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Yeah gonna pass on this until they decide to allow on screen editing of notes in the arpeggiator. Unbelievable that they could neglect something that seems tailor made for a touch device. Note sure why Cakewalk thought they needed to stick with the design of the VST version 100%, but I guess they aren't really known for their innovation - such a shame.
@eyedol47 said:
I had not heard of any update such as that. I love this synth already so that is going to just make it better when they do I agree.
@raz what model iPad are you using? I have iPad 3, and Cubasis to Z3TA using IAA (Midi or audio) are far from satisfactory - and I would say bordering on unusable. Using AB is better, however still get a lot of audio drop outs, and seems too hit the limits way too easily.
Get somewhat better results with AB and Loopy, or IAA and Garageband, however prefer the workflow provided with Cubasis, do that fact that they perform so poorly together is a real disappointment. Its a pity, as the sounds are great and notwithstanding the polyphony limit are on par with the desktop version.
Cubasis will limit your frame rate to 512 and is 256 at default which will cause dropouts on some patches I found on an old ipad mini . Swittching from the default 256 to the 512 rate lets most of Z3Ta+ patches run smooth. Audiobus also will limit you to the same frame rates.
@Tritonman2, thanks for the suggestion - however have tested both @ 512 rate, and still get unsatisfactory results. Also tried the usual such as killing all excess apps, putting in Airplane mode, and turning off effects in Z3TA. Open to further suggestions, however this app just seems to have more than its fair share of limits.
@Tritonman2 said:
I think you are mistaking someone's wishful thinking for actual fact. Tho I agree that would be a great feature. You can see how rumors get started....
Again it is not the App limiting you actually. It is the frame rate you are working with. It works fine at 512 even on the old ipad mini.
@Zymos. perhaps that is it, I had thought that he knew this feature was coming when he stated he was waiting until they made the change. I did not realized that it was more of a quid pro quo statement on his part.
@mach5 iPad mini gen 1. I first kill both Cubasis and Zeta, then start Cubasis first and then add Zeta. I set the rate to 512, sometimes bypass effects, adjust the precision.
Are you sending some complicated MIDI or it also fails just when playing the keys?
@mach5 How much free space do you have on your device. Less than 3.5 gig will yield poor performance.
The arp really is a missed opportunity. Hundreds of numbered presets in no particular order- maybe you'll stumble across the perfect one. By being able to scroll in only one direction. Or going back to the menu time after time. Then if you find one that is ALMOST what you want, you'd want to even just move one step, but too bad, you can't.
As far as wishful thinking goes, I'd also love another tab that shows a graphical representation of the whole patch, like an overview. You could see at a glance how many oscillators are active, which LFOs are going to where. Little icons for each, that you could tap and it would take you right back to the editing screen for that particular element.
Realistically, I expect them to tighten up the MIDI implementation, but not necessarily to add features that are not found in the VST. But we can always wish....
@mgmg4871 - Hi - what's your reasoning for the 3.5GB number? Curious. Is this just with Z3TA+ or are you suggesting this is generally a good idea? If so - what underlies that? Genuinely want to know in case I should free some stuff up. I tend to keep about 2GB free normally.
@klrouw01 said:
Maybe you need some minimum number of user presets saved before the folder is "permanently" visible? I've now saved half a dozen, and now User presets is always visible, without needing to go to the recent files to make it show up. iPad2 btw, but I'm doubting that is relevant- does seem like a bug....
StepPolyArp, Genome, Thesys, just to name a few. Forget about the arp in Z3TA+.
@MusicInclusive I have a ipad2, and have tested probably every angle to get maximum performance. If I go below that 3.5 gig number, by a half gig or so, I get noticeable audio glitches. I test this with one app for consistency. I chose Cubasis, and used the Micrologue synth. I try to stay at 4 gig for safety, and yes it is generally a good idea.
@mgmg4871 - so empirical. Hmmm. OK. Well, I might have to - oh no - delete something and try that out! :-) See if anything works better. What to delete? … Hmmm…. So many apps - so little space...
I know. I had to do it, so I started with the top memory hogs. Sampletank lost unfortunately. I'm down to choosing one daw, so I might reload it.
I do recall that Steinberg said this 3.5 GB of free space is important for Cubasis
@yowza - interesting. I'll check that out too. Thx. I do use Cubasis and hadn't spotted that suggestion. So, what to lose…. Hmmm…
@MusicInclusive It was actually a Steinberg recommendation to keep at least 3GB free for Cubasis to use. It was on the Cubasis forums at the Steinberg website. :-)
@Audiojunkie - Hi - I searched the forums but did not see that specific recommendation. Do you have a link to the thread?
http://www.steinberg.net/forums/viewtopic.php?f=183&t=53869
Don't read too much into that number. I mean, a filled NAND storage is a bit like a fragmented hard-drive, if that's what Stenberg meant. And iOS/apps needs space to cache various crap. But keeping it all tight and clean on a lets say 16 GB device, and be under 3.5 GB shouldn't cause such major performance issues, if any at all? Is this isolated to Cubasis? I can understand streaming 48 stereo audio tracks simultaneously from the NAND in Auria might cause issues here if the NAND is filled to the brink with stuff
@DaveMagoo - Thank you! I was looking for a specific GB number - but I see it's 20% free recommended. Appr. I also note that some said that even with 25% free they were getting problems still. Haven't noticed it myself but I may not have been pushing it as hard. I typically try to keep about 2GB free on a 16GB device but I may try and free up some more anyway.
I have 8.5GB free and getting audio drops even at 512 rate, so absolute space does not seem to be the issue. Fragmented storage is a good point. Short of backing up, initialising and restoring the iPad, does anyone know of any defrag tools?
Hey! I heard Cakewalk released an iOS version of one of their VSTs last week.... ;-)
Ipad air here and no audio issues
@mach5 said:
The NAND don't actually get fragmented as such, it's more that a filled NAND will/might exhibit the same behavior as a fragmented hard-disk (at least that's my understanding).
But what you can do, if space is an issue, is to trigger the iOS built in clean-up system, which will flush all apps temp caches and whatever else that's not needed. I've used apps like iDelete, iCleaner which does the job. What they do (if they are still allowed on the AppStore by Apple) is filling up the NAND with gibberish until there's no more space left. iOS then kicks in and cleans up all crap all over. Might be a few hundred MBs or a few GBs depending (leave your device alone until it's completely done).
Wow! I go do my searching, and come back and find that everyone already answered! :-)
Well, I'm STILL going to post what I found, since I had to work to find it!!! Hahaha!
http://www.steinberg.net/forums/viewtopic.php?f=183&t=53869&sid=9116ae3d313fb7f43a481e9acadc7719
"- Make sure there are several GB (ideally more than 20%) of free disk space available. Disk performance is reduced if the disk space is close to full."
http://www.steinberg.net/forums/viewtopic.php?f=183&t=47512
"...while testing various Ipads with all sorts of settings, we've experienced some issues once your disk has not enough free space. Even if there's 2 Gigs left, this could not be enough.
*** Note that for a 16GB drive, 20% free space would be 3.2 GB. For a 32GB drive, 6.4GB is 20%. A 64GB drive would need 12.8GB, and a 128GB drive would need 25.6GB free according to the 20% rule.***
@Audiojunkie, ran the "Performance Test Mobile" app by Passmark referenced in http://www.steinberg.net/forums/viewtopic.php?f=183&t=47512 post and get following results for Disk Performance:
Disk Storage - Write is 33.9MB/s and - Read is 81.2MB/s.
Anyone have any comparative benchmarks?