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So, about this coronavirus...
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@MonzoPro Forsooth. It’s the same thing going on in my country, Australia.
I read the Pianoworld forum. Every time anything slightly political is mentioned there is immediately an authoritarian like clamp down on the poster. I always get the image of a guy with a large German shepherd and a flashlight shining a light on the suspect. I am glad this forum can stretch once in a while to allow people to express themselves in any way they wish as long as it is not overtly inflammatory. We have proved in the past that we do civil conversation very well here.
I personally believe there is room here for proportionate discussion of anything and that it gives a more human, foible-full feeling, to this forum. Music is about feelings and feelings are full spectrum. No one will deny this is primarily a tech platform. But, like vitamin D, a mere 600 units a day avoids a deficiency. As I have seen on Pianoworld, that deficiency creates a restrictiveness that feels oppressive (for me) and is as narrow minded as any extreme position that may be expressed by an individual on a political theme. I personally prefer some potential messiness as opposed to a dogmatic exclusivity of what can and cannot be expressed.
“A foolish Consistency is the hobgoblin of small minds” - Ralph Waldo Emerson
TLDR for peace!
While I’m all for freedom of speech and wouldn’t want anyone to be silenced or any topic to be forbidden, I politely disagree that political discussion on here has turned out well. Have at it I say, but I know of many a person that has left here because of the nasty side shown during political discussions. But yeah, that’s life and it’s often better to express than be told you can’t - long term it’s less problematic than being policed by the offence police.
I have much to say politically. I choose to do it elsewhere, because I come here for types of conversation. We should be able to say anything, not all of us can and that is indeed sad. It also has to be remembered that just because you can express your opinion, sometimes there are times not to - think of what it would be like if we all acted upon all the thoughts we have: kind of awful. It’s the same with words, sometimes it’s just better to not say everything everywhere to everyone.
I’ve stopped looking now. I know roughly what I can do to reduce any risks. Yeah I’ve been a nurse, but I don’t need to have done my nurses training to have some common sense. But one thing I did learn from my nursing studies - most of what we follow as good practice is just people’s best guesses. People talk about facts, but yesterdays facts often become less than myths. Much of medicine over the years has been based on theory then trial and error - I doubt how we cope with this will be any different. Yes, knowledge is power, but the truths will be harder distinguished from use of the internet or listening to the mainstream media.
Best practice is be aware of what is being said, but temper ones own actions with caution until you can better re-evaluate. I’m sure over time we will come to deal with these situations better as a race, because as our numbers expand, we are bound to have many new ones to deal with. Nothing much changes really, as change is the one big definitive truth - however much we try to box everything neatly and control all we purvey, the less things we understand and the more control we lose.
Bañana - the banana that never comes.
The first link is a possible explanation of some of the anomaly’s of this virus.
You called out the entire Republican Party (you know that’s what the GOP is right?) and went on a diatribe about all of the supporters of the president (you know that’s more than 60 million people, right?).
I love when libs try to lecture me on conservatism.
By the way, you suggesting that Gods will is to turn people against Trump by allowing a virus to spiral out of control, are the words of a fool, absolutely disgusting and insulting.
Hallelujah, says the guy with gun in one hand, bible in the other!
This is a very interesting discussion, but there's one party here who has no interest in debate. He wants only to disagree with anyone he sees is not on his "team." Don't feed the troll.
For the record, @LinearLineman may be many things, but he is certainly not a fool!
One point further: Those who argue against climate change and human rights, for example, know that their position is untenable. They have only one goal: to get the debate shut down.
Let's keep civil.
@robertreynolds, any ref to god is facetious as I don’t believe in a personal god that looks down upon us. You should know me better by now. You criticize my understanding of conservatism but you don’t deny what I say is true. That’s called pivoting, I believe.
Thanks @ExAsperis99. Mr. Reynolds resorts to ad hominem attacks out of defensiveness and can always be counted on to be threatened by the opinions of those who disagree with him. I reserve my name calling for his cult leader who continually inspires me to debase myself in new and unexpected ways.
I don’t think it’s a place for starting political threads for the sake of it, but it shouldn’t be censored or trashed (you know who you are) when it’s relevant to a discussion.
Brexit, for example, affects many of us on here in different ways, as consumers, musicians and socially.
Freedom of movement will be more limited, which will affect touring bands and musicians who’ll need visas. Prices will rise - software, hardware, and generally - meaning less money to spend on apps. Damaged trade deals and clogged ports making the movement of goods and people difficult. Etc.
All this stuff is relevant. So when a discussion touches app pricing, for example, the fallout from Brexit will affect the budgets of UK consumers.
You can’t just ignore this stuff. It’s intertwined with what we do.
Though saying all that, who knows what will happen with this shitty virus thing we have now.
it’s code for daily mail reader, being the ones that spawned the phrase and all that.
@MonzoPro said:
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Well said. + another 1.
You can’t have freedom of speech where any opinion that doesn’t fit nicely within a select discourse is the only discourse considered appropriate.
People who genuinely believe in their opinions are not aiming to shut down debate. You of course get trolls who just want to piss people off and mostly will use any opinion to that aim, but it’s cheap to put every person who disagrees within the same box.
Actually I wouldn't mind to get corona quarantined at home with my ipad and the all music apps for two whole weeks..
I wouldn’t bet on two weeks, that would be for viruses that fit the norm, this it appears from emerging evidence is certainly not the norm.
Hmmmm.... ...with all the hype/angst, employers may not even require a doctor's note.
In fact, think my bubonic may be acting up. carf carf
I live in Vietnam, one of the first countries to get the virus outside of China, and to my knowledge the only country to be declared virus free with all patients cured.
Authorities are super strict here, and anybody showing the slightest symptoms are immediately placed in home quarantine for two weeks.
That time could be well spent with the ipad and the music apps, as i very often wish i had more time to use all the cool stuff.
Cheers for not being clear in my previous post.
“ Boris Johnson has been accused of shirking responsibility after it emerged he will not hold an emergency Cobra meeting on the coronavirus outbreak until Monday and is spending the weekend at his country retreat, Chequers.”
Says it all.
Yes, we can finally finish all those songs that are not finished!
Hmmm two weeks... 8 hours sleep per night, ...works out to about 20 min a track. I'm in!
This is what I said:
You’d think this situation would concern the GOP’s who have so far co-signed every awful idea Donald Trump has. The man discounts science and fact to a startling degree and his supporters parrot his ignorance.
I didn't attack conservatives, I called out Trump & Trump supporters within the GOP/Republican party. As much as he'd like to gloat about it being so, Trump is NOT the Republican party, especially the party of pre 2015. And Trump is not a Conservative of the classic description or in the tradition of even the last GOP President.
My issue is with Trump and those who dismiss all logic, fact, truth and justice to support the sociopathic narcissist.
I have no compunction telling ANY Trump supporter my feelings to their face, and as my post said I do so regularly to the Trump supporters in my own family & personal orbit.
If you're going to tell ME what I said make sure your facts are straight. They still matter to IQ80+'s...
Yes, it is worse than the flu.....
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/feb/28/coronavirus-truth-myths-flu-covid-19-face-masks
The bit that worries me (not in that article), is the reinfection thing.
So you might be healthy and fight off your first dose, but it’ll leave you weakened and less able to fight it off a second time. Or a third...
Please don't make this thread about Drambo.