cause MIDI loops. These crash the iPad. Somebody braver than I might like to try it.

    As I understand IAA, the API set provides three paths, Audio from Host to Insert, Audio from Insert back to Host, and MIDI from Host to Insert. But not back. I believe the intention is for hosts to use that path instead of the standard VM or CM paths to drive the insert thingie. And for the insert to listen to only that. None of these tested appear to implement the Host -> Insert MIDI path. Or at least BM2 does not.

    So if you are OK with one at a time tracking the Z with no other CM or VM sources playing, and muting the Z all other times, you might be OK. The other synths BM2 is playing via MIDI should not light up the Z because of these issues.

    If everybody used Audionic's MidiBus SDK these issues would all go away. Instead many seem to be using incomplete toy example CM code. I know from bitter experience we SDK writers had damn well better make our demo code complete because it is certain our users will just copy as is into their Apps. And then things like this happen. MIDI is not a necessary Evil. It is a necessary Feature.

  • edited February 2014

    For me, the beauty of this synth is that I had never used it before or know of any particular song that it was used on. So it's like a brand new synth. I play what I like and I don't try to imitate what has been done before. Saying it is dated is like saying a Moog is dated or a Strat is dated. With musical instruments it is how you use them. Synth music is not my thing but I use synth sounds in my guitar-fronted tracks and some of the sounds in Z3ta absolutely complements my music. Nothing is dated or everything is dated! Like a great chef, it is how use the ingredients that will make that sauce tasty or hot hot hot. £13.99 for a classic soft synth is a no brainer. If you can afford it, buy it!

  • btw, can't get onto the CW system because a failure in my email system lost their validation message, and they have no way of requesting a resend. If anybody would like to verify my findings and report on I would be very happy.

    But really, do verify.
    I may have a lot of MIDI experience but I can miss things. Especially I can miss others idea of where to put configuration options that might fix the problems I am having. Ever since trying to network Windows 3.11 I've lived by the phrase "anything that can be configured must be configured".

    Meanwhile Z3 is a damn fine performance / jamming synth on a dedicated iPad. I can use it for that.

  • @dwarman said:
    And for the insert to listen to only that. None of these tested appear to implement the Host -> Insert MIDI path. Or at least BM2 does not.

    Thanks for all the info!

    I believe Mobile Seq does this. In BM I do not miss it, as midi clips can be assigned to channels and audio from inset can be recorded. It is a real pity that Z3TA has so poor midi and is hard to integrate into workflow.

  • @dwarman said:

    Meanwhile Z3 is a damn fine performance / jamming synth on a dedicated iPad. I can use it for that.

    Yes it does sound and work great live or even recording into a daw like cubasis ect. . The midi sync with cubasis drum tracks is not very good but straight up playing sounds great however. I could not get it to work with Geo Synth. I will try it with Step Poly Arp later. Which is useful if it works out.

  • Thanks for all the midi info @dwarman. Now that everyone has had a few days.. Any of that midi feedback for Cubasis?

    If you have z3ta running on an IAA midi track in Cubasis, and other midi tracks going out to other synths via virtual midi port ... Will the z3ta receive those notes and play?

    Someone has to have tried this, no? ... It's my 3rd time asking! ;)

    Thanks :)

  • Not tried it.

  • razraz
    edited February 2014

    @skoptic this works: Cubasis IAA to Zeta with no MIDI out + Cubasis MIDI out to Animoog ch 1 => both synths play their respective notes.

    Edit: in fact from a usability POV IAA and Cubasis are the only thing that can compare to the joy of using Gadget. Once it gets automation it should be the obvious choice against BM2.

  • Cool - thanks loads @raz :) didn't want to go for it if I couldn't have it playing along nice in a track :)

  • @Tritonman2 - may work mostly, but I would expect the Z3 to be playing the direct keyboard notes as well as the SPA output, since it grabs all ports. May or may not be an issue depending on material.

  • step poly indeed plays nicely with z3 which is going to come in very handy.

  • Hi, @Tritonman2, where do the drums come from?

  • edited February 2014

    huh? I think you are talking about my response to mmp as best as I can tell.
    Those drums?

  • @Tritonman2 Yeah I see what you mean and it's the same for me. Unfortunately I don't see anything better on the horizon, and Drumperfect might come closest. Will have to see more of it when when it comes out.

    There was some talk about an app by Derek Buddemeyer and Blue Mangoo three or four months ago, but that seems to have died down (and normally Derek is quite forthcoming about announcing his projects). I hope there may be a surprise ahead.

  • @Tritonman2 said:

    huh? I think you are talking about my response to mmp as best as I can tell.
    Those drums?

    Emmmm...the drums I can hear from your video...aren't drums?

  • edited February 2014

    I think it sys in the video but it is not my video. It says they are samples from session drummer 3.

  • Ok, thanks. It was a magic moment when the the drums come in.

  • A little hard to pinpoint the overall consensus with this release. Some are shouting from the rooftops singing its praise, while others have very valid gripes against it's implementation in the touch based world, on a few fronts. I'd be interested to see a graph of the love/hate on this one.

  • Thanks @mgmg4871 @Tritonman2 @fjcblanco and the rest of you guys I really enjoyed making
    that track with Z3TA+.

    I'm trying not to admit it,but this just and only just,might be the the best synth on the Ipad yet.
    It really does lend itself to being Multitouched.

  • OK I've been using it since it came out and although it has some great features and sounds I just don't get that Wow that's amazing feeling I get with synths like Animoog or Nave or Sunrizer.
    And to have that potentially awesome arpeggiator and not being able to edit or create with it is a total fail.That and the lack of a more useable midi implementation is really disappointing.Hopefully Cakewalk will listen to its users and make this the great synth that it should be!

  • edited February 2014

    You can edit the arps by including your midis I think and it has like 300 patterns with it that can be varied in several ways unlike many other synths in comparrison the arps are quite varied and numerous. Most synths are very limited in comparison just to be honest about that aspect is all.
    The midi end does need an update I must concur but again to be fair and honest about it not many ios releases get it all right on release date and require updates.

  • edited February 2014

    Adding arps by adding midi seems laborious to me, usually I want an arp when I'm being lazy and don't want to create the midi in my daw! ;)

    (But I get that it means unlimited arp options......)

  • Yes many arps in comparison to other synths but unlimited might be stretching it hehehhe.

  • My fav iOS synth together with Alchemy.

    Give it a "Bass boost" with AUFX:PEAKQ, and it's simply incredible!

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